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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
denisrigg wrote:

Also, I translated an dutch article about Patrick Macnee, who talks about keeps himself young by cell therapy, which are expected to slow down the aging process.
It seems to have worked! We should all look into it, if it can keep us as young for our age as Mr Macnee always is.


He was shooting for eighty, but he's certainly done much better than that!
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Thanks so much for posting all these, Denis. There are a couple of shots of Joanna I've never seen before in the last two TNA articles that you posted, which is great. Very Happy

They're interesting reads, though over the years, I've learned you have to take some of what's printed in articles with a grain of salt. There's often a bit of licence taken, or someone hasn't quite checked their facts, and things get twisted a bit. I suspect by "episode 27" they actually mean Obsession, as I've read a couple of other Dutch articles where they made a big deal about Purdey's love life being explored. Ditto the bit where they say Joanna wanted to quit the show to just stay at home with her son Jamie and Michael Kitchen. Joanna sent Jamie to boarding school, so there wouldn't have been much point in staying home as he wasn't around anyway, except when he was on holidays (hence why both Joanna and Gareth both flew their kids out to Canada during the summer, rented a two-bedroom hotel suite together, and hired a nanny to watch them while they formed). I can see Joanna being pretty burnt out by the end of TNA and wanting to take a breather, but the idea that she had given it all up to stay home full-time seems a bit unlikely. But it's really interesting to read something from Dennis Spooner's perspective for a change. Smile


True observation, Jay! Very Happy
When read these articles, notice the errors, even in seemingly well-known facts, such as the year of events or history The Avengers.
Sometimes there are preconceptions of the author, which makes it difficult to understand where the truth and fiction. However, when you read something that say the actors themselves - certainly believe that. Although we do not know for sure. Here, perhaps more important reputation of the author or the newspaper.
I also think it was stupid to Joanna abandon the series on the grounds she suddenly decided to give up all this for the sake of the household. I believe that Joanna have a tendency to this was, but she did not accent on that. Maybe she just mentioned it in some interview, and as usual it happens, everyone started to exaggerate.
Her a commitment to the house has I think for the reason that it was hard to be on the set of the show in Canada. Everything was not as good, approach from Canadian producers have change, style series has represented something of the spirit of "The Avengers meet Professionals ", but it did not work. When her contract ended, she withdrew from the project.

Hmm, my ridiculous fantasy, but I wonder if the planned three canadian episodes would be shooting with Gambit and Steed. Without Purdey! Was it possible?
Probably the failure of Joanna after four (from seven) canadian episodes affected on something else went wrong and it stopped. What else was there (if was) - is unknown.

Outcome: newspapers - is, as expected, the gossip, but still even there you can find something useful. Some obvious facts. Well, these facts from newspapers that helped us to take a fresh approach to the production of the second season of The New Avengers and helped discover many of the details of various events in the Avengerworld.
This was enough that I delved into it. Very Happy
Yet let us not forget about the rare photos that sometimes we come across. Wink

And just for you, Jay, an article in which there is Gareth, which is the first time arrived in the Netherlands. And that certainly nice, there are obvious facts. Only such articles - deserve this respect. Very Happy

http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsteedumbrella.site90.com%2Fsteedumbrella_publications_1978_october_17.html

I wish for everyone enjoy reading together with Timeless (aka Jay for me). Wink


P.S.\ Jay, I almost (well, not even almost) sure that the mention of "episode 27" was actually mean Obsession. I did not think about it when read it - thoughts were on the number 27, and the rest was already behind. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True observation, Jay! Very Happy
When read these articles, notice the errors, even in seemingly well-known facts, such as the year of events or history The Avengers.
Sometimes there are preconceptions of the author, which makes it difficult to understand where the truth and fiction. However, when you read something that say the actors themselves - certainly believe that. Although we do not know for sure. Here, perhaps more important reputation of the author or the newspaper.
I also think it was stupid to Joanna abandon the series on the grounds she suddenly decided to give up all this for the sake of the household. I believe that Joanna have a tendency to this was, but she did not accent on that. Maybe she just mentioned it in some interview, and as usual it happens, everyone started to exaggerate.
Her a commitment to the house has I think for the reason that it was hard to be on the set of the show in Canada. Everything was not as good, approach from Canadian producers have change, style series has represented something of the spirit of "The Avengers meet Professionals ", but it did not work. When her contract ended, she withdrew from the project.

Hmm, my ridiculous fantasy, but I wonder if the planned three canadian episodes would be shooting with Gambit and Steed. Without Purdey! Was it possible?
Probably the failure of Joanna after four (from seven) canadian episodes affected on something else went wrong and it stopped. What else was there (if was) - is unknown.

Outcome: newspapers - is, as expected, the gossip, but still even there you can find something useful. Some obvious facts. Well, these facts from newspapers that helped us to take a fresh approach to the production of the second season of The New Avengers and helped discover many of the details of various events in the Avengerworld.
This was enough that I delved into it. Very Happy
Yet let us not forget about the rare photos that sometimes we come across. Wink

And just for you, Jay, an article in which there is Gareth, which is the first time arrived in the Netherlands. And that certainly nice, there are obvious facts. Only such articles - deserve this respect. Very Happy

http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsteedumbrella.site90.com%2Fsteedumbrella_publications_1978_october_17.html

I wish for everyone enjoy reading together with Timeless (aka Jay for me). Wink


P.S.\ Jay, I almost (well, not even almost) sure that the mention of "episode 27" was actually mean Obsession. I did not think about it when read it - thoughts were on the number 27, and the rest was already behind. Very Happy


Oh, I love reading period articles, and I certainly appreciate you posting them. They definitely do fill in some of the gaps left by the conventional sources. But they do need to be looked at with a critical eye. Even quotes that are supposedly attributed to the actors aren't always completely reliable--sometimes they were saying what they were told to say for the sake of publicity, despite being of the complete opposite opinion (a lot of Joanna's quotes about Purdey's clothes, from the stockings to the new French fashions, fall into that category). And some quotes are complete fabrications--I have one Dutch article that, strangely, acts as though it's interviewed the characters rather than the actors, which makes it hard to give some of what's said much credence.

I tend to think there's a measure of exaggeration going on in the article claiming Joanna dropped everything to just stay at home. It's no secret she was pretty fed up and exhausted by the end (she had a mini-meltdown during the filming of one Canadian episodes), but I think there were a number of factors at work, i.e. she was overworked, hadn't been paid regularly, battered up from the stuntwork, the production side was a mess, and sick of being away from home. So I can believe she took a post-TNA break, but the idea that she dropped everything and decided to be a housewife doesn't quite ring true to me.

I suspect that Joanna being fed up was just one factor among many in the end of the show as well. She was under a five-year contract, and I suspect if they really wanted to keep her, they could have made her stay on, just as they could have made Diana Rigg film one more episode in addition to The Forget-Me-Not, but chose to let her off. My guess is they did the same thing with TNA. Brian Clemens had more or less moved on and was already prepping The Professionals in TNA's last days, and was pretty royally sick of the whole funding mess (and not keen on filming in Canada), so given all the problems that were going on, Joanna not being happy may have just been the last straw. Had everything been going swimmingly otherwise, they could have forced her to stay on, or released her and recast without killing the show. But I suspect TNA was dying a long, slow death long before Joanna reached her limit.

I would have loved to have some solo Steed/Gambit episodes, but given the emphasis placed on having an Avengers girl, the idea of them going back to the two boys format a la Steed and Keel would be pretty unlikely. Nice dream, though. Wink

Nice little piece on Gareth in the Netherlands. I may be reading it wrong, but it sounds like Upstairs, Downstairs hadn't finished running over there at that point, which is interesting. It's as if it was running concurrently with TNA, so he was known as much for one as the other. Gareth also had to take a trip during the filming of TNA's second season to appear on an UpDown PBS special, so that series followed him around for quite awhile. Thanks for that! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jay, thank you for the detailed last post, I totally agree with everything the above. Very Happy
Need to have a critical approach and a good knowledge to discern errors in the articles. I come across some articles that I did not translate, because sometimes you get in the fiction, where author convinces a reader that he knows the subject. On another occasion, confronted with so many errors that the consideration of the article can not be talk. Well, Dutch article that acts as though it's interviewed the characters rather than the actors - this is a special case. Some form of publicity.

You understand about Upstairs, Downstairs correctly, series hadn't finished running in Netherlands at that point. And frankly, I was impressed that the TV station KRO has received 2.000.400 dollars within a few minutes from the public for that broadcast the series continued... It is large sum of money.


So, we move on to another interesting article. Very interesting, because very few people know who was the backup of Diana Rigg before Cyd Child.
Who is it?
This we learn in the article of dutch newspaper "Nieuwe Leidsche Courant" from 1 november 1969.

http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsteedumbrella.site90.com%2Fsteedumbrella_publications_1969_november_1.html

Happy reading! Wink
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Interesting. Strange we've never heard of her--I always got the impression that they went from poor Billy suffering the indignities of the wig and leather, straight to Cyd. I wonder how long she was there for? Another great find, Denis. Smile
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It's hard to say, Jay, how long Friedel Frank worked as an understudy Diana Rigg. But according to this article, she has worked on the series until the departure of Diana. I think that her main work has been in season 4, and in 5 season she was doing minimal things (I do not know, perhaps Friedel was more costly, and the producers were easier to work with Cyd Child).

Here are some images Friedel:

1.
Heinz Browers - manager in Germany. He and German ''Emma Peel'' Friedel Frank.
http://pictures.historicimages.net/pictures/_5/4575/4574611.jpg

2.
http://www.popscreen.com/p/MTU3MDcxMjA2/Press-Photo-German-Emma-Peel-Friedel-Frank-Holding-Handgun

3.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Friedel-Frank-TOP-AK-80er-Orig-Sign-u-a-Eine-Bombe-fur-den-Scheich-44826-/110908929250?_trksid=m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BIEW%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D110914593061%26ps%3D50#ht_1903wt_905

Well, she very good looks and has features of face a like to Diana.

If I find anything else about Friedel, then I'll be writing about it. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It just seems weird that we wouldn't see her in credits or the like, and that no one ever mentioned her, including Cyd and Diana. I don't think I've "spotted" her, either--I can usually tell when Billy pops up, and Cyd's fairly distinctive, but I don't recall ever noticing Emma being doubled by a woman for a stunt and it not looking like Cyd. Perhaps they only used her for really technical stuff?
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sorry for double post.
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I know there are stunt doubles and what are they called--body doubles? Meaning they use body doubles for shots that are doubling but just not stunts. Was Friedel definitely doing stunts or just briefly body doubling?
Sorry if I don't have that right but I just wondered since I never heard of her either.
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anti-clockwise wrote:
I know there are stunt doubles and what are they called--body doubles? Meaning they use body doubles for long distance shots or lets just say shots that are doubling but just not stunts. Was Frieda definitely doing stunts or just briefly doubling?
Sorry if I don't have that right but I just wondered since I never heard of her either.


I was wondering about that as well--if she was a body double rather than a stunt double--but then they emphasise her judo skills, which suggests that she was doing stuntwork. Either way, it's confusing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friedel Frank - a real mystery. Question Question Question
I searched through all the free and part of paid of the German newspaper archives, but found nothing. Absolutely Nothing!

Hmm... If this girl was so eager for glory, then why she could not attract enough attention? It's getting more and more interesting.
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I sure hope someone on this board knows. You have certainly discovered a mystery Denis! Question
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I think the mystery Friedel Frank was solved. Very Happy
All the details in topic "Friedel Frank".

I will remove this article from Steedumbrella.
When the author admits such errors, we do not know how much truth there is.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, loyal Avengerfans. Smile
Steedumbrella presents an interesting article: interview with Joanna Lumley on set of episode "Gnaws".

Among other things, Joanna says that there was a offering to filming TNA in Ireland. And something about the Michael Feeney (Callan). Who is he?

This we learn in the article of irish newspaper "Sunday Independent" from 31 october 1976.

http://steedumbrella.site90.com/steedumbrella_publications_1976_october_31.html

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denisrigg wrote:
Hello, loyal Avengerfans. Smile
Steedumbrella presents an interesting article: interview with Joanna Lumley on set of episode "Gnaws".

Among other things, Joanna says that there was a offering to filming TNA in Ireland. And something about the Michael Feeney (Callan). Who is he?

This we learn in the article of irish newspaper "Sunday Independent" from 31 october 1976.

http://steedumbrella.site90.com/steedumbrella_publications_1976_october_31.html

Happy reading! Wink


More new stuff--thanks, Denis! Very Happy Poor Joanna really did go through a lot on the show--oil in her hair doubling for sewer slime? Lovely. Wink

Michael Feeney certainly didn't write for TNA, but he did do an episode of The Professionals. Perhaps he submitted a script, but it was never used? Or Brian Clemens had his eye on him and he was just apprenticing? Or the article's gone and made something up out of whole cloth again.

Unless I missed it, I didn't see anything in the article about Joanna saying they were thinking of filming TNA in Ireland, just that she had family there and had been herself. Quite the opposite--she says they wanted to steer clear of real-world stuff. Maybe if the Irish had offered funding, they would have changed their minds. Wink
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Unless I missed it, I didn't see anything in the article about Joanna saying they were thinking of filming TNA in Ireland, just that she had family there and had been herself. Quite the opposite--she says they wanted to steer clear of real-world stuff. Maybe if the Irish had offered funding, they would have changed their minds. Wink


Thank you, Jay! Smile
I erroneously understood it in their own way - when translated into Russian. It seemed to me that the reference of Joanna to TNA in Ireland, there has been a certain context. It was felt that the Irish would like to see an episode of The New Avengers, where the heroes decide to Irish question with the North. And maybe there was a proposal to production it, but Joanna explained why it definitely will not.
But still, I did jump to conclusions.
I understood the phrase "We keep away from current situations" as "We keep away from current offers". Laughing Although I read in English easily, sometimes I get in ambiguous situations. Russian thinking is affected.
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denisrigg wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Unless I missed it, I didn't see anything in the article about Joanna saying they were thinking of filming TNA in Ireland, just that she had family there and had been herself. Quite the opposite--she says they wanted to steer clear of real-world stuff. Maybe if the Irish had offered funding, they would have changed their minds. Wink


Thank you, Jay! Smile
I erroneously understood it in their own way - when translated into Russian. It seemed to me that the reference of Joanna to TNA in Ireland, there has been a certain context. It was felt that the Irish would like to see an episode of The New Avengers, where the heroes decide to Irish question with the North. And maybe there was a proposal to production it, but Joanna explained why it definitely will not.
But still, I did jump to conclusions.
I understood the phrase "We keep away from current situations" as "We keep away from current offers". Laughing Although I read in English easily, sometimes I get in ambiguous situations. Russian thinking is affected.


Translations are funny things that way--subtle changes can make a world of difference. Language is infinitely fascinating for that reason. Smile

I suspect Joanna was using the situation in Ireland as an example of the kind of real-world plot they wouldn't use on the show because she was talking to an Irish paper. Maybe some people would have liked to have seen it referenced, but I doubt it was ever a proposed story idea.
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Unfortunately, I have officially to report that the site "Steedumbrella" on the current hosting eliminated. Crying or Very sad
The site was closed on August 22, for the following reason:

TOS: Excessive disk inode usage (17438 inodes), overloading the server.

Firstly, there are no such restrictions in rules and services of the hosting.
Secondly, 17438 inodes - it's quite a bit for the site, which was granted 1500 megabytes of free space.

This is certainly required in order that I began to find out the real reason, and everything was pretty simple - money.

Yesterday I answered a lot of letters from Russian fans regarding this situation. I will present some of them here, in the answers which I reveal details on the present problems and move forward in life.

So ...

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Writes co-founder of the fan club, Aleksei Sidorov (M). Denis, what's wrong with the site? Does not work any pages.

(DC) Unfortunately, the site is eliminated, along with the database. Reason: excess uploads.
Very unexpected for a fan club, and more.
I turned to the forum and found people with the same problem. We found out that the limit of uploaded files (by the way this is not specified in the services and the rules of the hosting) 6000 files. But Steedumbrella exceeded the norm in December last year. No complaints have been reported, and almost all continued to work smoothly as before.

(After 15 minutes)
All turned out - hosting is full of resources and experiences difficulties. They decided to remove sites that do not bring them profit.
Accordingly, we fall under the category of liquidation.

(M) Denis, what are your plans?

(DK) I decided, the site will be placed on a paid hosting. I think it makes no sense to go back to the free fares. Site is more than 500 megabytes -
requires no less than 1500 for its development. I already have a few options.

(M) Denis, hello! Have they eliminated the database, without giving time for the move?

(DC) The situation is such that they were forced to do it. They started having problems due to overload (at least to me it was reported by one of the customers of the hosting with the same problems). We were eliminated, and only then admin of hosting reported of it. It was a very bad time. I was going to do an exclusive updating of Steedumbrella. I got stuff from J. Ferguson regarding fanzine "With Umbrella, Charm and Bowler" and with his permission, was planning to publish the info of content and covers of many issues. I've already started work and it happened. The site has been eliminated.

(M). Denis, you're not planning to move to the hosting of the community The Avengers?

(DC) It's too high bar. I plan to move to a hosting where I can use the method of payment through an electronic wallet - no credit card.
I do not have a credit card and at an early future is not going to have it. In fact, there are no problems with hosting companies that provide payment method through an electronic wallet. However, the hosting, where was Steedumbrella, provided only PayPal.

(M) When is the opening of the site on a paid hosting?

(DC) Not until September. Moving - always a thing of bustle. You need to test all the possibilities, then to agree to a new residence.

(M) Denis, why do you informed about closure of the site only now?

(DK) I considered several options of agreement with administrators that Steedumbrella could return. One of the options - split Steedumbrella at three parts (sites) - in order to keep within a limited amount of files (6000).
However, this and other options have not been approved by administration and the yesterday they have officially informed that more such sort of sites in do not need.

(M) Denis, what kind of reaction about closure of the Steedumbrella abroad?
(DK) I still have not publicly informed this news abroad - BUT ... privately ... My friend and colleague, Alan Hayes, has already expressed condolences. Also J. Ferguson. They are the special persons to me.
This was enough for me to try to return the site to its previous hosting. Now - alas!
But Steedumbrella back! This is no doubt.
I think the most difficult times for the site (2009 - 2010), were left behind.

Thank you all for your attention! Smile





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Crying or Very sad I'm sorry to hear that. I tried to visit your site, thought first there would be some kind of maintainance or something. Loved it especially for it's music section Crying or Very sad .
I hope there'll be a new Russian the Avengers Fansite soon!
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I know I've said it once already, but I was incredibly sorry to hear about all this trouble with your host. Your site has had loads of work put into it, and it shows. It's a great resource, and it would be a shame and a loss to the fandom to lose it. I'm glad you're not giving up on it. We'll all be here, waiting for it to return. Very Happy
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