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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: From Bobby Steed Reply with quote

I think we could not only bring it back, but make it in to a Feature Film as well, a sensational one! The Avenger's could take place in our present time. It could be marketed to people who are not familair with The Series and to younge people. Look at James Bond for example, it is timeless and people still flock to The Movies to see the latest Bond Film. I would even venture to say, have Steed driving his vintage Rolls down Regent's Park Road going to pick up his partner be it Emma or Tara. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not make a New Avengers Series on DVD for Avenger Fans. That way it could be marketed directly to this cult group of fans who would probably dig it if it was good and if The Networks saw how sucessful it was in DVD sales they might consider giving it a go on The Air. It sounds a bit way out but I think it would work. If I were a Rich Man! The only thing I could do is a low, low, low budget version that would take place in New York and my poor Emma would unfortunatly have a Brooklyn Accent, yeech! You can dress her up but can't take her out as this Emma is totaly uncooth lol. Bobby Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why not make a New Avengers Series on DVD for Avenger Fans. That way it could be marketed directly to this cult group of fans who would probably dig it if it was good and if The Networks saw how sucessful it was in DVD sales they might consider giving it a go on The Air. It sounds a bit way out but I think it would work. Bobby Laughing



But, Bobby,

As a serious cult fan of the Avengers, I'm a cult fan of Patrick Macnee as John Steed, and his partners. I'm not a cult fan of anyone mimicking his unique and superb characterization of Steed. Macnee IS Steed and I don't want to see any replacement. That's the problem we are discussing here.

I would not buy any DVD without Patrick Macnee in it. Using the radio, I hear a voice as Steed--not Macnee's smooth, gorgeous voice, but a decent male voice--and, I can use my mind to see the characters as they were originally, so that seems the best way to go overall.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mona, I would not want someone mimicing Steed either like he was a cheap imitation, but a good character that we could enjoy, just like there have been many Dr. Who's. I do understand what you mean though as I could never get used to Capt Picard as I am a classic Star Trek Fan. The actor that would play Steed would have to have similarities to him but not copy him entirely. I think The Avenger's will return one day, look at Dr. Who and BattleStar Gallactica. The Series will be done right, right down to Steed's Flat on Dutchess Mews. He will still drive his Classic Rolls and still have a Emma Peel. Will he wear his Bowler? I say yes! Will he wear other types of headwear in fashion? why not. Classic Suits? Yes. Brolly? Yes. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been lots of shows that showed the influence of The Avengers and I think they should stick to that. Just my opinion.

1980s - Moonlighting
1990s - Bugs
2000s - Hustle
2010s - ?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was watching Spooks last night and it struck me it could easily be adapted to a Avengers type program.
Sir Harry = Steed/Mother
Ruth = the brainy bit of Emma
Lucas = Gambit
Beth=Tara/Purdey

It's set in present day London but somehow it seems a bit unreal.
Everyone's a bit too clever.
The technology is a bit futuristic
The plots are far fetched (make them a bit more quirky)
Lose the MI5
Lighten the script
Add a bit more fantasy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I prefer Hustle. It's like four or five talented amateurs. They are con men that don't work for good necessarily but against greed.

Many of the scenes are filmed in a fantasy sequence - black and white, speeded up, slowed down. There are lots of occasions where the characters break the 4th wall and talk or wink to the viewer. It all ends well with a positive feelgood factor.

It has a great opening and memorable theme tune - or it did until they fiddled about with it - and there are recognisable older-Steed/Mother (Robert Vaughn), younger-Steed (Adrian Lester), Gambit (Marc Warren) and Emma/Purdey (Jaime Warren) types.

It's still in production, although it jumped the shark two seasons ago (in my opinion), and is currently filming it 7th series.

Check it out on YouTube for clips.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: From Bobby Steed Reply with quote

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I think we could not only bring it back, but make it in to a Feature Film as well, a sensational one! The Avenger's could take place in our present time. It could be marketed to people who are not familair with The Series and to younge people. Look at James Bond for example, it is timeless and people still flock to The Movies to see the latest Bond Film. I would even venture to say, have Steed driving his vintage Rolls down Regent's Park Road going to pick up his partner be it Emma or Tara. Very Happy


I dunno..you can't improve on something that was great,and clearly an product of it's time..as for Bond, that's a whole different thing..
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: From Bobby Steed Reply with quote

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I think we could not only bring it back, but make it in to a Feature Film as well, a sensational one! The Avenger's could take place in our present time. It could be marketed to people who are not familair with The Series and to younge people. Look at James Bond for example, it is timeless and people still flock to The Movies to see the latest Bond Film. I would even venture to say, have Steed driving his vintage Rolls down Regent's Park Road going to pick up his partner be it Emma or Tara. Very Happy


I dunno..you can't improve on something that was great,and clearly an product of it's time..as for Bond, that's a whole different thing..


The thing is, it doesn't have to be better than the original. It would be great to have more adventures in Avengerland. Provided it was well done and didn't insult my intellegence too much but there's not much point in simply remaking the original. It needs to be different - The New New Avengers perhaps.

Doing a new version with Steed & Emma would be like doing a cover version of a song that sounds exactly like the original. Pointless.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's why I prefer Hustle. It's like four or five talented amateurs. They are con men that don't work for good necessarily but against greed.

Many of the scenes are filmed in a fantasy sequence - black and white, speeded up, slowed down. There are lots of occasions where the characters break the 4th wall and talk or wink to the viewer. It all ends well with a positive feelgood factor.

It has a great opening and memorable theme tune - or it did until they fiddled about with it - and there are recognisable older-Steed/Mother (Robert Vaughn), younger-Steed (Adrian Lester), Gambit (Marc Warren) and Emma/Purdey (Jaime Warren) types.

It's still in production, although it jumped the shark two seasons ago (in my opinion), and is currently filming it 7th series.

Check it out on YouTube for clips.


I see a lot of the Avengers in Hustle as well, at least in the days before they started to play musical cast members. The Mickey/Danny/Stacie dynamic always reminded me of Steed/Gambit/Purdey as well.

But the Avengers is sort of a victim of its own success and influence, to the point that much of what made it original has been done and redone so many times over the years that it wouldn't be novel now. Going forward feels as though there's so little to connect it to the original as to make it pointless to call it the Avengers. Going back to basics and recasting the main roles seems to go against the show's creed of moving forward. It makes it a hard show to bring back.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're correct. There's always that 'thing', isn't there - Doctor Who came back, the Saint came back, Bond came back. There are even two current Sherlock Holmes projects on the go ... why not The Avengers?

The 'thing' is Doctor Who had a history of being regenerated, there were several Saint movies, radio shows, then the series and a couple of revivals. Sherlock Holmes - the same.

They changed Steed's girl, but they can't change Steed. They tried in 1998 and it was a disaster.

Better to look at The Avengers' legacy and it's influence, rather than recreate it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're working on a pilot web-isode, when it's made, try us you might like it. I hear what some are saying, if it's not Macnee in the bowler it's not John Steed, and while I take your point we have to look at the fact that for each generation there have many actors who have played Doctor Who, James Bond, Shelrock Holmes, Batman etc... The Avengers was lucky that for almost it's entire duration 50 years one man embodied that role and in out hearts and minds still does. Which is a sizeable hurdle to overcome not just as viewer to the poor sods who contemplate and attempt to fill those shoes in getting a new series off the ground.

One poor sod right here (points to oneself) Smile there are many factors as to why a new series has never been attempted, and this is one of the big ones, maybe there doesn't need to be a new one, but... but there is a demand there is a hope, and I know I'd rather see a new series done right or not at all, those shoes will have to be filled by someone else to get the ball rolling, or all a new series will be is an idea nothing more.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I can't turn out a good, solid, fun, cheeky, charming, sexy, cool, engaging new series of the Avengers... Well then I will eat my bowler hat and post it on youtube Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:49 am    Post subject: from Bobby Steed Reply with quote

Bully for you! I would love to see a web base version. If you build it they will come! It all started with a dream. I say try it and see if it will work. - Bobby Very Happy
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We discussed remakes of television programmes at work yesterday, mainly inspired by the forthcoming remake of Upstairs Downstairs. I mentioned that a TV company was interested in making a new version of The Avengers. However, there was some scepticisim, mainly due to the 1998 movie. Encouragingly there was a general consensus that a remake could work, although more people in the office seemed to prefer a remake of either The New Avengers or The Champions . Not a scientific poll, of course, and probably due to people having fond memories of these two shows from their childhood or teenage years. Either that or wanting to see Emila Fox in another action role - she was top choice to play both Purdey and Sharron Macready!
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paulpdjh wrote:
We discussed remakes of television programmes at work yesterday, mainly inspired by the forthcoming remake of Upstairs Downstairs. I mentioned that a TV company was interested in making a new version of The Avengers. However, there was some scepticisim, mainly due to the 1998 movie. Encouragingly there was a general consensus that a remake could work, although more people in the office seemed to prefer a remake of either The New Avengers or The Champions . Not a scientific poll, of course, and probably due to people having fond memories of these two shows from their childhood or teenage years. Either that or wanting to see Emila Fox in another action role - she was top choice to play both Purdey and Sharron Macready!


I'm still hoping that Guillarmo del Toro will come up with that Champions remake, though not with Emilia Fox--we need someone shorter and curvier for Sharron.

(And if they ever do anything with TNA again, bring Joanna back. Wink )
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paulpdjh wrote:
We discussed remakes of television programmes at work yesterday, mainly inspired by the forthcoming remake of Upstairs Downstairs. I mentioned that a TV company was interested in making a new version of The Avengers. However, there was some scepticisim, mainly due to the 1998 movie. Encouragingly there was a general consensus that a remake could work, although more people in the office seemed to prefer a remake of either The New Avengers or The Champions . Not a scientific poll, of course, and probably due to people having fond memories of these two shows from their childhood or teenage years. Either that or wanting to see Emila Fox in another action role - she was top choice to play both Purdey and Sharron Macready!


I'm still hoping that Guillarmo del Toro will come up with that Champions remake, though not with Emilia Fox--we need someone shorter and curvier for Sharron.

(And if they ever do anything with TNA again, bring Joanna back. Wink )


I'd forgotten that Guillarmo del Toro was planning to make a Champions film. Hopefully it will get made, although it seems to have gone rather quiet recently.

Agree about Joanna. However, we assumed if they ever did bring back TNA she wouldn't want to be involved without Gareth.

Love your TNA website - you've managed to track down some great material. I particularly enjoyed reading the French comic strips and the Daily Mirror's Sleeping Dragon story.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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paulpdjh wrote:
We discussed remakes of television programmes at work yesterday, mainly inspired by the forthcoming remake of Upstairs Downstairs. I mentioned that a TV company was interested in making a new version of The Avengers. However, there was some scepticisim, mainly due to the 1998 movie. Encouragingly there was a general consensus that a remake could work, although more people in the office seemed to prefer a remake of either The New Avengers or The Champions . Not a scientific poll, of course, and probably due to people having fond memories of these two shows from their childhood or teenage years. Either that or wanting to see Emila Fox in another action role - she was top choice to play both Purdey and Sharron Macready!


I'm still hoping that Guillarmo del Toro will come up with that Champions remake, though not with Emilia Fox--we need someone shorter and curvier for Sharron.

(And if they ever do anything with TNA again, bring Joanna back. Wink )


I'd forgotten that Guillarmo del Toro was planning to make a Champions film. Hopefully it will get made, although it seems to have gone rather quiet recently.

Agree about Joanna. However, we assumed if they ever did bring back TNA she wouldn't want to be involved without Gareth.

Love your TNA website - you've managed to track down some great material. I particularly enjoyed reading the French comic strips and the Daily Mirror's Sleeping Dragon story.


Guillarmo sort of got sidetracked by jumping on and off a little project called The Hobbit. I think he's gone from there to something else now, but I still live in hope that Craig, Richard, and Sharron will live again. Alexandra Bastedo and William Gaunt are already fighting over who gets to play Tremayne. Wink

I think Joanna would probably come back for a cameo or something now, but anything regular she probably wouldn't have done without Gareth, I agree. You really can't have Purdey without Gambit. Smile

And many thanks for the kind words about my TNA site. Very Happy Most of the content is sourced from my own collection, and I've tried my best to post the rarer pieces that haven't gotten a lot of attention elsewhere on the net. I've really enjoyed doing it, and I hope to give it a much needed update at some point--I've moved and don't have access to the resources at the moment. But I do have one absolutely unheard of rarity that should provoke some interest when I get to it.
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I think Joanna would probably come back for a cameo or something now, but anything regular she probably wouldn't have done without Gareth, I agree. You really can't have Purdey without Gambit. Smile



Oh, I think Purdey with Steed, if Gareth couldn't have shown up, would have been fine, as well in a regular show. Just my opinion!

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The New Avengers wouldn't be The New Avengers without Gambit I'm afraid. Fact more than opinion.


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