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The Avengers dvd set 3 (series 4) from Optimum
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not sure if its a fault or not with my copy of Man-Eater Of Surrey Green but there is something strange. During the sequence when Mercers truck is being unloaded, as soon as Lennox appears through the bushes the "hypnotising music" cuts out and is replaced by another piece before returning back to the original. I've checked on my old Contender set and its not like that on there so I was just wondering if anybody else may have noticed it on theres or if mine is an isolated case. Both pieces of music fit so it seems really bizarre, mystery!


I just checked my DVD and it's there as well. I never bought the earlier DVD releases and I sold my Lumiere VHS tapes ages ago, so I have nothing to compare it to... But you're right, this is odd...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eleganceandthickcurtains wrote:
norw27 wrote:
Not sure if its a fault or not with my copy of Man-Eater Of Surrey Green but there is something strange. During the sequence when Mercers truck is being unloaded, as soon as Lennox appears through the bushes the "hypnotising music" cuts out and is replaced by another piece before returning back to the original. I've checked on my old Contender set and its not like that on there so I was just wondering if anybody else may have noticed it on theres or if mine is an isolated case. Both pieces of music fit so it seems really bizarre, mystery!


I just checked my DVD and it's there as well. I never bought the earlier DVD releases and I sold my Lumiere VHS tapes ages ago, so I have nothing to compare it to... But you're right, this is odd...


Well, my A & E copy does just that but there's nothing odd about it. Unless it's something completely different you're experiencing. Wish we could compare copies by listening.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it is strange as its either a fault on my disc, or for some reason there are two versions of this scene with differing soundtracks.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

norw27 wrote:
Well it is strange as its either a fault on my disc, or for some reason there are two versions of this scene with differing soundtracks.


DVDs will be identical. This is not a fault - but it is obviously a pointer that variant soundtracks exist.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know its not a fault, but why would there be variant soundtracks? Its literally just a snippet of music thats been edited. Would that mean that the Contender version is an earlier cut of the episode do you think?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

norw27 wrote:
Good to know its not a fault, but why would there be variant soundtracks? Its literally just a snippet of music thats been edited. Would that mean that the Contender version is an earlier cut of the episode do you think?


On a couple of Dr Who vhs releases they couldnt get clearance for some music, so they substituted it for something similar.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't a modern substitution before anyone goes down that path. Being a British film series, all music in The Avengers is covered by the original contracts between ABPC and the rights oweners and it is not necessary to re-negotiate for home video.

The music licensed for BBC and ITV videotaped programmes were usually agreed at a cheaper rate to cover a certain number of broadcasts and overseas sales, but those making television programmes on film were far more canny with regards their contracts. This is why it is not a problem (and has never been a problem) having Beatles music in The Prisoner. The rights (synchronous with the programme images) are already bought out in perpetuity. Expensive in the first instance and lucrative (back then) for the music rights holders, but a good piece of business in the long term for the moguls at ABPC and ITC among others.

This is clearly an instance where two versions of the soundtrack exist and up until now, it's not been noticed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
This isn't a modern substitution before anyone goes down that path.


I would NEVER go down that path!

Alan wrote:
This is clearly an instance where two versions of the soundtrack exist and up until now, it's not been noticed.


Unless he's made it up! Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless he's made it up!


What!?! Shocked Haha no I haven't made it up. It is a teeny tiny bit of music but for some reason just stuck out to me as unfamiliar. Now paying close attention to the music on others in case there are similar instances. I'm glad I haven't disposed of my old Contender sets so I can compare.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cariheart wrote:
eleganceandthickcurtains wrote:
norw27 wrote:
Not sure if its a fault or not with my copy of Man-Eater Of Surrey Green but there is something strange. During the sequence when Mercers truck is being unloaded, as soon as Lennox appears through the bushes the "hypnotising music" cuts out and is replaced by another piece before returning back to the original. I've checked on my old Contender set and its not like that on there so I was just wondering if anybody else may have noticed it on theres or if mine is an isolated case. Both pieces of music fit so it seems really bizarre, mystery!


I just checked my DVD and it's there as well. I never bought the earlier DVD releases and I sold my Lumiere VHS tapes ages ago, so I have nothing to compare it to... But you're right, this is odd...


Well, my A & E copy does just that but there's nothing odd about it. Unless it's something completely different you're experiencing. Wish we could compare copies by listening.


I've just compared the A&E set with the Optimum and you're right, it is markedly different.
The A&E/Contedner sets play a whirring FX to indicate Lennox being a conduit of the mind-control while the hypnotic music continues underneath.
The Optimum set cuts to a dramatic crescendo and short piece of strong chords then returns to the hypnotic music. The picture quality of the new set blows my mind though!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could be that there was a problem in the source used (negative), so the tech doing the remaster covered it up using a piece of music from another part of the episode.

When faced with a problem, techs don't think twice. They just cover it up.

A sound tech doing the HD masters at Studio Canal once told me that several tweaks were made to many movies because of the state the material is in, especially older films. It can means shaving off nano seconds from the end of a shot just to zap negative damage, and covering it up audio wise, or worse.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seventeen wrote:
It could be that there was a problem in the source used (negative), so the tech doing the remaster covered it up using a piece of music from another part of the episode.

When faced with a problem, techs don't think twice. They just cover it up.

A sound tech doing the HD masters at Studio Canal once told me that several tweaks were made to many movies because of the state the material is in, especially older films. It can means shaving off nano seconds from the end of a shot just to zap negative damage, and covering it up audio wise, or worse.


I don't think that's the case here, because the new sets have longer running times than previous releases because the previous releases did that - especially with the Cathy episodes. I didn't notice any variation visually, just this different audio track. It's not out of place, just different to what I'd heard before - more dramatic, in a way - so the alternate soundtrack theory seems valid.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just listened to the commentaries on Town of No Return and Hour that Never Was. The first was very good and informative with Brian and Roy bouncing off each other quite well. Hour was fairly interesting with some good insight into the episode but is an absolute must for Professionals fans as he gives some great insight onto that show.

Watched the reconstruction of Kill the King, well done the team for that. Boy it appears we've lost an absolute gem in that one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching The House That Jack Built today and I have noticed this with most of the episodes. At the start of every scene there is a slight flicker at the top of the screen, it can be quite distracting. But the picture quality otherwise is very good.
Has anyone else noticed this? is it just with my set?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I've noticed it too, you end up looking out for the flicker as each scene shifts - very distracting!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the A&E Cathy Gale episodes had flickering white dots at the top, in the overscan area. I don't know if it's a DVD mastering issue or on the videotape.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the nearly every scene flicker has been fixed on the series 4 optimum UK boxset or if someone could say they dont know what Im moaning about! or if is on the source material.
Closer inspection on the TV the picture looks distorted at the top half of the picture on the 1st frame of a new scene.
I have series 4 episodes recorded from BBC FOUR and they dont have this flickering.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, it could be just your set, maybe compatibility issues between it and a single make of player. Have you tried it on other players?

No-one else has reported this flicker as far as I know from months of reading various forums/fora. The only problems with the series 4 set were sound-synch on "The Grave-Diggers" and a bit of blocky encoding on the "Missing Corpse" short film, and they've both been fixed.

Do you watch on a computer monitor or a television? The former may show more picture at the top of the screen (overscan).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have tried on sony widescreen tv and sony dvd player Frankymole, also have tried it on a computer external freecom dvd writer.

Just looked on the inner ring on the playing side and noticed a scratch all the way round so I think it is just my set.
Do you think I could return it for replacement?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike654 wrote:
Do you think I could return it for replacement?
You probably can, at least under UK laws (the items has to be fit for purpose for 12 months after purchase); your contract is with the vendor, rather than the manufacturer/wholesaler, so best to approach the retailer you bought it from. Even if they have a returns policy, the trading laws will still cover you. I don't know how it operates outside the UK though, so it depends where you are.
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