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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian, thank you for the lovely explanation and astute observation. This is a different sort of question, but were any of these cars in stunts where the car got damaged? I hope not. They are such lovely cars. Wonder how they dealt with maintenance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ian, thank you for the lovely explanation and astute observation. This is a different sort of question, but were any of these cars in stunts where the car got damaged? I hope not. They are such lovely cars. Wonder how they dealt with maintenance.


Very good question. Although considered above the average second-hand car these vintage Bentleys still were nowhere near as highly revered in the 1960s as they are today. The crash scene in "The Hour That Never Was" was carefully staged but they were clearly not so careful in both "The House That Jack Built" and, especially, in "Death's Door" where the big Speed Six clearly suffers a damaged headlight as it careers through a fence into the bushes.

I recall reading in Mike's book that one of the Bentleys was damaged when a piece of heavy equipment broke free on location, so it doesn't seem they were particularly careful with them!

On another note, this rarity has been recently found and is coming up for sale in September...



You'll probably spot that the registration is just 72 lower than that on the Bentley 6 litre "RX 6180" used in series 5, being registered just a month earlier (Feb 1930). It still has its original Saloon body by H J Mulliner so is much like the Speed Six would have looked when new.

It's at Bonhams sale at Beaulieu in September:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22724/preview_lot/4847127/

Three months to get saving!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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anti-clockwise wrote:
Ian, thank you for the lovely explanation and astute observation. This is a different sort of question, but were any of these cars in stunts where the car got damaged? I hope not. They are such lovely cars. Wonder how they dealt with maintenance.


Very good question. Although considered above the average second-hand car these vintage Bentleys still were nowhere near as highly revered in the 1960s as they are today. The crash scene in "The Hour That Never Was" was carefully staged but they were clearly not so careful in both "The House That Jack Built" and, especially, in "Death's Door" where the big Speed Six clearly suffers a damaged headlight as it careers through a fence into the bushes.

I recall reading in Mike's book that one of the Bentleys was damaged when a piece of heavy equipment broke free on location, so it doesn't seem they were particularly careful with them!

On another note, this rarity has been recently found and is coming up for sale in September...



You'll probably spot that the registration is just 72 lower than that on the Bentley 6 litre "RX 6180" used in series 5, being registered just a month earlier (Feb 1930). It still has its original Saloon body by H J Mulliner so is much like the Speed Six would have looked when new.

It's at Bonhams sale at Beaulieu in September:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22724/preview_lot/4847127/

Three months to get saving!

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What a pity on the vehicle that was damaged. The maintenance on these beauties has to be quite expense as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
Ian Wegg wrote:
anti-clockwise wrote:
Ian, thank you for the lovely explanation and astute observation. This is a different sort of question, but were any of these cars in stunts where the car got damaged? I hope not. They are such lovely cars. Wonder how they dealt with maintenance.


Very good question. Although considered above the average second-hand car these vintage Bentleys still were nowhere near as highly revered in the 1960s as they are today. The crash scene in "The Hour That Never Was" was carefully staged but they were clearly not so careful in both "The House That Jack Built" and, especially, in "Death's Door" where the big Speed Six clearly suffers a damaged headlight as it careers through a fence into the bushes.

I recall reading in Mike's book that one of the Bentleys was damaged when a piece of heavy equipment broke free on location, so it doesn't seem they were particularly careful with them!

On another note, this rarity has been recently found and is coming up for sale in September...



You'll probably spot that the registration is just 72 lower than that on the Bentley 6 litre "RX 6180" used in series 5, being registered just a month earlier (Feb 1930). It still has its original Saloon body by H J Mulliner so is much like the Speed Six would have looked when new.

It's at Bonhams sale at Beaulieu in September:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22724/preview_lot/4847127/

Three months to get saving!

~iw.
What a pity on the vehicle that was damaged. The maintenance on these beauties has to be quite expense as well.


The various vintage Bentleys did not have a great deal of value in the sixties and in addition to the several cases of damage being done to them, the production damaged quite a few other vehicles during the filming of the series.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Georgie Price-Jones's Lagonda. Reply with quote

The tag scene for The Girl From Auntie has Emma and Steed in a Messerschmitt micro-car overtaking Georgie Price-Jones (Liz Fraser) driving what most sources describe as Steed's Bentley. With the benefit of my newly arrived Blu-Ray set I can now see that the car Liz is driving is not a Bentley at all but a 1934 Lagonda, registration AYL 431.



In as much as the tag scenes don't generally make a lot of sense anyway, this changes the interpretation a little: i.e. Georgie hasn't borrowed or stolen Steed's car but has her own vintage motor, she is perhaps a clone of Steed?!

There's no record of the car now, at least not in the UK, so I don't know if it's still on the road.

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Footnote:
While searching for information about AYL431 I found details of a 1934 Lagonda registered AYL413, sold by auction in 1995. As the registration is so similar I wondered if the auction site had made a typo on the number plate and this was the same car. However my theory was shattered just a few hours later when by sheer chance on Saturday evening I was watching the old BBC series Campion and there in the opening titles was the car in question...



So not the one from The Girl From Auntie but registered at the same time, it features extensively in the programme and apparently now resides in Germany. Hopefully Georgie's car is also still motoring somewhere in the world.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian

This is very good research and great powers of observation.

The Messerschmitt and Lagonda are coming down London Road/Silver Hill, heading away from Shenley and the left fork on the junction leads to the large property High Canons, as seen in The Winged Avenger.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
...this rarity has been recently found and is coming up for sale in September...



You'll probably spot that the registration is just 72 lower than that on the Bentley 6 litre "RX 6180" used in series 5, being registered just a month earlier (Feb 1930). It still has its original Saloon body by H J Mulliner so is much like the Speed Six would have looked when new.

It's at Bonhams sale at Beaulieu in September:

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22724/lot/171/

Three months to get saving!

~iw.


For those interested, today was the day. Regrettably three months wasn't long enough to save up ... in the event I couldn't quite stump up the 25 to get into the auction! From my limited view through the marquee window it was certainly an imposing car.



For anyone with more resources than me, a Bentley very similar to Steed's but needing some work could be had for the bargain price of 695,900.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

25 just to get in and watch other people bid!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeR wrote:
25 just to get in and watch other people bid!


Yes quite! You can download the catalogue for free but if you want attend you have to buy the hardcopy for 25.

The hammer price on that Bentley was 62,000, netting Bonhams a commission of 75,900 on just that one lot. The seller would also have to pay commission. Admittedly that was the star lot but they sold 189 others today.

There's big money to be made in auctioneering.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Georgie Price-Jones's Lagonda. Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
The tag scene for The Girl From Auntie has Emma and Steed in a Messerschmitt micro-car overtaking Georgie Price-Jones (Liz Fraser) driving what most sources describe as Steed's Bentley. With the benefit of my newly arrived Blu-Ray set I can now see that the car Liz is driving is not a Bentley at all but a 1934 Lagonda, registration AYL 431.




More reason for me to get the blu-rays! Thanks for this find Ian, there are many cars that are too blurry to identify properly at DVD resolution.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: Georgie Price-Jones's Lagonda. Reply with quote

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More reason for me to get the blu-rays! Thanks for this find Ian, there are many cars that are too blurry to identify properly at DVD resolution.


Yes the difference in detail surprised me but is very welcome, the screenshots above don't reveal the full quality. (I haven't got a blu-ray drive in my PC so they were made by merely photographing a TV screen).

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject: Steed's Bentley 6.5 litre for sale Reply with quote

For anyone with very deep pockets Steed's 6.5 litre Bentley, as used throughout series 5, is currently on sale at 1,600,000.



"1930 Bentley Speed Six Long Chassis Vanden Plas style Tourer
Vintage and Prestige Fine Motor Cars are proud to be offering this 1930 Bentley Speed Six Long Chassis Vanden Plas style Tourer for sale in absolutely brand new condition."

http://vintageandprestige.wallgodev.co.uk/sales/779/1930-bentley-speed-six-long-chassis-vanden-plas-style-tourer/

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who would have ever thought a 1930's Bentley would be worth 2.5 million dollars! Most interesting. Thanks for posting Ian. It's beautiful.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Who would have ever thought a 1930's Bentley would be worth 2.5 million dollars!


The car is still for sale and the price has been reduced significantly to 1,150,000. Together with the plummeting value of sterling, that works out at a little over 1.5 million US dollars. I bet you're glad you didn't buy it three months ago!

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Ian Wegg wrote:
anti-clockwise wrote:
Who would have ever thought a 1930's Bentley would be worth 2.5 million dollars!


The car is still for sale and the price has been reduced significantly to 1,150,000. Together with the plummeting value of sterling, that works out at a little over 1.5 million US dollars. I bet you're glad you didn't buy it three months ago!

~iw
So true! But I suppose if I could afford it, an extra million pounds would not matter too much. Has it sold yet?
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Ian Wegg wrote:
anti-clockwise wrote:
Who would have ever thought a 1930's Bentley would be worth 2.5 million dollars!


The car is still for sale and the price has been reduced significantly to 1,150,000. Together with the plummeting value of sterling, that works out at a little over 1.5 million US dollars. I bet you're glad you didn't buy it three months ago!

~iw


Ian

There's onviously been a lot of time, money and energy involved here restoring the vehicle, although I have to say that I preferred the Le Mans style racing bodywork, this car had when it appeared in The Avengers.

Has the increasing market for classic cars slowed down or even gone into reverse?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...I have to say that I preferred the Le Mans style racing bodywork, this car had when it appeared in The Avengers.

Has the increasing market for classic cars slowed down or even gone into reverse?


Mike,

There have been predications for several years now that the classic car price bubble is due to burst (as it did in the 90's) but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. I think this particular example was somewhat overpriced to begin with and has also misjudged the market a bit. The sales pitch begins "Bentley Speed Six Tourer for sale in absolutely brand new condition ". I think that, like you and I, most people find the Le Mans type bodywork the most desirable. Also models that appear "brand new" also tend to look fake, and there are a lot of fakes. My observation from seeing genuine Bentleys at car gatherings is that, generally speaking, owners prefer their cars to have a certain aged patina (even if sometimes that patina itself is manufactured!). Cars that have been sympathetically renovated are the ones most sought after, rather than extensively rebuilt from new parts as this one seems to have been. Just my opinion.

anti-clockwise,

Yes it's still for sale as of this moment, if my comments haven't put you off!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Georgie Price-Jones's Lagonda. Reply with quote

Ian Wegg wrote:
The tag scene for The Girl From Auntie has Emma and Steed in a Messerschmitt micro-car overtaking Georgie Price-Jones (Liz Fraser) driving what most sources describe as Steed's Bentley. With the benefit of my newly arrived Blu-Ray set I can now see that the car Liz is driving is not a Bentley at all but a 1934 Lagonda, registration AYL 431.



There's no record of the car now, at least not in the UK, so I don't know if it's still on the road. Hopefully Georgie's car is ... still motoring somewhere in the world.


A further update to my earlier post about The Girl From Auntie Lagonda "AYL 431"

I have been contacted by someone from Melbourne who managed to track me down on Facebook and tell me that his father owns the car. He has sent me this picture..



Great to learn that it really is still somewhere in the world.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian

Thanks for posting the images and giving us the additional information regarding this vehicle.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: Steed's 4,5 Litre Bentley from 1929 Reply with quote

The current owner of John Steed's 4,5 Litre Bentley from 1929/UW 4887, Mr Lars Hedborg, added several new photos of the car.

The Bentley has now a new engine and also a new licence plate: CHH 196.

The photos are from 1952 to 1960, showing the car and former owners of the Bentley. Mr Hedborg also posted photos of his car from May 2017.
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