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moorlock2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borgus Weems wrote:
There are a few things about the movie that occur to me:

Fiennes & Thurmund are both very low-key actors trying to play larger than life characters, and that throws the whole thing out of wack.

Apparently, the original villain wasn't supposed to be Sean Connery, but the missing Mr. Peel - Connery was to be killed off at some point. I'm not saying that would have been better, but I think this was changed during filming, and thus the plot doesn't hang together well.

There wasn't as much fun as there should have been.

I don't hate it per-se, but it's not a patch on even the lowliest original series episode.


Right. Fiennes and Thurman were woefully miscast. There is no chemistry between them. The movie is so poor it even makes the worst Avengers episode, "Homicide and Old Lace", look good.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borgus Weems wrote:
Apparently, the original villain wasn't supposed to be Sean Connery, but the missing Mr. Peel - Connery was to be killed off at some point. I'm not saying that would have been better, but I think this was changed during filming, and thus the plot doesn't hang together well.


Yes, it was changed when they cast Connery. 'August De Winter' was a more peripheral character. Any creativity that was in the original script was sacrificed in his favour.

moorlock2003 wrote:
The movie is so poor it even makes the worst Avengers episode, "Homicide and Old Lace", look good.


I like Homicide And Old Lace. I think it has lots of charm. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like Homicide And Old Lace. I think it has lots of charm.


Hooray!!!!!! I'm not the only one in the world who doesn't detest this episode! Unless of course Dandy was saying this with tongue planted in cheek, in which case I'll shrink back into my corner and resume the conversation with the voices in my head. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like Homicide And Old Lace. I think it has lots of charm.


Hooray!!!!!! I'm not the only one in the world who doesn't detest this episode! Unless of course Dandy was saying this with tongue planted in cheek, in which case I'll shrink back into my corner and resume the conversation with the voices in my head. Smile


Not a bit of tongue in cheek intended, Kim. It might be from a 'guilty pleasure', but I enjoy HAOL and the other 'blonde Tara' episodes.

I'd far, far more be interested in watching the full unexpurgated The Great Great Britain Crime than the full unexpurgated so-called 'Avengers' movie. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I join the HAOL lovefest. Tonally it's rather confused but I have good associations with when I purchased it on video (paired with Who was that man I saw you with? on the Lumiere video). I'd love to see the whole original episode. Since most of Laurie Johnson's original music still exist they could easily add a score to it (which I imagine wasn't actually done). It's just The Avengers outside of the Clemens vision but that doesn't mean it's all bad.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one who liked this episode! I was beginging to feel very lonely. Smile

Now I should probably clarrify....The episode in and of itself was not the best. It had been mangled and twisted and thrown together, but the premise was good and who doesn't love Mother's aunts? They are what I like mostly about the episode.

I too would have loved to have seen the original, but I doubt that will ever happen, though of course we never thought we'd see the champagne commercial either.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Blonde Tara' might need it's own thread! Wink

I think 'Clemens vision' of The Avengers, as much as we all love it, could paint itself into a corner at times.

John Bryce's version seems to be more like The Avengers had Lew Grade/ITC had been in charge.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kim wrote:
I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only one who liked this episode! I was beginging to feel very lonely. Smile

Now I should probably clarrify....The episode in and of itself was not the best. It had been mangled and twisted and thrown together, but the premise was good and who doesn't love Mother's aunts? They are what I like mostly about the episode.

I too would have loved to have seen the original, but I doubt that will ever happen, though of course we never thought we'd see the champagne commercial either.


I don't hate it either. You have to keep in mind it's essentially a clips episode, and clips episodes are never really up to par, with some plot squeaked in to stitch things together. Considering that and the fact that it's a rush job, it's an enjoyable extra. (Am I the only one who finds the tag, with Rhonda "talking" and Steed groaning away in response, funny?)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it purely for the unaired "Great Great Britain Crime" clips, even if they are silent. What really bothers me is the clip from one of the Emma Peel episodes ("Never Never Say Die"), when we're in the Tara season. Was that necessary?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moorlock2003 wrote:
I like it purely for the unaired "Great Great Britain Crime" clips, even if they are silent. What really bothers me is the clip from one of the Emma Peel episodes ("Never Never Say Die"), when we're in the Tara season. Was that necessary?


I suppose it was to stitch the plot together. I always imagine a thoroughly panicked Brian Clemens desperately trying to paste something together in time to ship the next batch of the episodes to the States. It's a miracle the Tara era survived at all, really.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Black teddy gets his brains blown out in an episode of 'Supernatural' !!
That's the fourth appearance of the giant teddies in other shows todate.

Light Green - Inspector Gadget
Pink - She Spies
Yellow - The Middleman
Black - Supernatural
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avengerholic wrote:
The Black teddy gets his brains blown out in an episode of 'Supernatural' !!
That's the fourth appearance of the giant teddies in other shows todate.

Light Green - Inspector Gadget
Pink - She Spies
Yellow -
Black - Supernatural


Don't forget the one in The Middleman!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes that was the yellow one Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was Uma Thurman really the filmmakers' first choice? Wasn't Elizabeth Hurley considered for the part, or was that just a rumour?
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Was Uma Thurman really the filmmakers' first choice? Wasn't Elizabeth Hurley considered for the part, or was that just a rumour?


I don't think Hurley was offered the role. But, as this article shows http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,286952,00.html some other names have been suggested (Drew Barrymore, Madeleine Stowe).

It's like the Bond role. A lot of people are suggsted, considered approached... it doesn't mean they were offered these roles. I heard Sharon Stone was suggested too.
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Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
bramford wrote:
Was Uma Thurman really the filmmakers' first choice? Wasn't Elizabeth Hurley considered for the part, or was that just a rumour?


I don't think Hurley was offered the role. But, as this article shows http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,286952,00.html some other names have been suggested (Drew Barrymore, Madeleine Stowe).

It's like the Bond role. A lot of people are suggsted, considered approached... it doesn't mean they were offered these roles. I heard Sharon Stone was suggested too.


I was speaking to a woman the other night at the theatre who said E. Hurley is a a friend of hers and was up for the part. I said to her with all due respect she's a beautiful woman but no actress and that her voice lacks authority for Emma Peel.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Liz Hurley would've been right for the part either. But in my opinion she might have made a better Emma Peel than Uma Thurman...
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were loads of rumoured names flying around before the film, Nicole Kidman being one of them.

Hurley at least wouldn't have been hampered by trying to adopt an English accent.

I do think that "Dr. Emma Peel" was so badly written anyway, I doubt any actor could have made it work.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Dr. Emma Peel"


What a load of b*ll*cks that was. "You can call me Dr Peel/You can call me Mrs Peel..." what a confusing load of cack. It doesn't even make sense as a joke. Laughing

DiVicenzo wrote:

I was speaking to a woman the other night at the theatre who said E. Hurley is a a friend of hers and was up for the part. I said to her with all due respect she's a beautiful woman but no actress and that her voice lacks authority for Emma Peel.


Good for you.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:

I do think that "Dr. Emma Peel" was so badly written anyway, I doubt any actor could have made it work.


Truer words were never spoken.

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