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Timeless A-Peel
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| Frankymole wrote: | | Dandy Forsdyke wrote: | I recoloured the pic above but it's not come out that well. In spite of the nearby window there's a shadow on his face and arm which creates a problem with the skin tone.
I've uploaded it onto my website but I might take it down in time as it's irritating me -  !!
How can you wear anything in bed? I'd feel like I was suffocating! |
I used t live with an Austrian who kept the windows open in the depths of winter. I'd regularly wake up in the morning with ice in my eyebrows. Still, in these days of duvets with high tog ratings it is a bit old-fashioned to wear a t-shirt or cotton top in bed I suppose 
As to Ian Hendry's drinking, it does tend to dominate discussions about him which in some ways is a shame, it overshadows his good work is well worth watching. That's why I was so pleased to see "The Girl on the Trapeze" especially in its restored quality (I had deliberately avoided watching it in its earlier forms or on the net).
He was a smoker too - I don't know when Patrick Macnee gave up cigarettes but that must have contributed to his better health as well. Sadly for that generation (and earlier) smoking was de rigeur - I wish I could persuade my parents to give up, but it's probably too late now. |
It is indeed a shame, especially since he was such a good actor. From the few season one episodes we have, I get the sense he could easily have turned out to be one of my favourite Avengers characters. As it is, the show owed him a great deal on the creativity front in terms of giving it the push it needed.
I think Patrick may have given up smoking by TNA, but before that he had that rollercoaster pattern going on--when he was working, and things were going well, he'd quit; when he wasn't working, and the bank balance got worrying, he'd start up again. Repeat for the duration of the sixties.
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| Frankymole wrote: | | Dandy Forsdyke wrote: | I recoloured the pic above but it's not come out that well. In spite of the nearby window there's a shadow on his face and arm which creates a problem with the skin tone.
I've uploaded it onto my website but I might take it down in time as it's irritating me - !!
How can you wear anything in bed? I'd feel like I was suffocating! |
I used t live with an Austrian who kept the windows open in the depths of winter. I'd regularly wake up in the morning with ice in my eyebrows. Still, in these days of duvets with high tog ratings it is a bit old-fashioned to wear a t-shirt or cotton top in bed I suppose
As to Ian Hendry's drinking, it does tend to dominate discussions about him which in some ways is a shame, it overshadows his good work is well worth watching. That's why I was so pleased to see "The Girl on the Trapeze" especially in its restored quality (I had deliberately avoided watching it in its earlier forms or on the net).
He was a smoker too - I don't know when Patrick Macnee gave up cigarettes but that must have contributed to his better health as well. Sadly for that generation (and earlier) smoking was de rigeur - I wish I could persuade my parents to give up, but it's probably too late now. |
It's never too late to give up the drink of the demon and satan's cigarettes, both life-shorteners. |
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Dandy Forsdyke
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| Frankymole wrote: | As to Ian Hendry's drinking, it does tend to dominate discussions about him which in some ways is a shame, it overshadows his good work is well worth watching. That's why I was so pleased to see "The Girl on the Trapeze" especially in its restored quality (I had deliberately avoided watching it in its earlier forms or on the net).
He was a smoker too - I don't know when Patrick Macnee gave up cigarettes but that must have contributed to his better health as well. Sadly for that generation (and earlier) smoking was de rigeur - I wish I could persuade my parents to give up, but it's probably too late now. |
I agree. The irony of the photo I coloured is he has a fag on the go and a drink in his hand. But yes, too much is said about it - we all must make our own choices in life.
And, as I've said before, all actors seem to drink and smoke. Patrick, Honor, Gareth and Linda are/were all ex smokers. Diana and Joanna still indulge.
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| MRotten wrote: | | Frankymole wrote: | | Dandy Forsdyke wrote: | I recoloured the pic above but it's not come out that well. In spite of the nearby window there's a shadow on his face and arm which creates a problem with the skin tone.
I've uploaded it onto my website but I might take it down in time as it's irritating me - !!
How can you wear anything in bed? I'd feel like I was suffocating! |
I used t live with an Austrian who kept the windows open in the depths of winter. I'd regularly wake up in the morning with ice in my eyebrows. Still, in these days of duvets with high tog ratings it is a bit old-fashioned to wear a t-shirt or cotton top in bed I suppose
As to Ian Hendry's drinking, it does tend to dominate discussions about him which in some ways is a shame, it overshadows his good work is well worth watching. That's why I was so pleased to see "The Girl on the Trapeze" especially in its restored quality (I had deliberately avoided watching it in its earlier forms or on the net).
He was a smoker too - I don't know when Patrick Macnee gave up cigarettes but that must have contributed to his better health as well. Sadly for that generation (and earlier) smoking was de rigeur - I wish I could persuade my parents to give up, but it's probably too late now. |
It's never too late to give up the drink of the demon and satan's cigarettes, both life-shorteners. |
why ? if you actually enjoy doing one or both, and it does not cause you
problems BESIDES health issues , why quit ? myself, I do both, not a lot, but i certainly ENJOY smoking my cigars..and have no plans to quit.
on the flip, if it's a giant health or personal issue, then quitting might be
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DiVicenzo
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Well, in 2010 alone I know of four people who died due to smoking cigarettes - one was my Mother who was only 73 and would still be alive today if she had allowed the hospital to amputate her leg (her husband died exactly the same way a few years ago after 20 + years of agony - in the end he had a leg and a finger amputated and shrivelled up into a little gremlin) ....another was my ex-sister-in-law in her late 40's who just missed the birth of her first grandchild; another in his forties was the ex-boyfriend of my sister and someone with whom I used to work with many moons ago in Tenerife was the same age as me (55)...,so, I am glad I am not a smoker even though all my family (and it's a big family!) smoke like chimneys; now I drink.....that's my one and only vice and I have the belly to prove it....
Thank goodness, I never knew Diana Rigg smoked when I was a kid...I blame my drinking on The Avengers and 007 though |
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MRotten
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| I know smoking cigs and drinking booze are popular pasttimes in Britain, but they DO create health problems eventually. The toxins will do damage to the body. Premature wrinkles, bad breath, stinky clothes, lingering hangovers. Not pretty. I think of Allan Clarke, original lead singer of The Hollies. He smoked for years and finally he lost his singing voice. Now his voice is little more than a croak. |
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Mona
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| MRotten wrote: | | I know smoking cigs and drinking booze are popular pasttimes in Britain, but they DO create health problems eventually. The toxins will do damage to the body. Premature wrinkles, bad breath, stinky clothes, lingering hangovers. Not pretty. |
Well, I'm a physician, so, of course, I agree!
However, oddly, genetics (and other factors such as diet, emotional well being, exercise, etc), do play a role as to how quickly, and severely, these effects are seen on individuals. For us Steed fans, we are lucky that Pat seemingly inherited a very strong constitution, giving his history of smoking, drinking and over-eating. He is still hanging on at 89, yay!, and we've sadly lost too many other Avenger folks, like Hendry and Hunt, who all were younger. The pancreatic cancer, to which Hunt succumbed, as well as his previous heart attack, have a high association with alcohol and smoking, and I believe Hunt was a chronic smoker, like the American actor Patrick Swayze, who died of the same disease. It's really all too bad. One cannot really say anything good or positive about tobacco addiction or alcoholism. They have surely wreaked a sad toll on the longevity of our show's actors.
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Timeless A-Peel
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| Mona wrote: | | MRotten wrote: | | I know smoking cigs and drinking booze are popular pasttimes in Britain, but they DO create health problems eventually. The toxins will do damage to the body. Premature wrinkles, bad breath, stinky clothes, lingering hangovers. Not pretty. |
Well, I'm a physician, so, of course, I agree!
However, oddly, genetics (and other factors such as diet, emotional well being, exercise, etc), do play a role as to how quickly, and severely, these effects are seen on individuals. For us Steed fans, we are lucky that Pat seemingly inherited a very strong constitution, giving his history of smoking, drinking and over-eating. He is still hanging on at 89, yay!, and we've sadly lost too many other Avenger folks, like Hendry and Hunt, who all were younger. The pancreatic cancer, to which Hunt succumbed, as well as his previous heart attack, have a high association with alcohol and smoking, and I believe Hunt was a chronic smoker, like the American actor Patrick Swayze, who died of the same disease. It's really all too bad. One cannot really say anything good or positive about tobacco addiction or alcoholism. They have surely wreaked a sad toll on the longevity of our show's actors.
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Ian smoked quite a lot, no question, but I confess I'm puzzled how you know Gareth was a "chronic" smoker. I actually wasn't even certain Gareth did smoke until a couple of years ago, because I couldn't find the pictures the way I could for all the other actors--there are plenty of shots of Patrick, Diana, Joanna, and Linda puffing away on-set, but only one of Gareth. I'm not saying he didn't, but thus far I haven't been able to determine that he smoked much more than anyone else did in the sixties or seventies. His skin certainly hadn't suffered by his thirties, which in my experience is when it tends to catch up with you. Don't know how much he drank, though.
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Mona
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I'm not saying how much he smoked, Timeless, just that he did. I remember reading an article about him 20 years ago where his smoking was referenced; gosh maybe it was even 30 years ago. We only saw Pat with a cigarette in hand during behind the scene production shots, too, so one wouldn't know he smoked nearly 4 packs a day during the sixties.
Again, some bodies handle it better or worse than others. It may or may not have been a factor in his developing pancreatic cancer, but it is associated with that unfortunate condition.
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| Mona wrote: | I'm not saying how much he smoked, Timeless, just that he did. I remember reading an article about him 20 years ago where his smoking was referenced; gosh maybe it was even 30 years ago. We only saw Pat with a cigarette in hand during behind the scene production shots, too, so one wouldn't know he smoked nearly 4 packs a day during the sixties.
Again, some bodies handle it better or worse than others. It may or may not have been a factor in his developing pancreatic cancer, but it is associated with that unfortunate condition.
Mona |
Well, "chronic" would tend to denote pretty heavy smoking. I have to say I've read a lot of Gareth articles in my time, and his smoking was never brought up once (while it was a pretty common feature of pieces on Joanna and Diana). I'd be interested to find that one one day, but I'm sure you can't remember where you saw it now.
Alas, I think pretty much everyone in show business was smoking back then, sadly. Honor had breast cancer a few years back, and I'm sure her smoking didn't help (she's also regretted all the sunbathing, or as she called it, "oiling up and turning over like we were on a spit." One of the worst cases is probably Mike Pratt, who died of lung cancer at 45. Every time I see him light up on screen, I feel as though I'm watching him slowly commit suicide. 
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I think we have Ian Hendry to thank for The Avengers in the first place. ITV chiefs clearly looked upon him as a future star and were keen to capitalise on this. Unfortunately Police Surgeon was the wrong vehicle and flopped. Luckily they persevered based on their faith in him, otherwise we may never have had The Avengers. It may not have been the hard-edged 'buddy' show it was meant to be at the beginning but it was a start for something even better.
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| Timeless A-Peel wrote: | | Frankymole wrote: | | Dandy Forsdyke wrote: | I recoloured the pic above but it's not come out that well. In spite of the nearby window there's a shadow on his face and arm which creates a problem with the skin tone.
I've uploaded it onto my website but I might take it down in time as it's irritating me - !!
How can you wear anything in bed? I'd feel like I was suffocating! |
I used t live with an Austrian who kept the windows open in the depths of winter. I'd regularly wake up in the morning with ice in my eyebrows. Still, in these days of duvets with high tog ratings it is a bit old-fashioned to wear a t-shirt or cotton top in bed I suppose
As to Ian Hendry's drinking, it does tend to dominate discussions about him which in some ways is a shame, it overshadows his good work is well worth watching. That's why I was so pleased to see "The Girl on the Trapeze" especially in its restored quality (I had deliberately avoided watching it in its earlier forms or on the net).
He was a smoker too - I don't know when Patrick Macnee gave up cigarettes but that must have contributed to his better health as well. Sadly for that generation (and earlier) smoking was de rigeur - I wish I could persuade my parents to give up, but it's probably too late now. |
It is indeed a shame, especially since he was such a good actor. From the few season one episodes we have, I get the sense he could easily have turned out to be one of my favourite Avengers characters. As it is, the show owed him a great deal on the creativity front in terms of giving it the push it needed.
I think Patrick may have given up smoking by TNA, but before that he had that rollercoaster pattern going on--when he was working, and things were going well, he'd quit; when he wasn't working, and the bank balance got worrying, he'd start up again. Repeat for the duration of the sixties. |
rollercoaster....hard habit to put aside..trust me. been there. |
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Frankymole
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Hooray! My next episode to watch is "To Catch A Rat", featuring the fine Mr Hendry. Not too far off series 1 now, either... (Alan's reconstructions standing in for some of the missing episodes, of course)...
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I've just finished watching Network's Jason King boxset and was pleasantly surprised to see that Ian Hendry starred in the play, The Crossfire, which is included as a special feature on disc 8. Recorded in 1967, the play is set in Algeria during French colonial rule. (Its connection with Jason King is that it also stars Peter Wyngarde).
Personally I thought it was excellent. It's well worth a look if you've already got the boxset.
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Timeless A-Peel
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| paulpdjh wrote: | I've just finished watching Network's Jason King boxset and was pleasantly surprised to see that Ian Hendry starred in the play, The Crossfire, which is included as a special feature on disc 8. Recorded in 1967, the play is set in Algeria during French colonial rule. (Its connection with Jason King is that it also stars Peter Wyngarde).
Personally I thought it was excellent. It's well worth a look if you've already got the boxset. |
I've got the set, but never watched the play. I shall have to keep it in mind in the future. Thanks for the recommendation. 
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Hey, me too, I got it in Network's sale! When I unwrap it I'll have to give the play a go - probably first. I'm more keen on Hendry than Jason King, which I waited for until it went cheap... Thanks for the tip!
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| Mona wrote: | I'm not saying how much he smoked, Timeless, just that he did. I remember reading an article about him 20 years ago where his smoking was referenced; gosh maybe it was even 30 years ago. We only saw Pat with a cigarette in hand during behind the scene production shots, too, so one wouldn't know he smoked nearly 4 packs a day during the sixties.
Again, some bodies handle it better or worse than others. It may or may not have been a factor in his developing pancreatic cancer, but it is associated with that unfortunate condition.
Mona |
well...a lot of factors play into whether or not..one will get any sort of health issues....family history, breeding stock, drink/smokes.eating habits, stress, and more..why do some people get stuff, and others do not ? luck of the draw, I reckon'... |
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Timeless A-Peel
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It seems someone has written a book about Ian, to come out later this month. I'm quite excited about this, as of all the leads on the show, he's the one I know the least about. It's especially timely as I've been reading all of Alan's "Story in Depth" features of the Keel episodes, and feel as though I've got a better sense of season one than I ever have, and feel the loss of the missing episodes more strongly as a result. I quite honestly think if we had more that Dr. Keel would be one of my favourite characters. So I'm quite looking forward to this, especially since it sounds like it's going to be a more balanced account than the standard "he drank himself to death" sum-up which tends to be what a lot of write-ups focus on.
Here's a link:
http://www.retrosellers.com/frame.htm
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Good find. 
That's a great web site with lots of interesting stuff too.
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| Dandy Forsdyke wrote: | Good find.
That's a great web site with lots of interesting stuff too. |
Thanks! I'm quite thrilled about it. There's this Ian-shaped hole in my Avengers cast knowledge, so I'm hoping this will fill it. (Maybe it'll finally tell me how tall he was--he's the only one of the main cast I don't have a height for and it's bothering me  ).
I didn't have much time to browse around, but the site does look to be packed with all sorts of good stuff. Even the bit on the Ian page has a line in there about a comment from Honor on Ian, so perhaps she was interviewed for it. I'd be really interested to hear anything she had to say about season one, as she's not often asked about it, other than in the oft-repeated, "They still wrote it like they were writing for a man" context. Ian always kind of gets lost in the shuffle in anything written about the show, so it's really refreshing to see someone doing something about him for once.
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