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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Hope that helps!


That's a massive help, thank you. I've now started reading Deadline and I'll pick up the other recommendations as I can.

The fan/collector/ironist in me is still curious about the Steed biography. Maybe if I ever see a copy going cheap...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
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I've decided to start reading Avengers tie-in fiction. I survived the Prisoner novels. Very Happy
All of them? What about the Roger Langley ones - "When In Rome", "Think Tank" etc? They're a definite test of fan mettle...


Just The Ace ones. I've not read the Langleys.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robmyers wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Hope that helps!


That's a massive help, thank you. I've now started reading Deadline and I'll pick up the other recommendations as I can.

The fan/collector/ironist in me is still curious about the Steed biography. Maybe if I ever see a copy going cheap...


Deadline is good fun. It's less famous than Dead Duck, but I actually enjoyed it more. The whole background with the newspaper business I found really interesting. Hope you enjoy some of my other picks, too. Avengers fiction is actually quite fun. Some of it feels like its own universe, but it gives you an alternate look-in on their characters.

As for the biography, it's a strange bird. It's smirkworthy in the sense that the author had some fun with it, writing in Steed's childhood interactions with James Bond and a certain Daniel Patrick Macnee, respectively. It also delves quite deeply into his wartime experience, his childhood, and his love life (making him another member of the well-populated Avengerland widows club in the process). You probably won't believe a word of it, but it's an interesting read.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even the reprints of the Dr Who strips have been put on hold - possibly even cancelled for good.
That's due to the BBC acting up over rights (with the new series so popular, they could be taking it all back in-house: like they did with the novels after the McGann TV movie). The sales of the "graphic novel" reprints were very good.

The Titan reprints of the James Bond newspaper strips did quite well too IIRC.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying Deadline. The only thing that seems strange to me is that the characterisations seem more like Steed's dynamic with Mrs. Gale than with Mrs. Peel. Or possibly I'm just noticing it more on the page than I would on the screen. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robmyers wrote:
I'm enjoying Deadline. The only thing that seems strange to me is that the characterisations seem more like Steed's dynamic with Mrs. Gale than with Mrs. Peel. Or possibly I'm just noticing it more on the page than I would on the screen. Smile


It was written fairly early in the Emma era, so it's entirely possible they had more of a Cathy mindset than Emma at the time. I should mention I forgot to include the Gale era novel The Avengers by Douglas Enefer in my list. That one's also quite good, and the only proper novelisation for Steed and Cathy. I'd recommend that one as well. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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With that in mind, keep an eye open for some very rare Avengers strips at Yahoo Group, The Forget Me Notes. Coming soon.


I'm really grateful someone pointed out that yahoo group "The Forget Me Notes". I've had a wonderful time reading old The Avenger comics and seeing the different art and character interpretations.

I'd love someone to put together a book of collections of old Avenger comics. I'd buy that in a second.

Mona


the comics ? that would be a treat, if they could be reproduced in an book..etc
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With that in mind, keep an eye open for some very rare Avengers strips at Yahoo Group, The Forget Me Notes. Coming soon.


I'm really grateful someone pointed out that yahoo group "The Forget Me Notes". I've had a wonderful time reading old The Avenger comics and seeing the different art and character interpretations.

I'd love someone to put together a book of collections of old Avenger comics. I'd buy that in a second.

Mona


the comics ? that would be a treat, if they could be reproduced in an book..etc


That would be wonderful! It's so difficult to get a complete set of comics, even with internet groups and such. A collection of all the strips would probably do quite well. The Who and Bond ones did. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a very nice Yahoo group called 'The Forget Me Notes' that reproduces Avengers comic pages.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Forget-Me-Notes/
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you're a TNA fan, you must, must, must read Fighting Men, one of the all-time best Avengers novels in terms of characterisation. The Purdey/Gambit dialogue is so priceless, you'll wish it was said onscreen. [quote/]

Well, I'm late coming in to this conversation as I wanted to reread "Fighting Men", first and just got around to it. While some of the banter is exceedingly good in this novelization, some was very problematic.

For one thing, in "Fighting Men", Steed is presented like Bertie Wooster, his dialogue full of "I say", and "Old chap" and "Jolly good", "Hard luck, my boy" and all those phrases Steed never said as an Englishman. Also, his character is greatly underused; he is either drinking (way too much), while Purdey and Gambit are in dire straits, or relying on other characters to help him out and guide him. We see him come through in the end by convincing a rebel "king" to help him, but the author creates this mystery as to why the king agreed to trust Steed and neither Gambit, very understandably, nor the reader has any CLUE to the answer. Probably the author has no idea why the king would agree and so wrote himself out of having to explain it! Wink

As to Gambit and Purdey, the initial Gambit dialogue in the early pages is, again, annoying, Gambit simply trying to have sex with Purdey; I counted four episodes of him trying to get her into bed in the first 33 pages. I don't find that charming or fun; neither, apparently does Purdey, who has to constantly refuse his overtures. FINALLY, Gambit gets around to actually asking her out to dinner, and then she is willing to consider it. So, when Gambit gets around to viewing her as a woman, instead of a sex object, she is willing to at least have a meal with him. (Even when they are tied up in a crate, Purdey is concerned Gambit is trying to fondle her!)

In the rest of the book, no matter the circumstances, we get very light-hearted bantering exchanges between Purdey and Gambit--at times that is very nice to read, and as Timeless states, very well done in capturing the conversations we have seen and enjoyed many times on the show. Certainly, Gambit and Purdey are well paired as partners in adventure, get along well, and work out problems together as a team.

In other circumstances, however, the wit seems greatly out of place. What I most like about The Avengers, and TNA, are the moments when we learn something deeper and human and darker in our characters--when the light fun fades for a view into what haunts their minds. Learning Steed, when visiting Father, has to open drapes as he doesn't like being in a dark room, seeing Emma show mindless fear under the helicopter, watching Steed throw his glass in sheer frustration and anger when he's lost Emma on the base, seeing Purdey struggle with her ex's nefarious doings, and such, is incredibly interesting to me. Much more so than Purdey and Gambit somewhat unbelievably sending out little jokes and quips as they are tied up in a claustrophobic crate under piles of other crates, in the dark, waiting to be dropped in the ocean; or, making quips about their muddy clothes when Africans are running for their lives and others are getting blown up by missiles. Not that I don't love the banter of The Avengers and TNA--I do love it!--but I like it combined with seeing our characters in a whole, real manner. It's like so many folks saying they enjoyed the scene of Steed with Piggy Warren--that wasn't very witty at all, but it sure showed an intense side of our secret agent!

I would have liked to see the author show more of the substance of Purdey and Gambit in some harrowing scenes, but unfortunately Cartwright's adapted storyline did not do so.

Also, it was a little dark for this TNA book to have Miller kill a child--that seemed unnecessary; we already knew he was indeed mad.

So, this book was okay. I liked the other TNA books a bit better.

Of course, as no doubt folks can imagine, the ending of "To Catch A Rat" was the best, with Purdey winding up in bed with Steed. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I finished "Deadline", which I really enjoyed. Either the characterisations settled down as the story went on or I just wasn't used to reading the characters rather than seeing them on the screen. Smile

I've ordered "Dead Duck" now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robmyers wrote:
I've decided to start reading Avengers tie-in fiction. I survived the Prisoner novels. Very Happy

Is the John Steed biography any good? I'm very tempted, something about the idea just tickles me, but the prices I'm seeing are a bit off-putting.

Here's one on ebay, looks quite cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230554428961
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bekius55 wrote:
Here's one on ebay, looks quite cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230554428961


thanks for the info!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
There is a very nice Yahoo group called 'The Forget Me Notes' that reproduces Avengers comic pages.

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/The-Forget-Me-Notes/


The group has been very quiet of late it seems, but a newly compiled Steed and Tara strip has gone up today, "Crime Of The Century." From June/August 1969.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woohoo! I just won the two "New Avengers" annuals on Ebay tonight. Just wanted to share my good news Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the 13 official Avengers novels. Dead duck is definitely the best of these. Deadline is also good. The other novels were a patchy mixture, some ok, some not, but none really capturing the mood of the series. Dead duck is the one novel that manages to do this.
The saga of happy valley by Geoff Barlow, while not an official paperback, nonetheless is better than most of the 60s novels, in terms of real Avengering. The 3 Mrs Peel Stay Tuned novelettes were also the real deal.
Does anyone recommend any other unofficial Avengers stories that are worth looking out for Question Rich.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole - would it be rude to ask how much you paid?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Frankymole - would it be rude to ask how much you paid?
3.09 for the 1977 annual (unclipped, albeit with crossword filled in - I don't do them anyway) and 4.99 for the 1978 one (unclipped and with blank crossword).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was lucky to win Meet The Avengers (the 1963 mag) on ebay for 20 a few years ago. I think it's worth over 100. It might be the rarest Avengers book I have.
In The Avengers Files (A. Pixley) he has listed a publication called The Avengers by Mick Anglo (1966). I've never heard of this one. Does anyone have it and what do you think?
I've got all the novels, except John Steed-an authorised biography? Is this worth looking out for?
As for fanzines I've managed to acquire all the Dave Rogers ones. There was a short lived fanzine called Bizarre. A newspaper in the 80s called With umbrella, charm and bowler; and En Garde, a fanzine from the late 60s. Does anyone have these and can you shed some light on them?
Thanks, Richard.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberrich wrote:
I was lucky to win Meet The Avengers (the 1963 mag) on ebay for 20 a few years ago. I think it's worth over 100. It might be the rarest Avengers book I have.
In The Avengers Files (A. Pixley) he has listed a publication called The Avengers by Mick Anglo (1966). I've never heard of this one. Does anyone have it and what do you think?


Richard, Mick Anglo was a comic artist famous for the Marvelman (a UK version of Captain Marvel from America) comic of the 1950s and 60s. Could this be a British version of the Gold Key Steed & Mrs Peel (itself a compilation of the weekly adventures from TV Comic)?
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