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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These are very good questions, Anti, I'm happy to answer. Very Happy
Earlier we touched on the theme of Russian image in The Avengers relatively Olga in an episode The Correct Way to Kill, where I confirmed that the actress Anna Quayle (by the way, very talented actress) coped well with this role that reminded me of one of the teachers at my school.
As for Old Gorky, his character is one of the most interesting in the episode Legacy of Death, along with Sidney Street and Humbert, but unfortunately I have to disappoint you, he does not look like Russian man in whole.
His mannerisms and accent are too willfully to be true for one of the Russian image in movie & TV and for me personally it is closer to the comedy character of the old Italian comedy.
Only two things can be said that he is trying to play Russian, it's winking eye and breaking of glasses. You could calculate the trader or simply Russian dodger on manner winking eye in the USSR, but at the time I usually feel some kind of trick, and went aside, second, breaking of glasses, I can not say exactly when this idea has formed, but Russian poet Sergei Yesenin loved it.
Breaking of glasses in the USSR was mostly fun for fun people at the table who are either talking about funny incidents or gambled. Sometimes this was done in a sign that you trust each other.
Almost never done this if adults talking about something serious. So breaking glasses - it was a matter of merry people and eccentrics, that well fits for the image Old Gorky. Wink Yes, it makes it Russian, but his actor manners of playing against him.
I love episode Legacy of Death because it was one of the first that I've seen. This is a very good comedy and parody no only on The Maltese Falcon but and on the noir genre. All the actors in their place and their caricatures vividly imprinted. I must say I found this episode more ridiculous than for example the TV series "Get Smart".
I love the actor Tutte Lemkow, as I remember his in all the movies where I saw him. Razz He was already great for me as a dancer in John Huston's 1952 film Moulin Rouge, bit part, but as he is wonderful!

I can confidently say that Clive Revill is good image as Russian in episode Dead Men are Dangerous. I personally believe that this is the best Russian image throughout the whole series. I saw the films of Clive Reville earlier, good actor, but when I first watched him as Mark Crayford, I was amazed. You know, if it was not a familiar face, I would thought that he is guest actor from the USSR. This is how he must convey facial expressions, manner of speech, movement and vision to translate all of this into a nearly perfect shape? I believe it is so professionally that you simply will not be able not to admire this actor. I empathized with his character throughout the episode, I was imbued with emotion and I was sad when he died. Here's what it means - to achieve creative goals and the ability to squeeze out all the possibilities. This gives us the conclusion - Clive Revill is unique actor and I'm sorry that he did not went in the direction of many roles in the classical dramas in film and television.
I can also select an image Grunner in the episode Fog, his speech was not even translated into Russian in Russia. There's a lot of fun for those who understands Russian. Sparkling humor Gunner is almost every sentence: "Hello" instead "Bye", "No, Do not boom boom" etc. Well, when I listened to it all, I thought that Frederick Paisley made ​​a significant contribution to this episode.
Do you remember a Russian diplomat in the episode "The Gladiators"?
I would say that it is - a mixture of Pierre Richard, Russian businessman and a bit my humor. Moreover, all that he spoke about Steed is true that he very Russian. Patrick Macnee in the second season TNA looks in his role very believable as Russian, and the phrase Russian diplomat rather cemented fact. Ha, well, I sometimes imagined the adventures of Steed in Russia, where he would have had a good apartment near Red Square, car Volga, and sometimes be met with old friends like Olga and Brodny.
Incidentally I think Brodny, too, unlikely as the Russian in the episode "The See-Through Man", although significantly better than in the episode "Two's a Crowd". The image is clearly Cartoon and those places where character even hits the clowning, shows how it is different from Russian clowning. Well his clowning characteristic British type, the most obvious point that Russian would simply do not had joke about the dog outside window and the similar final monologue.
Completely implausible is Ivanoff in the episode "The Girl from Auntie." Perhaps the most horrible Russian in the series.
Considering the other characters, it makes sense that mostly Russian in the series were produced better in the later episodes of series.
Thank you so much Denis. This is kind of fascinating. Well my western roots are showing. So it is good to be educated on the subject as we say "straight from the horse's mouth" meaning from the most reliable source. I recall Ivanoff. I don't think he even had an accent come to think of it.

Well it sort of makes sense that Tutte would play the Russian role in a comedic way that was not quite Russian at all. As you said. It is a parody and I thought a really keen observation on your part. Seems to be a parody of ALL film noir not just Maltese Falcon. Actually so true!

Olga I remember well. To me she seemed to be playing the part like a parody of Russians. So she was the real deal? I would have never guessed. Smile like your teacher? YOu must have had an interesting experience in school. Wink her judo flip needed some work for an agent though. Hopefully your school teacher was not a secret agent. Wink

I have to look at the other episodes you mentioned. I don't know if you remember Complex from TNA. Even with my yankee ears, those actors did not really quite sound Russian but am not sure what your thought are.

As far as the glass over the shoulder...on the internet which a source of a lot of misinformation-

Is there any truth that in Russia it is believed that to drink further from a glass used in a toast is to dilute the meaning of the toast? I wondered if there were any superstitious qualities to Gorky throwing the glass. But I can see it would also be just fun merry stuff to throw a glass.

It's true it was a parody but what did you make of Old Gorky drinking so much? And the idea of trying to make a serious deal with Steed while he is getting drunk? In your opinion, if he was drinking Steed's champagne did he trust him? He initially thought it was poison after all. I am guessing this is just pure fun and there is not a single bit of Russian accuracy in the entire scene?

I definitely will check out Clive. I can't recall his episode too well at the moment so I will look.
Acting is not easy. One can be a great actor but if they have the wrong accent, then their performance is not believable. For Halloween, saw Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde from 1941. All famous actors. But the acting was sort of terrible. Ingrid Bergman played a cockney barmaid. She sounded Swedish though. Her acting was admirable but her accent made her performance sort of terrible. She had no English accent at all. They should have gotten Angela Lansbury for the accent at least. Rolling Eyes
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Thank you so much Denis. This is kind of fascinating. Well my western roots are showing. So it is good to be educated on the subject as we say "straight from the horse's mouth" meaning from the most reliable source. I recall Ivanoff. I don't think he even had an accent come to think of it.

Well it sort of makes sense that Tutte would play the Russian role in a comedic way that was not quite Russian at all. As you said. It is a parody and I thought a really keen observation on your part. Seems to be a parody of ALL film noir not just Maltese Falcon. Actually so true!

Olga I remember well. To me she seemed to be playing the part like a parody of Russians. So she was the real deal? I would have never guessed. Smile like your teacher? YOu must have had an interesting experience in school. Wink her judo flip needed some work for an agent though. Hopefully your school teacher was not a secret agent. Wink

I have to look at the other episodes you mentioned. I don't know if you remember Complex from TNA. Even with my yankee ears, those actors did not really quite sound Russian but am not sure what your thought are.

As far as the glass over the shoulder...on the internet which a source of a lot of misinformation-

Is there any truth that in Russia it is believed that to drink further from a glass used in a toast is to dilute the meaning of the toast? I wondered if there were any superstitious qualities to Gorky throwing the glass. But I can see it would also be just fun merry stuff to throw a glass.

It's true it was a parody but what did you make of Old Gorky drinking so much? And the idea of trying to make a serious deal with Steed while he is getting drunk? In your opinion, if he was drinking Steed's champagne did he trust him? He initially thought it was poison after all. I am guessing this is just pure fun and there is not a single bit of Russian accuracy in the entire scene?

I definitely will check out Clive. I can't recall his episode too well at the moment so I will look.
Acting is not easy. One can be a great actor but if they have the wrong accent, then their performance is not believable. For Halloween, saw Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde from 1941. All famous actors. But the acting was sort of terrible. Ingrid Bergman played a cockney barmaid. She sounded Swedish though. Her acting was admirable but her accent made her performance sort of terrible. She had no English accent at all. They should have gotten Angela Lansbury for the accent at least.


I'm sure the topic of how I look at the Russian in the series is quite relative, because would other Russian looked differently, for example, characters such as Brodny, Gunner and the Russian diplomat, but I'm sure about the rest of the characters mentioned in the last message.
For example when Ivanoff shows facial expressions, it is not something that is not like the Russian, he even not as British, it looks a bit American. I do not know why he was chosen for the role of Russian in the Avengers. You have seen that he did ever played the role of Russian?
On the other hand is the same as if to ask, for example, why Terry Wood or Romo Gorrara were chosen for the role of Asians? Frankly, they look so strangely in this makeup, that I have no answer to this question.
Why not Burt Kwouk or Anthony Chin, etc? Rolling Eyes

Wink Many thanks for the correction, Anti, really I meant that the episode Legacy of the Death - a parody of the entire genre of film noir. Well, I must admit that yesterday I came home pretty late, was out of town with my brother, and when I started to write you a message, then the end has already started to fall asleep. So I had to make some additions to the final version, but it seems to have been unable to properly check all the text. I guess I should was to write to you today, but you know, I personally promised you. Smile

Concerning Olga, I might be able to surprise you more:
When I first asked questions for participants Fan Group Steedumbrella about their favorite episodes, it came to an interesting conclusion.
Well as I said the episode "The Joker" is the most favorite episode in Russia for many.
But the episode "The Correct Way to Kill" one of the five favorite episodes all Russian I know (except me). Well it's a good episode, but I would selected the other five. Wink

For example:
Olga Svecharnik (author of reviews on Steedumbrella in past) said:
It is impossible to forget the image of Olga's when I first saw it on Russian TV. She looked so good as Russian.


Olga showed how all this was clearly propaganda on our soviet screen, which as Russians know has given rise to a number of people of such thinking.
I find The Correct Way to Kill as amazing episode, one of the many in the series, which appears to show the ability of the British skillfully demonstrate Russian culture (maybe not on the positive side) and ridicule as well as its principles. Olga is funny character as much as it is serious. The first part of the episode - Olga is as if Russian laughing himself, the second part of the episode - the character of Olga slightly transformed and we see little explicit of idealist Soviet times. You know, this is noticeable that the British were planning to do satire, but in the end we see something quite different.
I never thought the episode as anti-Russian - in the tag, we learn that Steed visited the Russian reception where Olga was, and he showed no animosity, but as usually kidding. The Avengerland! I think if someone thinks it's anti-Russian episode, he poorly watching the episode.

Anti, we can draw certain conclusions. More... You will not see in Russia now people like Olga (well, if only very elderly generation), but you could see it in the perestroika, as these people looked fake. Well I never kept pace with this propaganda and I was the first in school where learned who abandoned pioneer tie. Well, it was boldly, but I was not a bully or somehow revolutionary. I was pretty quiet guy with a different ideology, was a good student (except foreign languages, chemistry & drawing), just when I feel that I can do it, it was the beginning of 1991, last year of the Soviet Union, I decided that I must be myself. Surprisingly, I was the only person without a tie in six months, it seems they were all afraid to be themselves and just acted on orders. That's what the power of influence. Despite the fact that I went without a tie, I have not had any problems with it from the side, but I could see how it inspired pupils on uncertainties. It seems they have not seen caricatures at school that day after day teachers told you how important the views of Lenin and Karl Marx, and it seemed to me that we in some feature movie. Well now you can see why such a real image of Olga. And this is a very strong image, which is why Anna Quayle was chosen for this role. That's why I love this actress and that's why I often do not understand why such, I am not afraid to say, a talentless actors like Terry Wood were in the series.
You can see how big gap regarding acting lies between Anna Quayle and Terry Wood.

Actors in the Complex?
You are right Anti, those actors did not really as Russian.

When the TNA came to Canada, it seems to me that there is already a feeling that there was no setup for actors to show themselves in the role of people of other nations. These are Canadians as Canadians.
Moreover, you can believe that in episode Forward Base, Canadian Malachev is Russian nuclear submarine captain? Well, it looks just like symbols, as if there was some kind of conversation, "Actor Nick will Russian." "Ok, it's a good idea, he can?". "Forget it, we do not have the time to think about it" "He already knows that he has to play Russian?". "No, but it will even more interesting." Laughing
That's example, how we see on the screen Canadian as Canadian, and it would be easier to consider many actors actually as a it - it would be better.
Well, I made an exception for the Russian diplomat in The Gladiators, but I think the actor did try and as I noticed earlier, in his manner was something French as Pierre Richard.

How about broken glass, maybe true that it went with the superstition "smash glasses to happiness", but I have never encountered such an explanation in life. And it seems to me that this statement could appear as a sort of joke, as if someone drank a lot and smashed crockery.
- Why did you do that?
- Like what? Smash glasses to happiness.
- To happiness?! Quite drunk - delirium tremens.
Well, for example, on russian weddings to broke the glass does for happiness.
Nevertheless, I can not take it all seriously, because not all Russian weddings do it, but where there is something fun. So again, I see it just as much fun - well, would not someone in Russia seriously break the glass on happiness. Even if asked. He was just thinking in the right place if he came.

Why Old Gorky drinking so much?
Well, I guess it's sort of traditional thinking about Russian at the time that they drink a lot. Well, this is clearly overkill and considering that now in Russia drink even more than in the 1960s, we can see how the idea hypertrophied.
As for the rest of the scene, yes, I think - it is pure fun. Well planned fun.

Accent of actors is an important part of the image, but as Clive did not speak Russian in episode, I only watch his acting. It would be sad if he said something in broken Russian, so I was appreciate that as a result, it did not happen

Oh, I've seen some versions Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, but not film of 1941. Your review sounds like I'll be disappointed, but I initially had some doubts about this movie when I saw the cast. Well, I'll see him today.
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Thank you so much Denis. This is kind of fascinating. Well my western roots are showing. So it is good to be educated on the subject as we say "straight from the horse's mouth" meaning from the most reliable source. I recall Ivanoff. I don't think he even had an accent come to think of it.

Well it sort of makes sense that Tutte would play the Russian role in a comedic way that was not quite Russian at all. As you said. It is a parody and I thought a really keen observation on your part. Seems to be a parody of ALL film noir not just Maltese Falcon. Actually so true!

Olga I remember well. To me she seemed to be playing the part like a parody of Russians. So she was the real deal? I would have never guessed. Smile like your teacher? YOu must have had an interesting experience in school. Wink her judo flip needed some work for an agent though. Hopefully your school teacher was not a secret agent. Wink

I have to look at the other episodes you mentioned. I don't know if you remember Complex from TNA. Even with my yankee ears, those actors did not really quite sound Russian but am not sure what your thought are.

As far as the glass over the shoulder...on the internet which a source of a lot of misinformation-

Is there any truth that in Russia it is believed that to drink further from a glass used in a toast is to dilute the meaning of the toast? I wondered if there were any superstitious qualities to Gorky throwing the glass. But I can see it would also be just fun merry stuff to throw a glass.

It's true it was a parody but what did you make of Old Gorky drinking so much? And the idea of trying to make a serious deal with Steed while he is getting drunk? In your opinion, if he was drinking Steed's champagne did he trust him? He initially thought it was poison after all. I am guessing this is just pure fun and there is not a single bit of Russian accuracy in the entire scene?

I definitely will check out Clive. I can't recall his episode too well at the moment so I will look.
Acting is not easy. One can be a great actor but if they have the wrong accent, then their performance is not believable. For Halloween, saw Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde from 1941. All famous actors. But the acting was sort of terrible. Ingrid Bergman played a cockney barmaid. She sounded Swedish though. Her acting was admirable but her accent made her performance sort of terrible. She had no English accent at all. They should have gotten Angela Lansbury for the accent at least.


I'm sure the topic of how I look at the Russian in the series is quite relative, because would other Russian looked differently, for example, characters such as Brodny, Gunner and the Russian diplomat, but I'm sure about the rest of the characters mentioned in the last message.
For example when Ivanoff shows facial expressions, it is not something that is not like the Russian, he even not as British, it looks a bit American. I do not know why he was chosen for the role of Russian in the Avengers. You have seen that he did ever played the role of Russian?
On the other hand is the same as if to ask, for example, why Terry Wood or Romo Gorrara were chosen for the role of Asians? Frankly, they look so strangely in this makeup, that I have no answer to this question.
Why not Burt Kwouk or Anthony Chin, etc? Rolling Eyes

Wink Many thanks for the correction, Anti, really I meant that the episode Legacy of the Death - a parody of the entire genre of film noir. Well, I must admit that yesterday I came home pretty late, was out of town with my brother, and when I started to write you a message, then the end has already started to fall asleep. So I had to make some additions to the final version, but it seems to have been unable to properly check all the text. I guess I should was to write to you today, but you know, I personally promised you. Smile

Concerning Olga, I might be able to surprise you more:
When I first asked questions for participants Fan Group Steedumbrella about their favorite episodes, it came to an interesting conclusion.
Well as I said the episode "The Joker" is the most favorite episode in Russia for many.
But the episode "The Correct Way to Kill" one of the five favorite episodes all Russian I know (except me). Well it's a good episode, but I would selected the other five. Wink

For example:
Olga Svecharnik (author of reviews on Steedumbrella in past) said:
It is impossible to forget the image of Olga's when I first saw it on Russian TV. She looked so good as Russian.


Olga showed how all this was clearly propaganda on our soviet screen, which as Russians know has given rise to a number of people of such thinking.
I find The Correct Way to Kill as amazing episode, one of the many in the series, which appears to show the ability of the British skillfully demonstrate Russian culture (maybe not on the positive side) and ridicule as well as its principles. Olga is funny character as much as it is serious. The first part of the episode - Olga is as if Russian laughing himself, the second part of the episode - the character of Olga slightly transformed and we see little explicit of idealist Soviet times. You know, this is noticeable that the British were planning to do satire, but in the end we see something quite different.
I never thought the episode as anti-Russian - in the tag, we learn that Steed visited the Russian reception where Olga was, and he showed no animosity, but as usually kidding. The Avengerland! I think if someone thinks it's anti-Russian episode, he poorly watching the episode.

Anti, we can draw certain conclusions. More... You will not see in Russia now people like Olga (well, if only very elderly generation), but you could see it in the perestroika, as these people looked fake. Well I never kept pace with this propaganda and I was the first in school where learned who abandoned pioneer tie. Well, it was boldly, but I was not a bully or somehow revolutionary. I was pretty quiet guy with a different ideology, was a good student (except foreign languages, chemistry & drawing), just when I feel that I can do it, it was the beginning of 1991, last year of the Soviet Union, I decided that I must be myself. Surprisingly, I was the only person without a tie in six months, it seems they were all afraid to be themselves and just acted on orders. That's what the power of influence. Despite the fact that I went without a tie, I have not had any problems with it from the side, but I could see how it inspired pupils on uncertainties. It seems they have not seen caricatures at school that day after day teachers told you how important the views of Lenin and Karl Marx, and it seemed to me that we in some feature movie. Well now you can see why such a real image of Olga. And this is a very strong image, which is why Anna Quayle was chosen for this role. That's why I love this actress and that's why I often do not understand why such, I am not afraid to say, a talentless actors like Terry Wood were in the series.
You can see how big gap regarding acting lies between Anna Quayle and Terry Wood.

Actors in the Complex?
You are right Anti, those actors did not really as Russian.

When the TNA came to Canada, it seems to me that there is already a feeling that there was no setup for actors to show themselves in the role of people of other nations. These are Canadians as Canadians.
Moreover, you can believe that in episode Forward Base, Canadian Malachev is Russian nuclear submarine captain? Well, it looks just like symbols, as if there was some kind of conversation, "Actor Nick will Russian." "Ok, it's a good idea, he can?". "Forget it, we do not have the time to think about it" "He already knows that he has to play Russian?". "No, but it will even more interesting." Laughing
That's example, how we see on the screen Canadian as Canadian, and it would be easier to consider many actors actually as a it - it would be better.
Well, I made an exception for the Russian diplomat in The Gladiators, but I think the actor did try and as I noticed earlier, in his manner was something French as Pierre Richard.

How about broken glass, maybe true that it went with the superstition "smash glasses to happiness", but I have never encountered such an explanation in life. And it seems to me that this statement could appear as a sort of joke, as if someone drank a lot and smashed crockery.
- Why did you do that?
- Like what? Smash glasses to happiness.
- To happiness?! Quite drunk - delirium tremens.
Well, for example, on russian weddings to broke the glass does for happiness.
Nevertheless, I can not take it all seriously, because not all Russian weddings do it, but where there is something fun. So again, I see it just as much fun - well, would not someone in Russia seriously break the glass on happiness. Even if asked. He was just thinking in the right place if he came.

Why Old Gorky drinking so much?
Well, I guess it's sort of traditional thinking about Russian at the time that they drink a lot. Well, this is clearly overkill and considering that now in Russia drink even more than in the 1960s, we can see how the idea hypertrophied.
As for the rest of the scene, yes, I think - it is pure fun. Well planned fun.

Accent of actors is an important part of the image, but as Clive did not speak Russian in episode, I only watch his acting. It would be sad if he said something in broken Russian, so I was appreciate that as a result, it did not happen

Oh, I've seen some versions Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, but not film of 1941. Your review sounds like I'll be disappointed, but I initially had some doubts about this movie when I saw the cast. Well, I'll see him today.
First of all Denis, your English is very good. I was actually not correcting you. You were confirming what I thought might be true but was not sure about Legacy being spoof of ALL film noir. I began thinking about the spoof. detectives have to hide and here we have an episode with neon bright yellow truck that is the murder vehicle. Laughing On top of it the mobster that leaves a trail of peanut shells or was that popcorn for others to follow his trail. The laughs are endless. So thank you for that. When people say film noir, no one agrees. Like my thought is that Hot Snow -at least the first half is film noir. Shot in black and white, the shooting of Keel's fiancÚ, a weird random act, as the villains got the wrong address Rolling Eyes sort of fits that genre. But when I asked Alan, he did not really think so. So it is a matter of opinion.
Back to Russians in TA. So that is quite interesting. SO let me get this right. Clive never speaks? But his mannerisms are Russian. I never realized that the mannerisms themselves can make you recognize a fellow Russian. Again interesting. By the way, speaking of school teachers, I was reading in the New York Times, that good school books are being thrown away and Putin is giving his friend all the business for school books. Things seem to never change if this is true. But it sounds like many parents and teachers are upset about it and disagree which is a good sign I think. I am glad you are your true self. The fact that you love TA speaks to your individuality.

Now that is quite funny about how accurate Olga is as a RUSSian spy when it clearly was meant to be a spoof. Laughing
Tell me more about the personality of the perestroika. Were they all wanting to be uniform in their thinking and socialist reform? Forgive my ignorance, Denis. But I have to say propaganda is everywhere and well and alive in the US. Just listen to a politician. TA were right when they said plastic politicians.

Oh and the Canadian TNA-that was a great description. Considering that this was what the third country in 2 years, it is lucky that they even completed 4 of them. So true! Some really bad examples of Russians there. I think the English actors in general were better although don't tell Timeless.
Did seem like they were just simply guessing. Then again, it is quite difficult to speak another language. You have a gift with English. So I cannot be too critical of their accents on TNA in Canada. Well no rush in answering. I can only imagine you must have been exhausted. Laughing And you must let us know what you are working on in Steedumbrella-unless it is top secret. Wink
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First of all Denis, your English is very good. I was actually not correcting you. You were confirming what I thought might be true but was not sure about Legacy being spoof of ALL film noir. I began thinking about the spoof. detectives have to hide and here we have an episode with neon bright yellow truck that is the murder vehicle. Laughing On top of it the mobster that leaves a trail of peanut shells or was that popcorn for others to follow his trail. The laughs are endless. So thank you for that. When people say film noir, no one agrees. Like my thought is that Hot Snow -at least the first half is film noir. Shot in black and white, the shooting of Keel's fiancÚ, a weird random act, as the villains got the wrong address Rolling Eyes sort of fits that genre. But when I asked Alan, he did not really think so. So it is a matter of opinion.
Back to Russians in TA. So that is quite interesting. SO let me get this right. Clive never speaks? But his mannerisms are Russian. I never realized that the mannerisms themselves can make you recognize a fellow Russian. Again interesting. By the way, speaking of school teachers, I was reading in the New York Times, that good school books are being thrown away and Putin is giving his friend all the business for school books. Things seem to never change if this is true. But it sounds like many parents and teachers are upset about it and disagree which is a good sign I think. I am glad you are your true self. The fact that you love TA speaks to your individuality.

Now that is quite funny about how accurate Olga is as a RUSSian spy when it clearly was meant to be a spoof. Laughing
Tell me more about the personality of the perestroika. Were they all wanting to be uniform in their thinking and socialist reform? Forgive my ignorance, Denis. But I have to say propaganda is everywhere and well and alive in the US. Just listen to a politician. TA were right when they said plastic politicians.

Oh and the Canadian TNA-that was a great description. Considering that this was what the third country in 2 years, it is lucky that they even completed 4 of them. So true! Some really bad examples of Russians there. I think the English actors in general were better although don't tell Timeless.
Did seem like they were just simply guessing. Then again, it is quite difficult to speak another language. You have a gift with English. So I cannot be too critical of their accents on TNA in Canada. Well no rush in answering. I can only imagine you must have been exhausted. Laughing And you must let us know what you are working on in Steedumbrella-unless it is top secret. Wink


Many thanks for kind words, Anti! Smile
I try to write at an acceptable English, it's great when get good result for readers. Smile

Despite the fact that the main theme of parody in the episode Legacy of Death serves Maltese Falcon, the authors clearly saw in this an opportunity to look wider. Characters sometimes go beyond the persons of the Maltese Falcon, shootings, intrigues, car chases, etc. enable us to recall and other works of noir, for example Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest. I think it's like "Noon Doomsday", there is also present several mixing sets of genre Western. For example, the railroad, in the episode it paid a lot of time as one of the components of the genre, but in the movie " High Noon" it's not a particularly memorable moments, there not accent, etc.

Hmm, by the way, I too have always believed that the prologue of episode Hot Snow is noir, as the plot works together with accompaniment depressive atmosphere and music by John Dankworth. Rolling Eyes Nevertheless, further development leads us away from noir, although I think some elements remain. Confused
On the other hand I find it difficult to talk about the film noir as since I was not particularly fond of this. Yes, I read the works Mickey Spillane, Donald Westlake, Dashiell Hammett and the other, but I always imagined it differently than what I saw on the screen. When you look noir, you feel some "despair" and sometimes "depression narrative", I do not feel it when I read.
For example, I admire the novel The Maltese Falcon ", but when I watched the movie with Humphrey Bogart, I found it a bit boring.
The most terrifying moment in my memory for films noir genre was Deux hommes dans Manhattan (1959) when I saw it I thought that never after going to watch Noir. It's just fatally depressing works for me.
The Avengers operate quite differently. When I watched the prologue Hot Snow, I liked it. Based on this, I can not say exactly - yes, it looks like noir, but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, I am sure that the prologue of the episode has elements of this.

Anti, you can definetely see the culture of man in his manners on screen or stage, if he is a real actor. Wink Many times I have noticed how people watch movies and they can say, for example, actor plays British or American, only for their manners. A striking example, the series "The Persuaders". The main characters - an Englishman and an American. Roger Moore and Tony Curtis play so that you can see it without a word, if you know the cultural principles and manners.
There are some differences between some nations. Of course in life is easy to confuse people, but the on screen and stage things works differently. The viewer should to understand who is who.
If the actors do not try to play, the audience sometimes risking confuse good with evil. Yes, and we have many of these films.
So we are back to Clive Revill, when I saw his mannerisms, his eyes, heard the speech filing in English, and his actions in certain situations, I was excited as he plays Russian without a single word in Russian. I can imagine he would be good to play Russian in silent films. Razz

It's true, Putin is giving his friend all the business for school books. I would no like to touch on this subject at all, since it will be an unpleasant conversation, but I can relate to the other (too bad, but important) that now in Russia is a vital topic privatization of hospitals, educational institutions and cultural heritage. For example, in Moscow there remained only three public hospitals, which are already considering to sell for different enterprises. It will be a terrible blow to many, as paid treatment is very expensive, my grandmother who often is in the hospital, it may be in a difficult situation. You can not sponsor a person constantly, since at some point you realize that you have come to the finish line. And it's really scary when you realize that you can not do anything ... Sad

Communism.

Definitely propaganda is everywhere and will continue to exist as a guiding tool. This is an integral part of any policy and effect driving factors. But the problem is not in the system of propaganda, but the fact that propagate. Well, we often see advertisements in different places, at home, on the street, in transport. People do not always understand the consequences of this or that advertising (propaganda). Very Happy
Communism as a separate operation sought to unite people, to make them unitedly to solve problems. It was like an anthill and this is the strength of this system - we are strong, because I am one of many faces.
Nevertheless, it was dangerous experiment, at the outset, as the system depended on manipulation. Very simple manipulations, since you have to lead not individuals, but only one brain.
So when people have rallied for a long time and many began to think like a brain (helped by the Iron Curtain), it is natural that the politic to start to see in a big plus. Of course the power there began to enforce their own ideas, which is very easy assimilated one brain. If you watched the movie "Critters 2" and remember the scene where creatures are combined into one lump - you can imagine how communism worked, and how it can be used.
But of course you can not control everyone and in this case there were taken some measures or laws that you could go to jail if you do not follow certain principles. So it worked and people often become part of an anthill, as he subsequently long brainwashed and he begins to see how he was wrong. People just served the ideals of Lenin, the Red Army and cherished laws of the revolution.
All this should answer your many questions, Anti. Wink

Well, Anti, I can only speak as one person of the Russian nation, I believe that the Canadian actors played as if they did not care who they are playing.. But I must admit on this topic I would like to hear Canadian to well analyze this question. I can think of only one person I know that would be great would fit for this role, it's Canadian J. Ferguson. I'm sure it would be a blast discussion and we would come to certain conclusions.
Well, time will tell.

In last days I'm working on a reorganization of Steedumbrella pages, preparing to post a new section "Blu-ray: The Avengers" and something else, as many will know in the coming days. Wink
Thanks for the questions, Anti. Very Happy
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First of all Denis, your English is very good. I was actually not correcting you. You were confirming what I thought might be true but was not sure about Legacy being spoof of ALL film noir. I began thinking about the spoof. detectives have to hide and here we have an episode with neon bright yellow truck that is the murder vehicle. Laughing On top of it the mobster that leaves a trail of peanut shells or was that popcorn for others to follow his trail. The laughs are endless. So thank you for that. When people say film noir, no one agrees. Like my thought is that Hot Snow -at least the first half is film noir. Shot in black and white, the shooting of Keel's fiancÚ, a weird random act, as the villains got the wrong address Rolling Eyes sort of fits that genre. But when I asked Alan, he did not really think so. So it is a matter of opinion.
Back to Russians in TA. So that is quite interesting. SO let me get this right. Clive never speaks? But his mannerisms are Russian. I never realized that the mannerisms themselves can make you recognize a fellow Russian. Again interesting. By the way, speaking of school teachers, I was reading in the New York Times, that good school books are being thrown away and Putin is giving his friend all the business for school books. Things seem to never change if this is true. But it sounds like many parents and teachers are upset about it and disagree which is a good sign I think. I am glad you are your true self. The fact that you love TA speaks to your individuality.

Now that is quite funny about how accurate Olga is as a RUSSian spy when it clearly was meant to be a spoof. Laughing
Tell me more about the personality of the perestroika. Were they all wanting to be uniform in their thinking and socialist reform? Forgive my ignorance, Denis. But I have to say propaganda is everywhere and well and alive in the US. Just listen to a politician. TA were right when they said plastic politicians.

Oh and the Canadian TNA-that was a great description. Considering that this was what the third country in 2 years, it is lucky that they even completed 4 of them. So true! Some really bad examples of Russians there. I think the English actors in general were better although don't tell Timeless.
Did seem like they were just simply guessing. Then again, it is quite difficult to speak another language. You have a gift with English. So I cannot be too critical of their accents on TNA in Canada. Well no rush in answering. I can only imagine you must have been exhausted. Laughing And you must let us know what you are working on in Steedumbrella-unless it is top secret. Wink


Many thanks for kind words, Anti! Smile
I try to write at an acceptable English, it's great when get good result for readers. Smile

Despite the fact that the main theme of parody in the episode Legacy of Death serves Maltese Falcon, the authors clearly saw in this an opportunity to look wider. Characters sometimes go beyond the persons of the Maltese Falcon, shootings, intrigues, car chases, etc. enable us to recall and other works of noir, for example Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest. I think it's like "Noon Doomsday", there is also present several mixing sets of genre Western. For example, the railroad, in the episode it paid a lot of time as one of the components of the genre, but in the movie " High Noon" it's not a particularly memorable moments, there not accent, etc.

Hmm, by the way, I too have always believed that the prologue of episode Hot Snow is noir, as the plot works together with accompaniment depressive atmosphere and music by John Dankworth. Rolling Eyes Nevertheless, further development leads us away from noir, although I think some elements remain. Confused
On the other hand I find it difficult to talk about the film noir as since I was not particularly fond of this. Yes, I read the works Mickey Spillane, Donald Westlake, Dashiell Hammett and the other, but I always imagined it differently than what I saw on the screen. When you look noir, you feel some "despair" and sometimes "depression narrative", I do not feel it when I read.
For example, I admire the novel The Maltese Falcon ", but when I watched the movie with Humphrey Bogart, I found it a bit boring.
The most terrifying moment in my memory for films noir genre was Deux hommes dans Manhattan (1959) when I saw it I thought that never after going to watch Noir. It's just fatally depressing works for me.
The Avengers operate quite differently. When I watched the prologue Hot Snow, I liked it. Based on this, I can not say exactly - yes, it looks like noir, but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, I am sure that the prologue of the episode has elements of this.

Anti, you can definetely see the culture of man in his manners on screen or stage, if he is a real actor. Wink Many times I have noticed how people watch movies and they can say, for example, actor plays British or American, only for their manners. A striking example, the series "The Persuaders". The main characters - an Englishman and an American. Roger Moore and Tony Curtis play so that you can see it without a word, if you know the cultural principles and manners.
There are some differences between some nations. Of course in life is easy to confuse people, but the on screen and stage things works differently. The viewer should to understand who is who.
If the actors do not try to play, the audience sometimes risking confuse good with evil. Yes, and we have many of these films.
So we are back to Clive Revill, when I saw his mannerisms, his eyes, heard the speech filing in English, and his actions in certain situations, I was excited as he plays Russian without a single word in Russian. I can imagine he would be good to play Russian in silent films. Razz

It's true, Putin is giving his friend all the business for school books. I would no like to touch on this subject at all, since it will be an unpleasant conversation, but I can relate to the other (too bad, but important) that now in Russia is a vital topic privatization of hospitals, educational institutions and cultural heritage. For example, in Moscow there remained only three public hospitals, which are already considering to sell for different enterprises. It will be a terrible blow to many, as paid treatment is very expensive, my grandmother who often is in the hospital, it may be in a difficult situation. You can not sponsor a person constantly, since at some point you realize that you have come to the finish line. And it's really scary when you realize that you can not do anything ... Sad

Communism.

Definitely propaganda is everywhere and will continue to exist as a guiding tool. This is an integral part of any policy and effect driving factors. But the problem is not in the system of propaganda, but the fact that propagate. Well, we often see advertisements in different places, at home, on the street, in transport. People do not always understand the consequences of this or that advertising (propaganda). Very Happy
Communism as a separate operation sought to unite people, to make them unitedly to solve problems. It was like an anthill and this is the strength of this system - we are strong, because I am one of many faces.
Nevertheless, it was dangerous experiment, at the outset, as the system depended on manipulation. Very simple manipulations, since you have to lead not individuals, but only one brain.
So when people have rallied for a long time and many began to think like a brain (helped by the Iron Curtain), it is natural that the politic to start to see in a big plus. Of course the power there began to enforce their own ideas, which is very easy assimilated one brain. If you watched the movie "Critters 2" and remember the scene where creatures are combined into one lump - you can imagine how communism worked, and how it can be used.
But of course you can not control everyone and in this case there were taken some measures or laws that you could go to jail if you do not follow certain principles. So it worked and people often become part of an anthill, as he subsequently long brainwashed and he begins to see how he was wrong. People just served the ideals of Lenin, the Red Army and cherished laws of the revolution.
All this should answer your many questions, Anti. Wink

Well, Anti, I can only speak as one person of the Russian nation, I believe that the Canadian actors played as if they did not care who they are playing.. But I must admit on this topic I would like to hear Canadian to well analyze this question. I can think of only one person I know that would be great would fit for this role, it's Canadian J. Ferguson. I'm sure it would be a blast discussion and we would come to certain conclusions.
Well, time will tell.

In last days I'm working on a reorganization of Steedumbrella pages, preparing to post a new section "Blu-ray: The Avengers" and something else, as many will know in the coming days. Wink
Thanks for the questions, Anti. Very Happy
Well it is good to hear confirmation about Hot now being film noir and then changed from there and evolved. I will have to check out Deux hommes dans Manhattan (1959). I never saw it but it sounds good. In general, I feel much the same. I am not a fan of all film noir. But when they were good, they were excellent. A lesser known Hollywood film from 1949 that was filmed in San Francisco and Los Angeles was probably one of the best films I ever saw. You may want to look at some point. It is called D. O. A. and is about a man who was mistaken by a gang of swindlers and murderers that he knew about their corruption and turn them in to the police. (Spoiler alert).All he did was sign a receipt of theirs. They poison his drink in a bar which takes a day or 2 to work. As his doctor told him,"You have just been murdered". The rest of it is a frenzied chase to find his killers before he dies. And he does. He literally drops dead at the police station, hence its name Dead on Arrival. Cannot recommend this movie more. It is so good. Much better than Maltese Falcon that is hard to follow.

Well you are very right about the visual observation. I never thought about that but there are mannerisms that are a give away of where that person is from. I will look at Clive as I find that interesting.

Well we don't have to get into politics. We just had an election here. I have decided it is corrupt here as there. Perhaps just differently. In some countries there are open bribes. In the US, the big money corporations just make what is illegal into a legal law they get passed.

I am so sorry to hear about your grandmother. I do hope she will feel better. So is it extremely costly for private insurance. I am guessing it must be. In THe US we have the most cost in medical insurance. It takes up nearly 20 percent of our earnings. Well enough about this depressing stuff. Rolling Eyes But it is interesting to hear your perspective. I don't believe that living here we get the real truth.

Oh and not to go over the same thing, as you must be tired of my same question. I am writing the chapter for Rodney on Legacy of death. So my last question on Old Gorky. When Old Gorky thinks that Steed wants more money for the daggar and keeps increasing the price, the reality is that Steed really does not have the daggar then and is telling the truth. But Gorky thinks Steed is just negotiating to get more money. Is there anything Russian about that behavior? You mention the system there works on manipulation. Is that what Gorky thinks is happening, in part because that is the way it is in his own country?Or perhaps just universal code between spy agents Cool Spying is not a truthful business in any country.
Please take your time to answer. I know you are working hard on your site. And yes would love to chat with Timeless, the Canadian Avenger Laughing expert. Sadly she is not posting here anymore Crying or Very sad
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Well it is good to hear confirmation about Hot now being film noir and then changed from there and evolved. I will have to check out Deux hommes dans Manhattan (1959). I never saw it but it sounds good. In general, I feel much the same. I am not a fan of all film noir. But when they were good, they were excellent. A lesser known Hollywood film from 1949 that was filmed in San Francisco and Los Angeles was probably one of the best films I ever saw. You may want to look at some point. It is called D. O. A. and is about a man who was mistaken by a gang of swindlers and murderers that he knew about their corruption and turn them in to the police. (Spoiler alert).All he did was sign a receipt of theirs. They poison his drink in a bar which takes a day or 2 to work. As his doctor told him,"You have just been murdered". The rest of it is a frenzied chase to find his killers before he dies. And he does. He literally drops dead at the police station, hence its name Dead on Arrival. Cannot recommend this movie more. It is so good. Much better than Maltese Falcon that is hard to follow.

Well you are very right about the visual observation. I never thought about that but there are mannerisms that are a give away of where that person is from. I will look at Clive as I find that interesting.

Well we don't have to get into politics. We just had an election here. I have decided it is corrupt here as there. Perhaps just differently. In some countries there are open bribes. In the US, the big money corporations just make what is illegal into a legal law they get passed.

I am so sorry to hear about your grandmother. I do hope she will feel better. So is it extremely costly for private insurance. I am guessing it must be. In THe US we have the most cost in medical insurance. It takes up nearly 20 percent of our earnings. Well enough about this depressing stuff. Rolling Eyes But it is interesting to hear your perspective. I don't believe that living here we get the real truth.

Oh and not to go over the same thing, as you must be tired of my same question. I am writing the chapter for Rodney on Legacy of death. So my last question on Old Gorky. When Old Gorky thinks that Steed wants more money for the daggar and keeps increasing the price, the reality is that Steed really does not have the daggar then and is telling the truth. But Gorky thinks Steed is just negotiating to get more money. Is there anything Russian about that behavior? You mention the system there works on manipulation. Is that what Gorky thinks is happening, in part because that is the way it is in his own country?Or perhaps just universal code between spy agents Cool Spying is not a truthful business in any country.
Please take your time to answer. I know you are working hard on your site. And yes would love to chat with Timeless, the Canadian Avenger Laughing expert. Sadly she is not posting here anymore Crying or Very sad


I have been considering plans to watch a movie D.O.A. long time ago, and when the time came, my choice was the 1988 version. Well, if original was not in a genre "noir", then I would definitely start watching with this version 1950. Smile Now I suspect it was my fault. Sad
The plot of the story is quite interesting, but as for 1988 version the embodiment of very flat and gray.
No interest to the characters, no memorable scenes, no good directing and operator moves and so on.
Of the actors I liked only Daniel Stern, who was trying to highlight its character among the stereotypes, but maybe the director demands limits his ability which to be seen on the screen. Well, I do not think Daniel Stern is great actor, but in this film he really stood out. Although undoubtedly in whole, his merits - is comedies.
Oh, after this terrible movie, 1988, I decided that I would not look original. Years have passed and now finally appears criterion that made me reconsider my opinion. I will watch it in the coming days. Wink Thanks, Anti! Very Happy

And by the way, I saw Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Ingrid Bergman, I think I largely agree with you, and even Rouben Mamoulian version looks better, although falls into unnecessary grotesque.

I can add about playing Clive Revill as the Russian more very important details:
I very liked that the script for his character was not standard in some nuances.
Well, when people unfamiliar with the Russian way of life in the USSR was asked: "What are the three things that for you associated with the Russian", we could hear something like "Large queues at the store, matryoshka and vodka" or "balalaika, cap with earflaps and vodka ", etc .. Laughing Ha, I remember the vodka has almost always been a major symbol in the association with the Russian. Laughing It always listen very funny to me, because when you in the USSR, you could see the matryoshka only on Red Square and in some stores, people with balalaika only in the center of Moscow, a scene or music institutions. Russian vodka? You could see Russian more often with other alcoholic beverages, such as tincture, brew beer or simply, bright beer!
Well, I remember how I asked long time ago one Russian his association with the United States - he immediately blurted out, "Coca-Cola" Laughing
It all sounded really very funny for me, as Coca-Cola has already was even in the Soviet Union in the late 1980s.

Rolling Eyes Thus, when Clive Revill in the Russian way of drinking beer at the bar, it was for me a great respect for the script Razz , because I simply would not appreciate it if I saw again the stereotypical "stage" image Russian with vodka. I must say, this is a very good script.
Although Mark Crayford was drinking beer at a bar in the UK and just remembering the old days, a real Russian, for example if he only drinks vodka, would not love very drink beer. Thus, as Clive Revill shows the real Russian, I believe that he was drinking beer and in their homeland. He never said the word "vodka" in episode TNA, at all.

At the beginning of the episode Clive Revill looks out the window when talking with the doctor, it is in the manner of Russian. They love to look out the window. Well, when I'm sitting at a laptop and I get tired, I sometimes enough to come to the window, to watch, so distracted, then come back and I feel great. Well this is one of the good methods for some Russian, I know. Clive Revill perfectly portrays all this.
Russian is also very fond of boxing. Fighting technique some Russian even posed in terms of boxing.
If you look at the scene where Mark Crayford intimidates Hara, he puts his hand or tries to hit as in manner Russian.
You will not see another actor as Russian in The Avengers & TNA, which would be so petty to details.
That's the real manners.

Any policy based on the fact that to give something for the truth, and something for the distorted information. In another case, if there is one lie, there is a great risk that it will quickly become obvious to many people that can create problems, as for the absolute truth, it is impossible, as it would not be an effective policy, sad but true.
So it works, so that in any given country, different information and the difficulty lies in the fact that you can get confused to understand what's what. So I'm not surprised that you have received some kind of truth in the US, but I would be surprised if you get always a lie.
In Russia, there are also open bribes, and the system is in many ways similar to the US, given that the Russian took the direction to the procedure in the US mid-1990.

Thank you, Anti, for your condolences to my grandmother. Smile
If everything will so bad with the hospitals here, I definitely will use costly health insurance.

No, Anti, I'm not tired of your same questions, I see that you have an interest to explore the topic more deeply. Wink
You writing the chapter for Rodney on Legacy of death? Razz It's surprise for me. Well done, Anti! Very Happy I believe it already covers a good amount of pages! Wink

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When Old Gorky thinks that Steed wants more money for the daggar and keeps increasing the price, the reality is that Steed really does not have the daggar then and is telling the truth. But Gorky thinks Steed is just negotiating to get more money. Is there anything Russian about that behavior?


This dialogue is part of the scheme "comedy of errors" that in the TV series "The Avengers" is often used, and was one of the successful elements of humor.
They loved it - someone talks about some object, and the other understands it differently. I'm sure this scene works in the same way.

Hmm, I think that approach's Old Gorky to a method of Trade can not be attributed to specific sources. It may be Russian, European, Asian, etc system. The fact that he uses cunning and close one eye - there's Russian roots, but as I said, he looks for me more like a character of Italian comedy. I can easy to imagine his in this way, such as in the films with Paolo Villaggio (although I do not like his movies and watched them only as an employee on the video market for knowledge) or Roberto Benigni.

Universal code between spy agents?

We can not consider it at all, Anti Wink
1. Seriously, universal codes are ineffective for spies, as it turns out that a spy from one country has a access to get information from the other in another country such procedure, and then send the results to your supervisor. Rolling Eyes Codes must operate in a narrow system since it espionage and not the policy. Wink
2. Old Gorky clearly does not look like a spy. He drinks too much at such an important time as the negotiations, this would was bobble for real spy. He is clearly just an ordinary bandit, dodger and hunter dagger. Smile
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Oh you must see the Edmond O'Brien version 1949 filmed in San Francisco. It shows a most accurate depiction of San Francisco at the time, the trolley cars, streets remain looking very similar. The best building in DOA is the Bradbury building. I put the link below so you can see the inside. It is the PERFECT film noir building!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bradbury+building&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=5E0A28531984C75A05B3CDD838AED173D96ABA23&selectedIndex=0

it was in many movies such as Blade Runner. In real life it is sitting next to some McDonald's like place in a bad neighborhood in los angeles. But the inside as you can see is brilliant. It has an interesting story behind it too, but I digress.

I would say that most movies are best as the original. Although maybe you can think of exceptions. If you see it let me know what you think. I am so glad you agree on Dr. Jeckyll. I am usually not too critical, but talk about miscasting.

As far as the traditional Russian vodka,etc. and other things you mention, I am glad you told me as that is exactly what I think of! Laughing
You must be so very tired of the Russian drinking vodka playing the balalaika. Wow I have no idea how to spell that. But in fact recently I ran into the most amazing balalaika player, and naturally he was from Russia. He barely spoke English but he said he was from Siberia and was traveling?? Cannot imagine where he meant in Siberia but I figure it is no stereotype that it doesn't get much colder!

Now this is a very different topic, but you mention boxing. There was a show in the US that ran around the same time as The Avengers that I think was equally as clever. It also had DM's and strange eccentric types but was set in the American West. It was called the Wild Wild West. The reason I mention it, is the stunt men were all boxers and the same ones through the series. They would put on disguises as not to be recognized. The main form of fighting in the West ( at least this show) was boxing. The lead actor Robert Conrad, was in fact a semi professional boxer and so were his stuntmen and he did his own stunt work. No doubles for this man. I think the stunts were better on this show than on TA. And the stories were also full of science fiction including a midget named Dr. loveless who was capable of destroying the world, naturally. Most funny.

I have a short memory. Which TA episode was Clive in? I saw he was in TNA Dead Men are Dangerous. I find it interesting that you recognize all these subtle moves and immediately know its Russian-looking out the window? Laughing
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I have a short memory. Which TA episode was Clive in? I saw he was in TNA Dead Men are Dangerous. I find it interesting that you recognize all these subtle moves and immediately know its Russian-looking out the window? Laughing


I meant that you will not find the other actors in the The Avengers & TNA, which will be as well in details as Clive Revill. Wink

That's what I had mainly in mind in relation to my English. I can write something, but result will be understood readers very differently, and I will know about it only after the response. Laughing

Yes, of course, all that is close to your nation points to certain conclusions. It's hard work, a set of facial expressions, manners, movements and feelings into a coherent whole - you can definitely see it by looking at the example of silent film actors.
As for rest I will write to you tomorrow, Anti! Wink
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Very interesting about Clive Revill's acting style as a defector who spent a long time in Russia. He was a very talented and clever man.
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anti-clockwise wrote:
Oh you must see the Edmond O'Brien version 1949 filmed in San Francisco. It shows a most accurate depiction of San Francisco at the time, the trolley cars, streets remain looking very similar. The best building in DOA is the Bradbury building. I put the link below so you can see the inside. It is the PERFECT film noir building!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bradbury+building&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=5E0A28531984C75A05B3CDD838AED173D96ABA23&selectedIndex=0

it was in many movies such as Blade Runner. In real life it is sitting next to some McDonald's like place in a bad neighborhood in los angeles. But the inside as you can see is brilliant. It has an interesting story behind it too, but I digress.

I would say that most movies are best as the original. Although maybe you can think of exceptions. If you see it let me know what you think. I am so glad you agree on Dr. Jeckyll. I am usually not too critical, but talk about miscasting.

As far as the traditional Russian vodka,etc. and other things you mention, I am glad you told me as that is exactly what I think of! Laughing
You must be so very tired of the Russian drinking vodka playing the balalaika. Wow I have no idea how to spell that. But in fact recently I ran into the most amazing balalaika player, and naturally he was from Russia. He barely spoke English but he said he was from Siberia and was traveling?? Cannot imagine where he meant in Siberia but I figure it is no stereotype that it doesn't get much colder!

Now this is a very different topic, but you mention boxing. There was a show in the US that ran around the same time as The Avengers that I think was equally as clever. It also had DM's and strange eccentric types but was set in the American West. It was called the Wild Wild West. The reason I mention it, is the stunt men were all boxers and the same ones through the series. They would put on disguises as not to be recognized. The main form of fighting in the West ( at least this show) was boxing. The lead actor Robert Conrad, was in fact a semi professional boxer and so were his stuntmen and he did his own stunt work. No doubles for this man. I think the stunts were better on this show than on TA. And the stories were also full of science fiction including a midget named Dr. loveless who was capable of destroying the world, naturally. Most funny.

I have a short memory. Which TA episode was Clive in? I saw he was in TNA Dead Men are Dangerous. I find it interesting that you recognize all these subtle moves and immediately know its Russian-looking out the window? Laughing


Thanks for the photos, Anti. I will make a special emphasis on Bradbury building at watching the film. Very Happy

Yes, the original of films is often most successful when it is not only outdated, or initially failed. In fact there are many exceptions, which sometimes make me think that I'm from the minority. For example among the known films, I like more the American version The Vanishing than the original Spoorloos, since it's more suspense and emotionally, I like more The Shining 1997, because thereb are really an interesting scenes, while the original is more like a boring story about the dippy little family, etc.

Ha, true, I do not really like to look at the stereotypes in the movie, but I understand that this is built any entertaining film.
The most viewers should feel free and understood everything that happens on the screen in terms of writing and directing.
Based on this, the stereotypes are necessary to make it immediately clear who is who. Kvas - Russian, "Coke" - American. Laughing
And it is always a positive thing, when suddenly in the film, you will learn a fellow on the grounds that in fact are usually not used in an entertaining movie. Well, for some of the characters we can love The Avengers even more. Wink

Amazing balalaika player from Siberia?
Well, you can meet them there. After perestroika Moscow has changed a lot and now you will see Balalaika player only in those regions of Russia, who live on the old principles. There are areas (a few) outside Moscow, in which you come and get even in real communism. They live conservative views and do not accept any changes. You go to the store or establishment furnished by the old principle, you see people with balalaika and harmony, people in costumes of the time, kolkhoz, old customs and street names such as Lenin Street. Wink

1960s were a very successful creative period in different directions. Unfortunately I have not seen Wild Wild West, but in your words, I feel like it was made in the best traditions of the time.
As for fighting battles, I think that the creators of the Avengers soften it that it did not seem so cruel and so it could be aimed at a wider audience.
For example, parents could to see in fights in the Avengers something like parody or frivolous, and thus allow own children to watch the show.
Well I'm sure that one of the components of this was that creators of series of course want for more big sales of show abroad, so starting with the 4 seasons, the Avengers became more humorous.
This lack of professional fights in the series was done purposefully, or if we consider it from another angle, we can conclude that they frankly tinker.
I doubt that they could do such risk, and as for unserious tone of fights is bright example - Steed's fights in the episode "Escape in Time" Wink
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Very interesting about Clive Revill's acting style as a defector who spent a long time in Russia. He was a very talented and clever man.


Good words, Frankymole!
I often think of Clive Revill, when I watch different foreign films and find actors there as Russian. Clive demonstrated a master class in TNA, his image was at the same time sad, confident, intelligent and mysterious. I will remember it always. Smile
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Oh you must see the Edmond O'Brien version 1949 filmed in San Francisco. It shows a most accurate depiction of San Francisco at the time, the trolley cars, streets remain looking very similar. The best building in DOA is the Bradbury building. I put the link below so you can see the inside. It is the PERFECT film noir building!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bradbury+building&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=5E0A28531984C75A05B3CDD838AED173D96ABA23&selectedIndex=0

it was in many movies such as Blade Runner. In real life it is sitting next to some McDonald's like place in a bad neighborhood in los angeles. But the inside as you can see is brilliant. It has an interesting story behind it too, but I digress.

I would say that most movies are best as the original. Although maybe you can think of exceptions. If you see it let me know what you think. I am so glad you agree on Dr. Jeckyll. I am usually not too critical, but talk about miscasting.

As far as the traditional Russian vodka,etc. and other things you mention, I am glad you told me as that is exactly what I think of! Laughing
You must be so very tired of the Russian drinking vodka playing the balalaika. Wow I have no idea how to spell that. But in fact recently I ran into the most amazing balalaika player, and naturally he was from Russia. He barely spoke English but he said he was from Siberia and was traveling?? Cannot imagine where he meant in Siberia but I figure it is no stereotype that it doesn't get much colder!

Now this is a very different topic, but you mention boxing. There was a show in the US that ran around the same time as The Avengers that I think was equally as clever. It also had DM's and strange eccentric types but was set in the American West. It was called the Wild Wild West. The reason I mention it, is the stunt men were all boxers and the same ones through the series. They would put on disguises as not to be recognized. The main form of fighting in the West ( at least this show) was boxing. The lead actor Robert Conrad, was in fact a semi professional boxer and so were his stuntmen and he did his own stunt work. No doubles for this man. I think the stunts were better on this show than on TA. And the stories were also full of science fiction including a midget named Dr. loveless who was capable of destroying the world, naturally. Most funny.

I have a short memory. Which TA episode was Clive in? I saw he was in TNA Dead Men are Dangerous. I find it interesting that you recognize all these subtle moves and immediately know its Russian-looking out the window? Laughing


Thanks for the photos, Anti. I will make a special emphasis on Bradbury building at watching the film. Very Happy

Yes, the original of films is often most successful when it is not only outdated, or initially failed. In fact there are many exceptions, which sometimes make me think that I'm from the minority. For example among the known films, I like more the American version The Vanishing than the original Spoorloos, since it's more suspense and emotionally, I like more The Shining 1997, because thereb are really an interesting scenes, while the original is more like a boring story about the dippy little family, etc.

Ha, true, I do not really like to look at the stereotypes in the movie, but I understand that this is built any entertaining film.
The most viewers should feel free and understood everything that happens on the screen in terms of writing and directing.
Based on this, the stereotypes are necessary to make it immediately clear who is who. Kvas - Russian, "Coke" - American. Laughing
And it is always a positive thing, when suddenly in the film, you will learn a fellow on the grounds that in fact are usually not used in an entertaining movie. Well, for some of the characters we can love The Avengers even more. Wink

Amazing balalaika player from Siberia?
Well, you can meet them there. After perestroika Moscow has changed a lot and now you will see Balalaika player only in those regions of Russia, who live on the old principles. There are areas (a few) outside Moscow, in which you come and get even in real communism. They live conservative views and do not accept any changes. You go to the store or establishment furnished by the old principle, you see people with balalaika and harmony, people in costumes of the time, kolkhoz, old customs and street names such as Lenin Street. Wink

1960s were a very successful creative period in different directions. Unfortunately I have not seen Wild Wild West, but in your words, I feel like it was made in the best traditions of the time.
As for fighting battles, I think that the creators of the Avengers soften it that it did not seem so cruel and so it could be aimed at a wider audience.
For example, parents could to see in fights in the Avengers something like parody or frivolous, and thus allow own children to watch the show.
Well I'm sure that one of the components of this was that creators of series of course want for more big sales of show abroad, so starting with the 4 seasons, the Avengers became more humorous.
This lack of professional fights in the series was done purposefully, or if we consider it from another angle, we can conclude that they frankly tinker.
I doubt that they could do such risk, and as for unserious tone of fights is bright example - Steed's fights in the episode "Escape in Time" Wink
You make some good points Denis. I did not think of those movies you mention where the later remake was better. It does happen. And yes failed outdated can be the best. DOA is an example. at the time the movie was made it was not popular and it is of course outdated. But wicked good and I think it is well regarded now by some. Now that is interesting on Clive. He really was Russian? No wonder he was so good! Laughing and authentic! I think you would not only have to be talented to copy Russian gestures, you would have to see the real thing or know Russian people to copy. So these Russian types that stay in the old traditions, are far away from the cities I assume? The equivalent here I am guessing of the small town that has not changed. Keeps with the old traditions.

You really do understand TA well. THat is a great point. The fights in general could be exciting, but especially in the Tara era, looked exactly like tinkering. Many criticize her form of fighting but I think it was like you said. Meant to tinker. It was meant to never show blood or get too real or violent. The other show Wild Wild West was spectacular, fight scenes or one where he crashed through a wall, but the actor said it was really like "violent ballet". I think those were his words. Something about ballet. yoU Would never know it for sure but I suppose it must have felt like a dance so to speak. But that is very keen of you. THat is really another feature of Avengerland that fights were really not meant to be terribly real or violent. Not sure what you think of Mrs. Peel's fight scenes, but I guess that might be true in general. My favorite scene in Legacy besides the pearl fizzling, was the HUGE cherry picker (truck) in bright yellow that is missed by all (except Steed of course.) Wow how could anyone miss that spectacle. They sure had a sense of humour. Back to Clive, have you seen him in other films, or just TA and do you know more about him? as Franky mentions he defected from Russia?
And just curious, I assume that if you met some one from a nearby country, Lithuania, for example, they would appear very different to you in mannerisms, I would assume. And have to ask you about kvas. Can one get drunk on it or is it really unnoticeable? It sounds intriguing. Sort of a flavored beer Laughing ? It sounds as if it could be delicious or taste really bad. What flavors does it come in and can you tell there is alcohol in it? Perhaps I just have to make a batch in my cellar Laughing Laughing as I would have no idea where to buy it here. And I would likely poison myself if it was homemade. Rolling Eyes
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You make some good points Denis. I did not think of those movies you mention where the later remake was better. It does happen. And yes failed outdated can be the best. DOA is an example. at the time the movie was made it was not popular and it is of course outdated. But wicked good and I think it is well regarded now by some. Now that is interesting on Clive. He really was Russian? No wonder he was so good! Laughing and authentic! I think you would not only have to be talented to copy Russian gestures, you would have to see the real thing or know Russian people to copy. So these Russian types that stay in the old traditions, are far away from the cities I assume? The equivalent here I am guessing of the small town that has not changed. Keeps with the old traditions.

You really do understand TA well. THat is a great point. The fights in general could be exciting, but especially in the Tara era, looked exactly like tinkering. Many criticize her form of fighting but I think it was like you said. Meant to tinker. It was meant to never show blood or get too real or violent. The other show Wild Wild West was spectacular, fight scenes or one where he crashed through a wall, but the actor said it was really like "violent ballet". I think those were his words. Something about ballet. yoU Would never know it for sure but I suppose it must have felt like a dance so to speak. But that is very keen of you. THat is really another feature of Avengerland that fights were really not meant to be terribly real or violent. Not sure what you think of Mrs. Peel's fight scenes, but I guess that might be true in general. My favorite scene in Legacy besides the pearl fizzling, was the HUGE cherry picker (truck) in bright yellow that is missed by all (except Steed of course.) Wow how could anyone miss that spectacle. They sure had a sense of humour. Back to Clive, have you seen him in other films, or just TA and do you know more about him? as Franky mentions he defected from Russia?
And just curious, I assume that if you met some one from a nearby country, Lithuania, for example, they would appear very different to you in mannerisms, I would assume. And have to ask you about kvas. Can one get drunk on it or is it really unnoticeable? It sounds intriguing. Sort of a flavored beer Laughing ? It sounds as if it could be delicious or taste really bad. What flavors does it come in and can you tell there is alcohol in it? Perhaps I just have to make a batch in my cellar Laughing Laughing as I would have no idea where to buy it here. And I would likely poison myself if it was homemade. Rolling Eyes


Recently I watched original film DOA and it's definitely more interesting version than 1988. Nevertheless, in general, I was not able to enjoy the result, now it is very obvious that "noir" is not my genre. The atmosphere and ambiance are gray, the scene with the jazz ensemble performance a bit annoying, I felt this was necessary piece (unlike Venus Smith episodes where I can enjoy the musical numbers), the incarnation of the plot is not very intriguing and sometimes sags. Oh, even though I watched this movie with difficulty, I think, for the noir genre - it's a good sample. Well written characters, great humor and direction.

Anti, no, Clive Revill is not Russian, he was born and trained as an actor in New Zealand. Later he moved to England.
Frankie meant that Clive Revill played a defector in TNA who spent a long time in Russia. Wink

By the way Clive played a Chinese in film One of Our Dinosaurs Is Missing (1975), I wonder he managed it as well as Russian in the New Avengers? Very Happy

As for the Soviet actors abroad and old traditions, I noticed that the actor without his own style often adapted to the environment. Such examples are full, bright sample from the Russian - Alexander Godunov.
Actors with their own style (which is very little), for example Savely Kramarov often remain true to themselves in almost every country, as the style is their trademark.
So if Clive Revill would be Russian, I'm not sure that he wanted to be so meticulously portray his character, he would have tried to distort the image or make it conditional. Rolling Eyes Well this was a trend of Soviet actors from USSR if they leave the homeland, for them it was already a stranger. If for certain reasons they were playing Russian abroad, they deliberately distorted the image showing his or implausible or negative caricature or contingent, well, in any case, there was always a certain artificiality. After perestroika views have changed. Wink

The most realistic battles were with Cathy Gale. Mrs. Peel was the first woman who worked in direction to soften it, mainly for the US market, I must say, fights with her participation looked very factitiously. Linda Thorson, thanks to her acrobatic skills, was able to demonstrate fights more professionally. Sadly, Brian Clemens rules did not worked in the US and the Avengers still considered cruel show due to the number of murders and the presence of violence in general, although it was very conditional.

Yes, I have seen many films with Clive Revill. I think the best years for him were in 1970s. He played Russian in Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (1970), memorable role in Legend of Hell House (1973), interesting role in Black Windmill (1974) etc, but his Mark Crayford in TNA is my favorite Clive's character. Very Happy

Well, manners depend on aspects such as the way of life in a individual system, adaptation and trends. You can go somewhere and to find same manners like you if people live by the same principles. In another near area can meet other people. This is life and there is no principle of cinema - some stereotypes or obsessions. So I do not know who I can meet in Lithuania, rather it will be different people, but I know the type and manner of Russian, if I'm going to watch entertaining foreign cinema, where they are present. Wink

There are plenty of varieties of kvas, Basically, I would call it as decoction of black bread with additives, it's unforgettable pleasant taste. Very Happy
Kvas, which are sold in shops in Russia or non-alcoholic or a maximum of 1 degree. But if you buy in the market from private traders, the it can reach 5 degrees, but no more.

In Russia still has a lot of fans of kvas.
I remember how in the Soviet Union, many children (including me) always drank a mug of kvas before going to the cinema and it seemed to me that this is something like a tradition. Well, you felt much better and went to watch for example, wonderful film Labyrinth with David Bowie.
On many streets in USSR were located entire tanks with kvas, you came with a can, bucket or something else and seller poured a few liters you. That was great memorable kvas. Smile
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Ah Kvas. Well I finally ran into a Ukranian woman that told me I could find kvas in Russian store locally. Can't wait to try. Sounds delicious. Sorry to hear you did not like DOA. I am not a fan of film noir really either. But I do like DOA. I have been looking more into it as Legacy that I am writing about as a chapter for Rodney is really film noir which you really pointed out nicely to me. All film noir as you said.

Your observations of people are most interesting and perceptive. Seriously good. And the more I hear Old Gorky I realize he is not Russia. It is funny that you say the Russian actors that leave try to leave Russia and their accents and mannerisms so to speak behind. Too bad but I suppose it helps them to have the continental accent. Sounds kind of phoney in old movies I have to say.

When will your interviews start? Will be most interesting to read.

You know I think one disadvantage Honor Blackman had was that everything was live. I bet the other girl Avengers had the advantage of shooting over a fight scene if it went wrong. And Honor clearly had her fights so worked out and staged. That had to be more pressure on her than on the rest. Not that it was easy for any of them.

BTW I once had a friend that after visiting Russia bought back chocolate bar. They said it was pretty inexpensive to buy. It was probably the best I ever tasted. Do you have any idea the brand name? Also if I go to the Russian store anything else you recommend I try? Cool
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Kvas? Never heard that before, but it looks like it is similar to what's known in Germany as "Malzbier" or "Malztrunk", it's a dark and mostly sweet beer with a very low or even minimal fermentation, alcohol-by-volume content must be less than 0.5%. It's very popular as an energy drink with children for its high carbohydrate content and sweet taste.
Sound like Kvas is a bit more bitter or sourly?
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Ah Kvas. Well I finally ran into a Ukranian woman that told me I could find kvas in Russian store locally. Can't wait to try. Sounds delicious. Sorry to hear you did not like DOA. I am not a fan of film noir really either. But I do like DOA. I have been looking more into it as Legacy that I am writing about as a chapter for Rodney is really film noir which you really pointed out nicely to me. All film noir as you said.

Your observations of people are most interesting and perceptive. Seriously good. And the more I hear Old Gorky I realize he is not Russia. It is funny that you say the Russian actors that leave try to leave Russia and their accents and mannerisms so to speak behind. Too bad but I suppose it helps them to have the continental accent. Sounds kind of phoney in old movies I have to say.

When will your interviews start? Will be most interesting to read.

You know I think one disadvantage Honor Blackman had was that everything was live. I bet the other girl Avengers had the advantage of shooting over a fight scene if it went wrong. And Honor clearly had her fights so worked out and staged. That had to be more pressure on her than on the rest. Not that it was easy for any of them.

BTW I once had a friend that after visiting Russia bought back chocolate bar. They said it was pretty inexpensive to buy. It was probably the best I ever tasted. Do you have any idea the brand name? Also if I go to the Russian store anything else you recommend I try? Cool


Great, Anti, if you are going to buy kvas in Moscow, I can advise the brand "Russian gift" (Русский дар) or "Mug and Barrel" (Кружка и бочка). I do not advise to take the "Ochakovo", which will advertise in some stores, it's imitation kvas with excess water and more sweet than standart.
Well, the movie DOA well filmed as a whole, and if around the plot would be used, so to speak, formula of success The Avengers, I think I would have liked it. Wink

I remember when I watched episode Legacy of Death in the 1990s, I thought it was filmed specifically for the pleasure of those who do not like noir. Well, I enjoyed it. Now I see that this is an excellent tribute to the genre in parody way and I continue to enjoy it. Very Happy

It was a problem for some Soviet actors abroad, they understand things not quite right. Living behind the Iron Curtain in the Soviet Union, they have definitely a distorted concept of life abroad, mainly for the more honest look, they could only be repelled by someone's opinion or the study of the actual product in other countries. So when they got there and thought that they would start a new life in a slightly different way than in the USSR, in reality they are faced with many other things, which simply did not taking in right thinking, for example, the approach to Russian actors abroad at the time. Many Russian actors reorganized itself, but in reality it just killed them, they were an imitation of Russians or other nations. So it looked often fake.
Nevertheless, I must admit that really great Russian actors do not ever leave the USSR forever, for logical reasons. Wink

The premiere of the interview very soon - on 29 November. Smile

It was one of the reasons why the fight scenes with Honor Blackman looked more realistic, since many things recorded on videotape in one take.
When you have some takes, you can adjust the choreography, to smooth the fight or make it more pliable, thus turning it into a kind of artificial ballet. When there was Diana Rigg, there were chosen the most smoothed takes. If it looks somewhere rigidly, they putting it aside.
I'm sure sometimes Honor Blackman had even to improvise the fight, because even if you have rehearsed material on the set, may go something wrong, and you must include its own "motor".
For example, in the fight scene at the cemetery in the episode "Mandrake" Honor really knocked out wrestler Jackie Pallo. That's what dedication and responsibility to get it right in one take.

I think that you have tasted the chocolate which was made at the factory Red October, which still produces the goods of the same quality as many years ago. Razz Ah, it's hard to give up this chocolate. Wink

Other traditional Russian food - dumplings, kefir (a-la yogurt), russian bagels and more, depending on what is your preferences. Wink
Unfortunately ice cream in Russia completely spoiled and I have not seen any similar in taste as in the USSR. Sad
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Kvas? Never heard that before, but it looks like it is similar to what's known in Germany as "Malzbier" or "Malztrunk", it's a dark and mostly sweet beer with a very low or even minimal fermentation, alcohol-by-volume content must be less than 0.5%. It's very popular as an energy drink with children for its high carbohydrate content and sweet taste.
Sound like Kvas is a bit more bitter or sourly?


Hmm, I have not tried "Malzbier". Confused but I think it should be in some Moscow stores, I will look the other day. Smile
Well, in Russia it is possible to stumble upon a kvas that will be similar to the beer, but that's not it. It must not be bitter, but may be slightly acidic. By the way on German language kvas sounds like a kwas. Wink
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Ah Kvas. Well I finally ran into a Ukranian woman that told me I could find kvas in Russian store locally. Can't wait to try. Sounds delicious. Sorry to hear you did not like DOA. I am not a fan of film noir really either. But I do like DOA. I have been looking more into it as Legacy that I am writing about as a chapter for Rodney is really film noir which you really pointed out nicely to me. All film noir as you said.

Your observations of people are most interesting and perceptive. Seriously good. And the more I hear Old Gorky I realize he is not Russia. It is funny that you say the Russian actors that leave try to leave Russia and their accents and mannerisms so to speak behind. Too bad but I suppose it helps them to have the continental accent. Sounds kind of phoney in old movies I have to say.

When will your interviews start? Will be most interesting to read.

You know I think one disadvantage Honor Blackman had was that everything was live. I bet the other girl Avengers had the advantage of shooting over a fight scene if it went wrong. And Honor clearly had her fights so worked out and staged. That had to be more pressure on her than on the rest. Not that it was easy for any of them.

BTW I once had a friend that after visiting Russia bought back chocolate bar. They said it was pretty inexpensive to buy. It was probably the best I ever tasted. Do you have any idea the brand name? Also if I go to the Russian store anything else you recommend I try? Cool


Great, Anti, if you are going to buy kvas in Moscow, I can advise the brand "Russian gift" (Русский дар) or "Mug and Barrel" (Кружка и бочка). I do not advise to take the "Ochakovo", which will advertise in some stores, it's imitation kvas with excess water and more sweet than standart.
Well, the movie DOA well filmed as a whole, and if around the plot would be used, so to speak, formula of success The Avengers, I think I would have liked it. Wink

I remember when I watched episode Legacy of Death in the 1990s, I thought it was filmed specifically for the pleasure of those who do not like noir. Well, I enjoyed it. Now I see that this is an excellent tribute to the genre in parody way and I continue to enjoy it. Very Happy

It was a problem for some Soviet actors abroad, they understand things not quite right. Living behind the Iron Curtain in the Soviet Union, they have definitely a distorted concept of life abroad, mainly for the more honest look, they could only be repelled by someone's opinion or the study of the actual product in other countries. So when they got there and thought that they would start a new life in a slightly different way than in the USSR, in reality they are faced with many other things, which simply did not taking in right thinking, for example, the approach to Russian actors abroad at the time. Many Russian actors reorganized itself, but in reality it just killed them, they were an imitation of Russians or other nations. So it looked often fake.
Nevertheless, I must admit that really great Russian actors do not ever leave the USSR forever, for logical reasons. Wink

The premiere of the interview very soon - on 29 November. Smile

It was one of the reasons why the fight scenes with Honor Blackman looked more realistic, since many things recorded on videotape in one take.
When you have some takes, you can adjust the choreography, to smooth the fight or make it more pliable, thus turning it into a kind of artificial ballet. When there was Diana Rigg, there were chosen the most smoothed takes. If it looks somewhere rigidly, they putting it aside.
I'm sure sometimes Honor Blackman had even to improvise the fight, because even if you have rehearsed material on the set, may go something wrong, and you must include its own "motor".
For example, in the fight scene at the cemetery in the episode "Mandrake" Honor really knocked out wrestler Jackie Pallo. That's what dedication and responsibility to get it right in one take.

I think that you have tasted the chocolate which was made at the factory Red October, which still produces the goods of the same quality as many years ago. Razz Ah, it's hard to give up this chocolate. Wink

Other traditional Russian food - dumplings, kefir (a-la yogurt), russian bagels and more, depending on what is your preferences. Wink
Unfortunately ice cream in Russia completely spoiled and I have not seen any s lar in taste as in the USSR. Sad
You know I may have time to go past a Russian store tomorrow. I will take the list you gave me. Heavens knows how you can read that stuff Laughing It all looks Greek to me. Seriously the symbols look cool. Just incomprehensible to this westerner. Is there possible another brand of Russian chocolate that is popular? I ordered it once online but it was stale. I will try the Red Chocolate-maybe it is even better than what I tasted.
And here is a real crisis for you. Apparently it is predicted that the world will run out of chocolate by 2020 with the current rate of consumption. THis truly is depressing. I cannot imagine life without chocolate. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
This is all making me hungry. Well I can see you are working hard and I think we're all excited to hear the interviews.
That would be terrible as a Russian actor to see all the fakes: sort of like the Maltese Falcon. Worthless piece of junk, at least in the movie. In real life, seriously Denis, it sold for over 4 million dollars last year. This 45 pound heavy prop that was made of metal of some sort-just a prop. Who in their right mind would spend that? The piano for Casablanca is going on sale in a few days. Looks like a cheap piece of junk. No doubt it will go for millions as well. Just give me a piece of chocolate and kvas and I'll be happy. Wink
You are right I think. Legacy did sort of make fun of film noir. Some of it is kind of silly, but Legacy I agree was a hilarious episode. Probably one of my favorites. But that changes daily. Glad you liked it too.
As far as the fight scenes, have to give Honor Blackman a lot of credit. Like you said-more important than life itself, was finishing the scene. Laughing Thankfully Jackie Pallo lived through it. Well we are all anxiously awaiting the interview. Have fun with it most importantly!
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