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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: The Avengers Optimum Release - US? Reply with quote

Any word when the season sets might be making their way to the U.S.?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Kiddng? I honestly think the biggest hold up is the bluray release of these titles. Studio Canal needs to get off thier butt and release these titles on bluray as they were originally supposed to be. Bluray is ridiculously affordable in the US with decent titles as low as $5. DVD is a dwindling market in the US. For the Honor Blackmen episodes dvd is fine due to the limitations of the 405 line format used at the time. Since all the rest was shot on 35mm film anything but 1080p would be a severe waste of the source material available.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, that's a no then? LOL
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been posting on here for a couple of years hoping to hear some news from those " in the know". Unfortunately most who are, don't really know or seem to care about a U.S. Blu ray release. Now that they've got their new optimum set released for region 2, I'm sure indifference has grown even more. I'm hoping A&E comes around and picks it up like they did 'The Prisoner' ,although it is much more of an undertaking.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ikbtops wrote:
I've been posting on here for a couple of years hoping to hear some news from those " in the know". Unfortunately most who are, don't really know or seem to care about a U.S. Blu ray release. Now that they've got their new optimum set released for region 2, I'm sure indifference has grown even more.


That's rubbish. Utter rubbish.

As someone who has been "in the know" with the UK releases (and is no doubt one of "those" to whom you refer), I can guarantee that I do care about a US release, am not indifferent and am well aware that a Region 2 DVD release is not the be all and end all, even for people like myself in the UK.

However, my desire for a US release (or a Blu-ray release - anywhere!) isn't going to make a jot of difference unless a company in the US thinks the series is a viable proposition. Ditto for Blu-ray releases in Europe.

The best I can advise is for US-based fans to contact companies like A&E, Acorn and others (I'm sure you'll have a better idea of the companies who have cult TV ranges there than I do) and politely suggest that they investigate the possiblity of releasing the series in North America.

Please don't interpret a lack of news as meaning that people supposedly "in the know" don't care.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ikbtops wrote:
I've been posting on here for a couple of years hoping to hear some news from those " in the know". Unfortunately most who are, don't really know or seem to care about a U.S. Blu ray release. Now that they've got their new optimum set released for region 2, I'm sure indifference has grown even more. I'm hoping A&E comes around and picks it up like they did 'The Prisoner' ,although it is much more of an undertaking.


With respect, any release in the US has got preciously little to do with those in the UK, why would they know about it.

Any lack of comment has probably also got a lot to do with the hassle that buying the UK releases has involved with constantly having to send off for replacements. It does sour your enthusiasm.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[However, my desire for a US release (or a Blu-ray release - anywhere!) isn't going to make a jot of difference unless a company in the US thinks the series is a viable proposition. Ditto for Blu-ray releases in Europe.

The best I can advise is for US-based fans to contact companies like A&E, Acorn and others (I'm sure you'll have a better idea of the companies who have cult TV ranges there than I do) and politely suggest that they investigate the possiblity of releasing the series in North America.


Alan, has any country besides the UK and possibly Germany released the remastered series? I just think from a financial perspective it would be to Studio Canal's benefit to really push this product to other markets to get a return of thier investment. What I am saying is they should be making a conserted effort to get this title to markets besides the UK and Germany. My opinion on the lack of a bluray release has nothing to do with viability. It has to do with milking Avengers fans into a double dip. Which will happen.

The original camera negatives were used for the restoration so 576 x 720 will hardly capture the resolution of 35mm film. Neither will 1080 x 1920 as in reality 4K is needed to capture all the information. I don't know the resolution they were scanned in but I do know it wasn't in standard definition. This more than likely was a 2K scan of the OCN and quite frankly the bluray would blow any dvd out of the water. DVD in the states is really dwindilng and new catalog blurays can be had for $9 at walmart. Here's to hoping the blurays come out soon. I will take The Persuaders as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The full remastered series has only been released in the UK and Germany, Tim. Series 5 has been released in remastered form in Australia, but the release hasn't been followed up.

Your suggestion that Studio Canal should "really push this product to other markets to get a return of their investment" is a sensible one, but they seem pretty slow to do anything about this, notably when you consider that they have yet to reissue the series in remastered form in their own territory, France.

I think your suggestion of a Blu-ray edition being designed as the second part in a "double dip" is accurate, but I don't think the UK sales of the DVDs have been particularly impressive, so I doubt that the follow-on Blu-rays are now the given that they once were.

If I'm brutally honest, I think we have a long wait ahead of us before we see the series on Blu-ray, anywhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I held off buying the DVDs in the hope of a Blu-Ray announcement.

When The Hut were flogging the complete series boxes cheap I caved in and bought one.

Which means the likelihood of me buying the series again on any Blu-Ray release is near zero. (There would have to be some pretty spectacular new bonus content - new documentaries or commentaries with Macnee, Rigg, Thorson etc to make me even consider it !)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a Blu ray owner anyway. So to double dip - in my case quadruple dip - isn't an option. I don't love the show that much.

Besides the quality of the DVDs is supposed to be so good would Blu ray enhance it even further? I'm not convinced.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The source is HD, more than likely a 2K scan of the original 35mm original camera negative remastered for bluray. 1920 x 1080 vs. 576 x 720. Mathematically that is 5 times the # of pixels so yes the bluray would be a significant improvement over the dvd.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read that one viewer was momentarily distracted by the fluff on one of the actor's jacket in an episode on the Optimum DVD, so that would be clear enough for me.

If these DVDs are that good, I really don't need, or want, a higher definition.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just finished watching seasons 4 and 5 from Optimum. I stop here and I'm waiting for TNA in the same conditions Wink ). The edition is marvellous ...but nothing is perfect. There are only four chapters per episode, there is no English subtitles (it would be good for British hearing impaired and foreigners) and the episode The Forget-Me-Knot is not on the Peel sets. At least, the scenes with Mrs Peel could have been in the bonus section!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are plenty of episodes, esp in the Tara series where the picture quality is terrific. I watch them on a blu ray player which upscales (though to nothing like the std of blu ray and you can only work with the source material in any event) and it looks v good indeed. Watched The Morning After recently and was struck at how fab it looked.

Have always suspected that blu ray is a long way off - The Avengers is a wonderful and unique series but has a small market as the sales of the dvd boxsets have shown
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, a Blu-ray version will come. It's just that no date have been scheduled yet. Blu-ray is less of a step, to the general public, than DVD vs VHS, so the expand is a bist slower. You have to learn patience, and the Optimum release (assuming you do get the right corrected releases) are enough to chomp your stick and wait a little bit.

Once the market is enough to support it, a HD release is inevitable.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seventeen wrote:
Guys, a Blu-ray version will come. It's just that no date have been scheduled yet. Blu-ray is less of a step, to the general public, than DVD vs VHS, so the expand is a bist slower. You have to learn patience, and the Optimum release (assuming you do get the right corrected releases) are enough to chomp your stick and wait a little bit.

Once the market is enough to support it, a HD release is inevitable.


I really hope the blu ray sets come soon. I am in the US (Region A) and would really like to have The Avengers series on blu ray. I only have the old 90's A&E Emma Peel box set and The New Avengers A&E sets at this point. I've seen the Tara King episodes and a few of the Cathy Gale ones.

It would be great if Optimum would put them out on blu ray for all regions.

I'm dragging my heels a bit on The Persuaders! blu ray set as it is locked to Region B UK and I will have to invest in a new player and add on to play the series. So.. it's become quite expensive to purchase just one series...

Grr!!!

: )

I was hoping Network would be releasing The Saint this year too!

The Avengers on blu ray would be a day one purchase for me though.

Oh! A&E Home Video... Impossible to contact and get a human response!!! If anyone has a contact with them please let me know. I had one years ago that was great at communication, but he has moved on from the company. I would love to let them know and have attempted to contact them, but it's impossible at this point.

If anyone knows of a contact with A&E please let me know.

I've tried to contact Network about issuing The Persuaders blu ray in Region A, but I'm sure there's legal reasons and contracts. They never responded to my email.

Does A&E still hold The Avengers license?
Does anyone have a contact for New Video / A&E Home Video US?
How does one contact Optimum Home Video?

**** It appears that The Avengers sets are no longer in print here in the US. Correct?

*** - I did contact A&E Home videos site and here is the automated response that I received...

You should receive a response by email from our support department shortly.
Please be advised if your question is not in regards to an order placed at our online store, we regret that we may not be able to reply.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are mysteries to us all. I don't think anyone holds the rights to The Avengers here in the states currently. The problem is Studio Canal titles have been released by many companies here in the states. Lionsgate probably being the biggest distributer. A & E has really shifted gears toward reality TV crap and I don't think hold the rights to many of the British TV shows like they used to.

I was expecting a US distributer for The Persuaders bluray as well but nothing yet. Acorn media seem to specialize in British TV and distribute Network's Robin Hood blurays here in the states. I wish they would jump on board and offer The Persuaders or A&E would offer it.

Concerning a DVD release of The Avengers Series 4-6 in the states they simply wouldn't sell! Bluray has really taken over the market here in the US and concerning new releases the Blurays are just as cheap as the dvd's. These were HD restorations from the OCN so dvd is simply a waste of time except for the Honor Blackman episodes done in 405 line video. The dvd's for those will work just fine. I am anxoiusly awaiting myself. I bought the Emma Peel megaset for $99 and retured it when I heard of the entire series being remastered in HD in Sept. of 2007 and coming to bluray. Bottom line is bluray has already taken off long ago! There are grossly obscure titles on the format that were never even released on dvd so they went from VHS straight to bluray! titles like Damnation Alley. Here's hoping to seeing Emma and Tara on bluray soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

timlamb wrote:
These are mysteries to us all. I don't think anyone holds the rights to The Avengers here in the states currently. The problem is Studio Canal titles have been released by many companies here in the states. Lionsgate probably being the biggest distributer. A & E has really shifted gears toward reality TV crap and I don't think hold the rights to many of the British TV shows like they used to.

I was expecting a US distributer for The Persuaders bluray as well but nothing yet. Acorn media seem to specialize in British TV and distribute Network's Robin Hood blurays here in the states. I wish they would jump on board and offer The Persuaders or A&E would offer it.

Concerning a DVD release of The Avengers Series 4-6 in the states they simply wouldn't sell! Bluray has really taken over the market here in the US and concerning new releases the Blurays are just as cheap as the dvd's. These were HD restorations from the OCN so dvd is simply a waste of time except for the Honor Blackman episodes done in 405 line video. The dvd's for those will work just fine. I am anxoiusly awaiting myself. I bought the Emma Peel megaset for $99 and retured it when I heard of the entire series being remastered in HD in Sept. of 2007 and coming to bluray. Bottom line is bluray has already taken off long ago! There are grossly obscure titles on the format that were never even released on dvd so they went from VHS straight to bluray! titles like Damnation Alley. Here's hoping to seeing Emma and Tara on bluray soon.


Thanks for the follow up post. I received an automated email from A&E basically saying that my request would be followed up on, but if it is not in regards to an order it may not be answered.

Hopefully a US company will start distributing The Avengers, The Persuaders and The Saint.

I'm curious why Network didn't just make the blu ray set region free. If they had done so I would've ordered the set a long time ago!!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denis wrote:
I've just finished watching seasons 4 and 5 from Optimum. I stop here and I'm waiting for TNA in the same conditions Wink ). The edition is marvellous ...but nothing is perfect. There are only four chapters per episode, there is no English subtitles (it would be good for British hearing impaired and foreigners) and the episode The Forget-Me-Knot is not on the Peel sets. At least, the scenes with Mrs Peel could have been in the bonus section!


We made a conscious decision not to include The Forget-Me-Knot on the Series 5 set, as it's the considered opinion of Jaz and myself that previously it had never been on the correct set. It wasn't transmitted with Series 5, was made as part of Series 6. Therefore it went with Series 6 and I believe it's the first time the series had been issued correctly in this respect.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lando wrote:
It would be great if Optimum would put them out on blu ray for all regions.


Optimum no longer exist. They have been subsumed into Studio Canal, as have Kinowelt in Germany.

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I've tried to contact Network about issuing The Persuaders blu ray in Region A, but I'm sure there's legal reasons and contracts. They never responded to my email.


Their license will only cover the UK. (And I can confirm the Persuaders Blu-ray is definitely coded Region B - sorry. It's marvellous.).
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