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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:18 am    Post subject: The Avengers Movie DVD Reply with quote

Forgive me if I've already missed a thread here about this but I was wondering if there were any plans to re-issue the movie in an unedited form? I suspect I already know the answer to this given it's (ahem) troubled history but having the 20 minutes minutes that were cut put back in would make for a fascinating watch.

Is any of this footage doing the rounds? I know the opinion is that Warner Bros just wanted to bury the film but they still make it available on DVD - even if it is no-frills...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to see this too. There were elements of the movie that I enjoyed, so I would fascinated to see the movie as it was intended to be seen.

There was a campaign to have it rereleased in a director's cut, but nothing came of it, if memory serves me well...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will watch Uma Thurman in anything. She looked fantastic in the tights. Around 45+ minutes were cut from the film so this would be a very interesting view. Think Once Upon a Time in America in the 2hr. cut that everyone hated compared to the 4hr. cut that every one loves.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so... missing minutes: 20 or 45? That's a huge difference...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original 115-minute film was cut to 89 minutes according to Wikipedia.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had read the original cut was close to 2.5 hours.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of the cut footage you can see right from the trailer.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a Blu-ray edition scheduled for release in the U.S. in August but judging by the running time it doesn't appear to be any different from the previous DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Blu-ray-Ralph-Fiennes/dp/B00JOTETJQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1397768934&sr=1-13&keywords=The+avengers
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mariocki wrote:
There's a Blu-ray edition scheduled for release in the U.S. in August but judging by the running time it doesn't appear to be any different from the previous DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Avengers-Blu-ray-Ralph-Fiennes/dp/B00JOTETJQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1397768934&sr=1-13&keywords=The+avengers


I sent an email to WB home video about the longer cut. IF.. I get a response i will post it.

I did preorder the blu ray version as well. It will be nice to have the film in HD. The movie introduced me to the characters and I discovered the series thanks to it too!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulGreaves wrote:
Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy


I do talk in great detail about The Avengers movie in my upcoming book Bowler Hat and Kinky Boots and having a copy of the shooting script I have to say that there is a lot less missing than everyone thinks. To be honest the amount of missing footage is small compared to what various places on web state. The whole thing about missing footage has been greatly exaggerated.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeR wrote:
PaulGreaves wrote:
Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy


I do talk in great detail about The Avengers movie in my upcoming book Bowler Hat and Kinky Boots and having a copy of the shooting script I have to say that there is a lot less missing than everyone thinks. To be honest the amount of missing footage is small compared to what various places on web state. The whole thing about missing footage has been greatly exaggerated.


Thanks for the post! I look forward to reading your book too!

I also read that Michael Kamen did the original score and then walked away when they didn't care for it. I would LOVE to hear his original score for the film. I'm listening to the McNeely score at the moment...


http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/info.html

The Avengers
Composer: Michael Kamen, R.I.P.
Score Details:
Additional Score: Michael Columbier, R.I.P..
Chief Sound Engineer: Geoff Foster.

Here is an excerpt of a Michael Kamen interview published in a French movie mag (called "Starfix") in September 1998. The interviewer: Didier Lepr?Ye. (roughly translated from French by MightyMcT):

Interviewer: "- What happened exactly on THE AVENGERS?"

Kamen: "It's a long story! First, Jeremiah chose me after having seen 101 DALMATIANS (the live version). He wanted the same tongue-in-cheek tone for his movie. We talked a lot, about the project, the actors, the music, etc. I then started to work on the project around September/October 1997. I had lots of ideas. In December, we did a demo with the very first cut. Everything was fine."

Interviewer: "Did you re-use the Laurie Johnson theme?"

Kamen: "At first, I didn't want to. But the people from Decca made me change my mind. So I created a main theme mockingly inspired by Laurie Johnson's work. His theme was there, but with a twist, some more crazyness, especially in the percussions."

Interviewer: "And how did you get fired?"

Kamen: "The sneak previews, always the sneak previews! First, in the States, the producers showed some dailies to a targeted audience: it went wrong, the movie was not working. There was maybe one hour worth of footage, with the broad lines of my score played by an american orchestra. That's when the producers freaked out and decided to come to England to do the real test. It occured in mid-March, in London. There, the previews went even worst: they were disastrous!

"Interviewer: "So what happened next?"

Kamen: "From that point, all things were rushed. I had to cancel all the concerts I had scheduled mid-March at the Carnegie Hall in New York to re-score the picture. Jeremiah now wanted a closer identification to the original Laurie Johnson's music, and to the TV series, but I was not particularly interested in doing that. THE AVENGERS score ... turned into a James Bond movie score, see? In the Bond movies, I was always able to predict when the Monty Norman theme would play, because the musical and scriptwriting approach was so obvious. On LICENCE TO KILL, I tried to play that tongue-in-cheek, but, again, they did not like it and made me change it. On THE AVENGERS, what they wanted was: some Michael Kamen, then the Laurie Johnson theme, then some more Michael Kamen ... there was no room for identity, and certainly no room for playing it tongue-in-cheek. Yet I managed to rewrite my score, for a new cut of the movie, which was faster and dryer. Unofficial recording sessions took place here in London, then we came back during April. Then, the clash. Nobody understood my approach, or should I say noboby tried to understand it..."

Interviewer: "And you finally decided to walk away?"

Kamen: "Sort of. I'm not good at pastiche. My job is not to do scores "in the style of...". There are other composers out there who do that very well. But I feel somehow bitter about THE AVENGERS ... I'm sure it will be a huge hit, no matter what. Sean Connery is very good in it and the audience will just love the new Steed/Peel. With my non-stereotyped score, it simply would have been even greater!"
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So many ways that movie could have been better, instead of the dire piece of 90s cinema that it is...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this very interesting to read as well..
Hopefully the longer version of the film is released at some point. I would be very interested in hearing the Michael Kamen score as well!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Avengers_%281998_film%29



Mick LaSalle, of the San Francisco Chronicle, warned against poor editing and direction, explaining,

There's.......some business involving a dead ringer for Emma going around causing trouble, and there's some mention of the word "cloning." Then all talk of that is dropped. Everything is dropped. After a slow opening, the 90-minute movie jolts into climax mode. What happened to the middle? Clearly, this wasn't just edited but gutted. No doubt they did us all a favor, but it doesn't help. Instead of just being a bad picture, the missing middle makes The Avengers a bad and weird and strangely off picture. One example: There's never a moment when Emma and Steed realize who the villain is. At first, they don't know. Next they're in a titanic battle to the death. At one point Emma is shackled and floating around in a hot-air balloon. I don't know how she got there. I must have blinked.[4]

Due to internal wrangling at Warner Brothers, the decision was made to vastly cut down the running time after test screenings, reducing the 115-minute film to 87 minutes, sacrificing much coherence and continuity in the process. Key scenes removed included the opening sequence in which "Mrs. Peel" infiltrates and destroys the Prospero science installation; early trailers included the scene where she says the words "How now brown cow" in a false telephone box to gain admittance. The movie was originally scored by composer Michael Kamen, who included the original Avengers theme; however he was unable to re-score the film after the radical editing, so was forced to drop out. The recut version of the film was scored by Joel McNeely. The original shooting script was used for the film's novelisation and includes all the material shot and then removed from the film. The original cut has yet to surface; Warners are apparently not interested in releasing a director's cut or special edition in any form, even though director Jeremiah Chechik has offered to recut the film for nothing.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was such a round failure that I'm not surprised Warner just wants to forget about it. Really one of the worst misfires of the 1990s, with two (at the time) popular stars that might have made it worth our while. I still find it difficult to believe that even with the added footage it would be able to surmount the obstacles of Thurman's miscasting and Fiennes' total lack of direction, but it might have at least been a more coherent film. As an Avengers adaptation, it's awful, but as a film it's even worse.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is interesting that the film is coming to blu ray at this time. Hopefully they do include the extra footage in a director's cut.

It seems odd to me that The Avengers series is out of print, aside from the Peel years, here in the US.

The movie introduced me to the show and for that I am very grateful.

I wonder if The Avengers tv series will ever make it to blu ray. I am enjoying my 50th DVD box set a great deal.

Has the Michael Kamen score ever been released or has anyone every heard it?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeR wrote:
PaulGreaves wrote:
Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy


I do talk in great detail about The Avengers movie in my upcoming book Bowler Hat and Kinky Boots and having a copy of the shooting script I have to say that there is a lot less missing than everyone thinks. To be honest the amount of missing footage is small compared to what various places on web state. The whole thing about missing footage has been greatly exaggerated.


Is the book available for preorder?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There must be enough people that like the film to warrant WB releasing the film on blu ray. I know there are a lot of people that do not care for it.

I actually was wondering why WB didn't use their MOD service for a release like this.

Anyway. I am glad the film is coming to blu ray. It would be so much sweeter for me if they included the full cut of the film and some extras even if they are just promotional stuff from 1998.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lando wrote:
MikeR wrote:
PaulGreaves wrote:
Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy


I do talk in great detail about The Avengers movie in my upcoming book Bowler Hat and Kinky Boots and having a copy of the shooting script I have to say that there is a lot less missing than everyone thinks. To be honest the amount of missing footage is small compared to what various places on web state. The whole thing about missing footage has been greatly exaggerated.


Is the book available for preorder?


Lando, yes the book can be pre-ordered from the Telos website www.telos.co.uk

There is also a thread running for it on the merchandise section.

Iím aware of Michael Kamenís involvement in the film, but are you aware of Nicholas Meyerís involvement?
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MikeR wrote:
Lando wrote:
MikeR wrote:
PaulGreaves wrote:
Haha! Is there ANYONE who really knows the truth...? Very Happy


I do talk in great detail about The Avengers movie in my upcoming book Bowler Hat and Kinky Boots and having a copy of the shooting script I have to say that there is a lot less missing than everyone thinks. To be honest the amount of missing footage is small compared to what various places on web state. The whole thing about missing footage has been greatly exaggerated.


Is the book available for preorder?


Lando, yes the book can be pre-ordered from the Telos website www.telos.co.uk

There is also a thread running for it on the merchandise section.

Iím aware of Michael Kamenís involvement in the film, but are you aware of Nicholas Meyerís involvement?


Wow! No how was Nick Meyer involved?
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