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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ergo the great Steed move of leaping in and out of them without bothering with the door. I loved that! Wink


That's because the Bentley has no driver's door! There is a passenger side door at the front and an offside rear door for those in the back.



I've never found out why, I suspect it's because a full set of doors would affect the rigidity of the bodywork. In any case, dropping down into the bucket seat is much easier than trying to squeeze in sideways.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
Mona wrote:
ergo the great Steed move of leaping in and out of them without bothering with the door. I loved that! Wink


That's because the Bentley has no driver's door! There is a passenger side door at the front and an offside rear door for those in the back.



I've never found out why, I suspect it's because a full set of doors would affect the rigidity of the bodywork. In any case, dropping down into the bucket seat is much easier than trying to squeeze in sideways.

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Somehow I never realised that there is no door. Always thought it was just one of Steed's habits Very Happy
And by the way - if you don't own enough money for a vintage Bentley, you can buy a 3/4 scale model of the 1929 4,5 l

http://justacarguy.blogspot.de/2012/06/34-scale-model-of-1929-bentley-4-12.html
http://classiccarsauthority.blogspot.de/2012/06/34-scale-model-of-1929-bentley-4-12.html


AND HAVE A LOOK AT THIS!

Mike Sayers' prize winning model 1923 Bentley 3-litre engine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ypb6ASnL8
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
That's because the Bentley has no driver's door! There is a passenger side door at the front and an offside rear door for those in the back.

I've never found out why, I suspect it's because a full set of doors would affect the rigidity of the bodywork. In any case, dropping down into the bucket seat is much easier than trying to squeeze in sideways.

~iw


I never noticed that, either! Very Happy I always assumed the door was welded shut or something, or, like others, that it was just some quirk of Steed's. Fascinating! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been meaning to post this for a while ...

Look what old lady turned up as part of the Queen's recent Jubilee ...



1925 Bentley Tourer - 3000 CC
Owned by Maurice Avent & Vera Forsyth. As seen in first colour episode of The Fear Merchants

Photograph by Al Hine
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, she's still running - Steed's old lady from Fear merchants.
Thanks a lot for that post Dandy!


Funny, it's the only time that Steed had a flag on his car - another jubilee or Mrs. Peel's birthday?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was very fitting that Steed's "old girl" should turn up at Her Majesty's celebrations. She'll outlive all of us I think (the car, I mean). It was a real lump in the throat time when Al Hine posted the pic to Roobarb's.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
Mona wrote:
ergo the great Steed move of leaping in and out of them without bothering with the door. I loved that! Wink


That's because the Bentley has no driver's door! There is a passenger side door at the front and an offside rear door for those in the back.



I've never found out why, I suspect it's because a full set of doors would affect the rigidity of the bodywork. In any case, dropping down into the bucket seat is much easier than trying to squeeze in sideways.

~iw


Pretty sure the reason that the Bentley had no driver's door was because it would get in the way of the external handbrake - visible in the above shot (and possibly also an offside internal internal gear lever - though not sure about the latter).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
I thought it was very fitting that Steed's "old girl" should turn up at Her Majesty's celebrations. She'll outlive all of us I think (the car, I mean). It was a real lump in the throat time when Al Hine posted the pic to Roobarb's.

Thanks for posting, I had missed that on Roobarbs. The car was in London for the Lord Mayor's Show last November, as previously posed by Darren in: Steed's Car on Parade (with pictures)

This latest picture is from "The Diamond Jubilee Tour Of Ultima Thule", a tour by 22 veteran and vintage motors of the most northerly parts of the British Isles. It's clearly a well travelled car.

There is video of the tour here on YouTube:



Lagondas, Bentleys and more at Ness Battery, Orkney 30 May

According to Al Hine's post on Roobarb YK6871 is owned by Maurice Avent & Vera Forsyth. (I still can't work out why it isn't registered with the DVLA).

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great YT link. Thanks!

They certainly made cars to last in those days.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed Six wrote:
Pretty sure the reason that the Bentley had no driver's door was because it would get in the way of the external handbrake - visible in the above shot (and possibly also an offside internal internal gear lever - though not sure about the latter).


I spent this morning at a local vintage Bentley specialist, William Medcalf. As part of a prize, my son had won a trip in a Bentley and I went with him for a tour of the workshops. I asked why vintage Bentley's didn't have a driver's side door. The answer was "style!" As "Speed Six" above says, the handbrake outside and the gear lever inside are a bit in the way and make it difficult but not impossible, a few cars were built with a driverís door.

Swinging your leg "Steed-style" over the bodywork was the custom of the time. A lot of other sports cars of that era do not have a driverís door, even with the levers more conventionally placed, note for instance the Lagonda in the video I posted earlier.

A great morning but I realised that I'm even further away from my ambition of owning a Bentley now than when I first watched Steed driving one in the sixties Ö one car in the workshop was worth £3million.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[b]
Vintage 1929 Bentley becomes the most expensive British-made car ever sold after going for £5million at auction[/b]



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2166678/Vintage-1929-Bentley-expensive-British-car-sold-going-5m-auction.html#ixzz2292WhORZ
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ischtar wrote:


Vintage 1929 Bentley becomes the most expensive British-made car ever sold after going for £5million at auction



If only we could have predicted that Bentley prices would go so high!



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, my famous counterpart! Smile

The Fast Lady. I love this film, it might even be on my profile as one of my favourites.

I've always thought Leslie and Julie Christie would have made good Steed and an Avenger girl as a kind of equivalent to the Peter Cushing/Doctor Who movies. Leslie was a very good friend to Patrick and were in Les Girls together.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who says green cars are unlucky?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:23 am    Post subject: Steed's Speed Six in Runnymede Reply with quote

Flickr user Rajesh Mehmi has uploaded photographs taken at Runnymede, Surrey last October of RX 6180. This was Steed's 6 1/2 litre Bentley which features in 15 x Series 5 episodes (the most appearances of any of the Bentleys).

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The Le Mans replica body which it had in The Avengers was removed in about 1984 and these photos show it in d/h coupe form.

vintagebentleys.org have an earlier photograph taken at the Bentley Drivers Club meeting in June 2013.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Steed's Speed Six in Runnymede Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
Flickr user Rajesh Mehmi has uploaded photographs taken at Runnymede, Surrey last October of RX 6180. This was Steed's 6 1/2 litre Bentley which features in 15 x Series 5 episodes (the most appearances of any of the Bentleys).

Flickr photostream





The Le Mans replica body which it had in The Avengers was removed in about 1984 and these photos show it in d/h coupe form.

vintagebentleys.org have an earlier photograph taken at the Bentley Drivers Club meeting in June 2013.



~iw


Ian

Yes, this is the Bentley that was sold by Stanley Mann Racing at Radlett, Hertfordshire (right in the heart of Avengerland) in 1984 to a guy in Sweden, who promptly took the body off the car and left it as a rolling chassis for years. Then while going through the final proofs of my book Bowler Hats and Kinky Boots, I took one final look at the DVLA site and discovered that RX 6180 had recently been road taxed for the UK again, so obviously it was back.

The photographs are great, even if the car does not look exactly as it did in The Avengers.
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2015 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting to read all the earlier facts about why most Bentleys do not have a driver's door. And I always thought Steed jumped in and out to save time!
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ischtar wrote:
Wow, she's still running - Steed's old lady from Fear merchants.
Thanks a lot for that post Dandy!


Funny, it's the only time that Steed had a flag on his car - another jubilee or Mrs. Peel's birthday?


great car, but they were known to be full of 'ghosts in the machine'..more than a few times, during production, crews had to push the bentley out of shots etc
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhonda wrote:
Very interesting to read all the earlier facts about why most Bentleys do not have a driver's door. And I always thought Steed jumped in and out to save time!


Just to elaborate further for those who are interested (please feel free to move on if Bentley doors are not your thing!)Ö

The first vintage Bentley that Steed ever drives in The Avengers is a 1929 4 Ĺ litre "UW 4887" which carries a 4-door bodywork by Harrison.



In its first appearance, rolling up at the residence of Sir Clive Todd in "The Master Minds", Steed can be seen exiting the car through the open door, I think the only time he does this on screen.



A few episodes later in "Too Many Christmas Trees", Patrick has perfected the door leaping technique that he would use in the remaining cars.
(This car can also be glimpsed in "Dial A Deadly Number" and its final appearance is in "Room Without a View").

The next Bentley used in The Avengers is another 4Ėdoor model, the rather tatty 1924 3 litre "XR 6056". This one has open tourer bodywork by Park Ward and appears in two episodes.



In "Man Eater of Surrey Green", Pat Macnee valiantly exits over the door which on this model doesnít even have a cutaway elbow rest! He begins to get in the same way; the storyline involves a deadly poisonous cactus being hidden on the driving seat so dropping in from above is something of requirement of the script.

This carís other appearance is in "The Hour That Never Was" where it crashes into a tree.



In this scene we see Steedís right foot move from the accelerator "button" in the centre to the brake pedal on the right and a few seconds later a short sequence of Steed pulling on the internal handbrake has been filmed through the driverís open door with the door hinge clearly visible.

From then on the Bentleys used in The Avengers were all models with no driverís side door.



1927 3 litre "YT 3942" which appears in a total of 12 episodes (the first six on false plates) is an original Vanden Plas bodied car.



1925 3 litre "YK 6871" - which appears only in "The Fear Merchants" and is also a Vanden Plas original.

Finally the 1930 6 Ĺ litre "RX 6180"; the most ubiquitous of the Bentleys, appearing in 15 episodes of Series 5.



This one had a Le Mans Replica bodywork fitted in 1960 and actually has 3 doors, in the episode "Deathís Door" Steed can be seen exiting over the top of the front passenger door. The drop from the driverís side of this Bentley is the greatest because as well as being the tallest car it also has no running board.

So to tally the final scores: a Bentley appears in a total of 34 episodes and in 28 of them the car has no driverís door. In the 6 episodes where Steed does have the use of a driverís door he opens it only once.



One final point: I havenít included in this list the Bentley that features in the end credits of Series 4. This is also clearly a "Le Mans" bodied car but other than that I know nothing. It isnít, as far as I can tell, used in any of the episodes so must have been borrowed solely for the photoshoot.

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