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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:49 am    Post subject: Steedumbrella: The Avengers in Russia Reply with quote

Especially for the loyal fans of the Avengers I decided to create this topic.
Thanks to many who are really interested in the topic of "The Avengers and Russia".

I apologize in advance for my English. Embarassed

Many are familiar with the Russian club Steedumbrella, which made ​​itself felt abroad recently. It was somewhat surprising - the club of the Avengers in Russia? Shocked Is this a joke? Shocked
Smile
Frankly, many in Russia too surprised that there is such a club. Very Happy

Hmm...

Nevertheless, the series was shown in Russia at the right time (early 1990s) and it gave up - many calls on television to repeating of the Avengers (nothing like this has not been demonstrated before). It was done, but gave not the same result - Russian television has been flooded with foreign products. The Avengers was drowned in the stream and the public focus has shifted to other things - it meant that the show could be removed from the broadcast network and no longer shown. Here it was my necessary to radically change something. Or should have been united people fighting for their own interests, or Russian TV loses face, showing everything - any western products. It was wrong - there was a feeling that no one's emphasis on quality of the product, it was like a television chaos. Crying or Very sad
I think that this rebellion and interest for the Avengers influenced on the creation of the fan-club, known today as Steedumbrella.

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Information from Steedumbrella:

The idea of the fan-club came in January 1995, during the broadcasting of The Avengers on the russian TV channel "St. Petersburg." At the time, the future author and founder of the club, Denis Kirsanov, organized the shows of episodes the Avengers in his home.

In late 1995, he met with Aleksei Sidorov (man which in future is mainly contributed to the popularization of the club with the help of his short stories, anecdotes, etc., dedicated to the TV series) and by the beginning of next year, arose the community.

In 1997, is the main activity of the community (focus was on own short stories and audiobooks), and the results will soon bring success. People (mostly fellow students) are beginning to show interest to the Avengers. Appears the club.

My fresh comment: Very Happy
Then we have constantly changed the title of the club - first was the "Beehive" then "Five minutes," etc. It was special plan to create a name for the club, not to mention the TV series or anything associated with the Avengers - it was necessary to attract a lot of people, among whom were people not particularly positive opinion about the show. People listened our audio club with some fancy name (first recording was made in 1997), and do not notice how they started to like the Avengerworld. Very Happy

In the period 1997 - 2011 the club has collected interesting and rare materials about series, as well as short stories and books from Russian fans. Among other things, Denis Kirsanov added "STEEDCLUB" brochures with puzzles, quizzes, skits, etc. Today, the club continues to activity.


Thanks to Alan Hayes was made the breakthrough abroad. Alan helped to popularize the Steedumbrella and it certainly affected on rapid development of site. Smile I am very pleased to cooperate with him.

I will be glad to answer any questions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Denis,
So lovely that you have a fan club. I loved your posts from the other thread and it is good you are starting this topic. So when was the first time Avengers was shown in Russia? Was it in the 90's? What era of Avengers tends to be the favorite in Russia?
By the way, I don't know if it is just me but I can't get the link to your fan club to open.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for starting the topic, Denis. I am surprised that you have not done so before, as your site deserves people's attention.

The standard of research is at times mindblowing. It's certainly one of a handful of sites (Steedumbrella, Mrs Peel We're Needed and TheAvengers.TV) that I refer to on a regular basis when working on my Avengers projects, be they for the web, print or video.

I know that people probably think "what use is a website in Russian to me?", but these days it is very easy to translate into English, French, whatever language. The Google Chrome browser will even do the translation automatically (if set as such).

There is a lot to enjoy and a lot to learn at Steedumbrella. It really is one of the top Avengers sites, and I am proud not only to be involved in research for it from time to time, but also to count Denis as a good friend.

Go take a look. You won't regret it!

http://steedumbrella.site90.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Steedumbrella: The Avengers in Russia Reply with quote

denisrigg wrote:
I apologize in advance for my English. Embarassed


Nothing to apologise for, Denis. Your English is very good - and the fact that you are communicating here in a language that is not your own is something that puts many of the rest of us to shame.

I don't think many of us could do anywhere near as well in Russian! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denis, it's absolutely great to hear, that your Russian fan-club is still growing and all members are very active and hard working on you project. Very Happy
You should be very proud, that there is a club like this in your country.
Here, where I live, such a fan-club with many active (and younger?) members doesn't really exist.
The only "organisation" or group here I know, is far away from where I live and all members are much older than me and don't possibly don't know very much about all the fan work and international activety, because the members are mainly older people, who only know The Avengers from their childhood (when it was first shown here in the 60's) and they don't seem to be very interested to keep in touch with the lastest happenings in Avengerland.
So, that kind of fan-club is more or less limited to watching the episodes and wallowing in old memories...
Well, as I already said, be proud of you club and good with keeping it up! Smile

Sincerely yours,

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
Thanks for starting the topic, Denis. I am surprised that you have not done so before, as your site deserves people's attention.

The standard of research is at times mindblowing. It's certainly one of a handful of sites (Steedumbrella, Mrs Peel We're Needed and TheAvengers.TV) that I refer to on a regular basis when working on my Avengers projects, be they for the web, print or video.

I know that people probably think "what use is a website in Russian to me?", but these days it is very easy to translate into English, French, whatever language. The Google Chrome browser will even do the translation automatically (if set as such).

There is a lot to enjoy and a lot to learn at Steedumbrella. It really is one of the top Avengers sites, and I am proud not only to be involved in research for it from time to time, but also to count Denis as a good friend.

Go take a look. You won't regret it!

http://steedumbrella.site90.com/


Alan, thank you for this great positive energy charge (frankly I almost shed a tear). As my friend and mentor, I thank you for your hard work not only in the Russian club's promotion abroad and very warm attention to the material, which published the club, but also for your contribution to the development of the site (Alan provided a material for the publication on Steedumbrella and Russian fans enthusiastically accepted it.)

Site really became popular thanks to Alan. It is he who has sheltered the link to Steedumbrella on his famous The Avengers Declassified! Smile

I got into the Internet in 2000 and since then traced the path of the many sites devoted to the TV series. I'm mainly interested in the material by David K. Smith, Piers Johnson and Alan Hayes - the people who actually created the Avengerworld in the Internet, making it with skill and love. I have always marveled at their relentless and approach to work. I thought, if I'll be doing own site, then by all means I will try to create something similar - not a small fan resource, which will soon be forgotten, but something ambient, then it would be an important contribution to the world of the Avengers. I still believe that it was Alan, David and Piers influenced the way how Steedumbrella will look, its purpose and functions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dear Denis,
So lovely that you have a fan club. I loved your posts from the other thread and it is good you are starting this topic. So when was the first time Avengers was shown in Russia? Was it in the 90's? What era of Avengers tends to be the favorite in Russia?
By the way, I don't know if it is just me but I can't get the link to your fan club to open.


Dear anti-clockwise, I'm sorry that you could not get to Steedumbrella, but because the site uses free hosting privileges, then from time to time (very rarely) have problems to access it. I often look through site and fortunately did not encounter serious problems in this area. I hope that the problem of access to the site more you will not be disturbed. Smile

So, now, I go to the interesting part of the topic and the particular that I think are interested in many - as TV series entered in Russia and how it looked.

Sit back in the chair and I start my story. Very Happy

USSR. The end of the 1980s.
Every Thursday, I waited for my father, who came home always tired from work. It was a special day. The doorbell rang and the boy raced to the front door to get the evening newspaper from his father. It was filled with happiness, because he knew that the only on Thursday in this newspaper printed television program for a week. Smile
That's it. There was no television magazines, TV papers and TV guides. All television information scooped from the newspapers, and on Thursday, many gathered at the table and carefully, long and with great interest viewed television program in newspaper, marking a tick already favorite movies, TV shows, etc.
In one such Thursday it was observed that in Russia there is a new TV channel 2x2. Quite a bold move on the part of Gorbachev's perestroika.

So, what sort is 2x2? Very Happy

TV channel showed a USA advertising, yet the Soviet Union no collapsed, radical changes were part of our lives day by day.

The channel began broadcasting in July 1989, during the trial broadcast was then called the "Commercial television channel." The broadcast was not fixed, the channel was established by order of the Radio and Television of the USSR as a division within the GFC (General Directorate of Programs). From November 1989 began to appear under his own name. On the air during the commercials have aired music videos.

Channel has attracted a huge audience and in the early 1990s launched the first western movies and TV shows. The first such TV shows were "The Avengers" and "I Spy". It is interesting to note that the series "I Spy" was a shadow in relation to the Avengers. First showed "I Spy," but seeing the lack of public interest in its diluted The Avengers (color episodes with Emma Peel). Began boom. But wait - what a boom? Funny, television programs in newspapers showed only the TV series "I Spy", but about the Avengers did not have the words. Sadly, but only occasional visitors could to see the adventures Steed and Emma Peel, with (attention) in the original language. Yes, even there were no Russian subtitles, and these random audience just stared at the screen, watching some sort of action, knowing the essence of what is happening and then retelling it in school.
Unfortunately it was not known how many color episodes with Emma Peel were are broadcasted and when exactly was broadcasting (mention the broadcasting on TV channel 2x2 was missing in all the Russian sources of information).
In school I heard about The Avengers for example the following dialogue:
- Yesterday I saw a funny movie on TV channel 2x2. A man in a hat and umbrella threw everybody the right and the left. Laughing Then he went to rescue some Mrs. Peel, his partner, I do not know what happened - I was late for school.
- Well, it's not a movie, it is an American TV series "I Spy", full nonsense.
I've seen a lot, so this hero, whom you have seen in a hat and an umbrella, work with a black partner, but not a woman. Laughing
- Really? Shocked But there was not black people. Laughing
- Tomorrow look - you'll see! Laughing

To be continued ...

Unfortunately forced to continue tomorrow, already asleep.

Best wishes, Denis! Wink
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First of all, I agree that the people that have websites here are the most impressive bunch. They take their work seriously and have the resourcefulness of the Avengers! They find old scripts, radio shows, film locations. I have no doubt they could tell us the exact location of the vineyard Steed's wine came from for each episode.

Haha! So funny Denis. So you saw The Avengers as a teenager but no one understood what it was about? Well that would be like us watching a Russian movie. But the avengers especially with Mrs. Peel and her fighting scenes were--well I think they say a picture is worth a thousand words!! Very Happy

When did you finally figure out the meaning of the episodes? Very Happy
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Hello dear Avengerphiles, I continue the history "The Avengers and Russia"! Smile

The absence of Russian language to foreign TV serials and some favorite movies on Channel 2x2 undoubtedly was the reason for the numerous letters and calls the audience to do this at soon.
Channel 2x2 often showed the film "Horror Express" (1972) with Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing and Telly Savalas on original language and people knew it by heart, even more than for example the russian film Diamond Arm (Brilliantovaya ruka) 1968. Of course the movie "Horror Express" was scary, but those who loved horror - it hit the spot. Without a doubt! Very Happy There was a lot of products from Roger Corman and this mystical and spellbinding "Carnival of souls" (1962). These films replaying over and over again, well, it has become a classic of Russian post-perestroika. Smile People want to see it all in Russian.

Soon channel 2x2 explained that the package of TV programmes was the probe and they are planning to do the voice acting for all its future products. This was done, but then when all TV channels broadcasted Russian and Western products.

In March 1994 came the first Russian TV magazine "TV-park". First number handed out free on the streets and I remember wanting to queue to get this magazine. I walked to the subway and could not get there because someone decided to distribute products quickly and end up underground passages abounding people. There was a real crush - it was like a rock star concert. In the evening I returned from school and saw the torn magazines on the streets and the people who read it. Yes, finally, the Russian audience was aware of all TV programs on television. Smile

When in December 1994 began to broadcast The Avengers on channel "St. Petersburg" - everyone knew it. And also all knew that this was the first time translated into the Russian language. (Poor "I Spy," his, since the channel 2x2, never repeated).
So, for the upcoming broadcasting The Avengers (all color episodes) were made commercials for television and articles in the magazine "TV-Park".
Apparently preparing a large-scale broadcasting, remembering the first success on the channel 2x2, but it did not work for two reasons.
1. As I said, the TV was already flooded with foreign products. To the extent that in 1994 the Russian production for TV was approximately twenty percent. It is not surprising for post-perestroika.
2. The most important point: the series has been decided to broadcast the morning. What were thinking in Television, having decided to take this step? Confused The disappointment was cruel because people were going to work and study.

It was December 1994 and the second broadcasting of the Avengers in Russia - but I still have not seen anything from the show and I have not had a chance to see it. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad If you're late for school - it was a serious offense. Called home - and you're still going to school, but with the parents. I was never late and did not make up stories - I was one of those for whom it was alien.

As a result, the entire December 1994 passed without the Avengers, but in January 1995 I started learning on a private basis, and my schedule has shifted. Somehow changing channels while watching a different foreign films, I saw an episode All Done with Mirrors. It is so gripped me that I was late for school. In the first time. Oh, and I did not finish until the end of the episode. I ended up on the spot, when Tara was coming down the stairs of lighthouse to neutralize fake Barlow! I was tormented at night and represented the different endings of the episode. I do not even knew if I will ever see again this episode. Crying or Very sad

Frankly, I have run ahead. Smile What I said - about the Avengers? What are the Avengers? Shocked
I watched an episode All Done with Mirrors, but I thought that I look feature full-length (full-lenght!) movie (I started watching the episode did not at first). It just so happened - heroine of the episode was Tara (Steed is almost missing), and of course I did not think it could be the Avengers.
I fell in love with Linda Thorson! Very Happy Hm, well, as many of those who started watching the series in January 1995 for the first time.

The primary audience began to watch the show in January holidays (at these holidays I worked part time) and Linda Thorson became a symbol of the series.
But then after holidays everything went according to the standard procedure and all went on to study and work.
I also went on to study, but before had the opportunity to watch the Avengers. Razz So I recorded five episodes of the series on VHS in February 1995.

October 1995 - began final re-run the Avengers, this time on TV channel TV6. That's when I recorded all from shown episodes.
The series was a success again, but more and has not been shown. Television always explained it by the nonsence that the series for them too expensive costs. Laughing

The End? Smile

P.S./ Well, even though I completely and not revealed topic, but I think it's time to go to the answers to other important questions.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
What era of Avengers tends to be the favorite in Russia?.


That's really a question for thought.

Despite the fact that the series was broadcast in Russia only three times, russian fans of the series are divided into two categories.

(Incidentally, the Russian fans of the Avengers call themselves Stidovtsy). Smile

So, the first category - the FIRST WAVE (those viewers who have seen the series on TV channel 2x2 in the early 1990s and on TV channel "St. Petersburg" in 1994-95).

The second category - the SECOND WAVE (the viewers who watched the series on TV channel TV6 in 1995-96).

The Second Wave has always been a supporter of Emma Peel. Color episodes with Emma Peel shown on TV channel TV6 in Sunday evening - in prime time. Watched everyone - from small to large.
There was no doubt that this is the perfect couple of British television of the 1960s and Emma Peel could be heard from own elderly grannies.
- Oh, Denis, turn on the TV and set it granny on the channel TV6, I want to see the gallant gentleman in a bowler and umbrella and a nice lady, Mrs. Peel. Laughing

Well, frankly, the older generation was brought up on communism, which is ingrained in their brain, but my grannies had already heard so much from me about this show that their interest to take the western products was great. I often showed them "The Joker" on videotape, and it worked.
But here's something else does not always give a positive result.

The First Wave - split. Those who have seen the series on channel 2x2 were supporters, of course, Mrs. Peel, because shown only episodes with her ​​participation, but those who have seen the series on "Saint-Petersburg" loved Tara King (episodes of her participation was shown since january 1995, and many have started watching the show during January holidays).

In general, the second wave - the bulk of the audience the Avengers and Emma Peel is a clear leader.
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Denis, it's absolutely great to hear, that your Russian fan-club is still growing and all members are very active and hard working on you project. Very Happy
You should be very proud, that there is a club like this in your country.
Here, where I live, such a fan-club with many active (and younger?) members doesn't really exist.
The only "organisation" or group here I know, is far away from where I live and all members are much older than me and don't possibly don't know very much about all the fan work and international activety, because the members are mainly older people, who only know The Avengers from their childhood (when it was first shown here in the 60's) and they don't seem to be very interested to keep in touch with the lastest happenings in Avengerland.
So, that kind of fan-club is more or less limited to watching the episodes and wallowing in old memories...
Well, as I already said, be proud of you club and good with keeping it up! Smile

Sincerely yours,

Sinus1994


Hi, Sinus1994!
It's a very wonderful message from you. Smile

The Avengers almost textbook of entertainment TV and the younger generation is already focuses on contemporary television - is another TV, another type of characters, setting, humor, etc.
It is difficult to imagine that one of the young now undertake to make a fan club the Avengers in any country, television has changed everywhere.
It remains to be glad for the fact that these clubs show true to their traditions and continue to operate with the older generation. Smile

In fact, not all are so wonderful in the club Steedumbrella as we'd like to believe. The most active times of the club are passed. I think, it was period 1997 - 2003.
Russian television showed the last time the Avengers in 1996, after referring to the fact that the show is very expensive and they are not going to repeat it. After that, our task was to entertain the fans of the series by different book stories, anecdotes, audio books, etc. We still hoping that the series will be shown. The last seven years the club a little replenished by new members, some did leave. Our creativity a few pall and all the time was necessary to invent of something and grow. As a result, I started to do a site. Basically, I suppose I should have done this much earlier.
My problem was that I always thought that I (Russian) did not perceive abroad, and I will not be here is interesting that I did not.
I wanted to work with David K. Smith in the early 2000s, and I had a lot of ideas, but I thought that it did not will work.
Perhaps the fact that I lived under communism has affected it, we were forced to believe that the Russian - the main enemies of the West and laugh at us.
From time to time I wrote about my thoughts on this forum and answering questions from fans all over the world through the mail.

Mid-2000s - it was the most difficult period of the club and we were on the verge of collapse. Nothing interesting happened in Russia in respect of the series, and the club was dying. People began to look for other entertainment, other series, another life. It was a period of a certain empty waiting for something, and I almost started all from scratch. In some ways, it was an idea to create a website. Well, I was a complete zero in this field, and I repeated the path of Alan Hayes.
This website has been the catalyst for a kind of revival of the club.
I open it in the same month, when Alan Hayes opened his The Avengers Declassified.

Steedumbrella was horrible at first and about advertisement could be no talk. I was incompetent as a webmaster, but no one wanted to spend their time making the site. So I learned on my mistakes and I developed knowledge, making the internet-club. I delved into it with his head and when Alan Hayes noticed and appreciated result, the Russian club certainly is not just a re-born, but reached a new level. I think that Alan made meaningful impact on the NEW popularity ​​the club and NEW interest in Russia for it. That was in 2010. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
First of all, I agree that the people that have websites here are the most impressive bunch. They take their work seriously and have the resourcefulness of the Avengers! They find old scripts, radio shows, film locations. I have no doubt they could tell us the exact location of the vineyard Steed's wine came from for each episode.

Haha! So funny Denis. So you saw The Avengers as a teenager but no one understood what it was about? Well that would be like us watching a Russian movie. But the avengers especially with Mrs. Peel and her fighting scenes were--well I think they say a picture is worth a thousand words!! Very Happy

When did you finally figure out the meaning of the episodes? Very Happy


This and much more forces us really appreciate the work of these people for resourcefulness of the Avengers.

Very Happy Hmm, exact location of the vineyard Steed's wine? I'm pretty sure that this can only to know John Steed and Piers Johnson. Very Happy

For example Piers Johnson is very attentive to every detail and will not accept mistakes. "Mrs. Peel we're needed" it's almost an academic encyclopedia of the Avengers. I really do not know who else could do such a thing.
David K. Smith - Avengers guru on the Internet, he gathered around himself a lot of people and he knew how to work with each. This is a unique person. After arrival The Avengers Forever, the sites about the Avengers appeared like mushrooms after the rain.
Alan Hayes - the man who hit me with the variety. He could at the same time deal with the Avengers, Doctor Who and be on Mars - he did so much research that it can be placed in a "Creative Cabinet of Alan".
These are people who have started to make high-quality material for the Avengers on the Internet in 1990s and who were always faithful to this tradition.
I grateful for the contribution that they bring.

OK - now I reply on the interesting question:
When did you finally figure out the meaning of the episodes?

It was shortly after I first saw the Avengers.
I became a fan of the series since the first spisode, which looked. Although I thought that watching a movie (the father continued to buy an evening newspaper, which was not mentioned The Avengers), soon switching TV channels I saw Tara King again and then started watching the series each weekday. When I realized that I should record it on tape, I think that it was the moment of awareness. It was in February 1995.
I recorded the whole tape and then replaying it two or three times a week.
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Hi Denis,
Thank you for the thoughtful comments. What does Stidovsky mean in Russian? i assume your site is in Russian. What is it like? How are the discussions similar or different than here?
I give you so much credit for continuing your site during a most difficult time with waning interest. Thank you for helping keep the Avengers alive!
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Hi Denis,
Thank you for the thoughtful comments. What does Stidovsky mean in Russian? i assume your site is in Russian. What is it like? How are the discussions similar or different than here?
I give you so much credit for continuing your site during a most difficult time with waning interest. Thank you for helping keep the Avengers alive!


What does Stidovsky mean in Russian?

Excellent question. Wink

A bit of history.

I coined this term in 1997, when there was already a considerable army of Russian fans. It was necessary to identify people interested in the TV series from the crowd of those who simply called himself "The fans Twin Peaks," "Fans of The X-Files", etc. I did not want to spin in this juice and had to come up with something special - an individual face of the Avengers fans.
In 1997, we focused on the creativity of the fans of the club and wrote stories about Steed (Steed - in Russian it a like "Stid"). Stories were different, but half of them included Steed investigating the crime with friends and with random people (unknown to the viewer) or even yourself.
Steed has always been the main creative person our club. In this way I knew that the image of our army will be a kind of arbitrary from Steed.

Then everything was spontaneous, I thought about it, and have set up Stidovsky. It's kind of Steedfans or Steedmen.
Well, the kind of people directly from the TV series Doctor Who! Laughing (Hello to Alan! Smile )
It was immediately picked up, even though I was not sure that this is need term.

Later the same thing happened with Steedumbrella (Steedumbrella - its quibble - in Russian it a like "Stidambrella"). The idea was taken from the infamous Cinderella. Very Happy

I assume your site is in Russian. What is it like?

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Hmm, I'm surprised that you have not seen it yet. Confused Hosting on which the site is located is USA, as a result, Steedumbrella accessed from any corner of the globe.
What is it like?
I would describe it as a research center The Avengers, which you can find a lot of useful and interesting information not available on other sites.
The site consists of more than 800 PAGES! Real Avengerworld from Russia.
As I said, I have focused on three main webmasters of the TV series on the Internet - David K. Smith, Piers Johnson and Alan Hayes. It is noticeable when you get into Russian Avengerworld. Web site design is based on the work of David, the approach to the material - this is from Piers (nevertheless, my site - it's not an encyclopedia, and I'm not going to do that, like any person, I try to be original), field of activity - it is an absolute variety in the Avengers - character trait of Alan and David.

Steedumbrella is something where you can get lost and enjoy the environment. Very Happy

How are the discussions similar or different than here?

Very different. Many new Russian fans are use simple answers to the questions, they do not analyze the subject.
In general, very few people with whom you can really to talk. Basically it's my colleagues with whom I have come a long way.

I was recently taken aback on russian forum in social network VK when a Russian fan wrote to me that I as the leader of the club is not suitable because I explain long time and in detail any topics.
Question Confused

I then thought maybe I was wrong address. Hmm... I looked at the sign -sign was the former "The Avengers in Russia"! Laughing

That's why when I got to this forum, I was completely satisfied.
Here are no people who are on a question, for example, "Steed opened his umbrella ever?" say simply "Yes". Laughing Laughing Laughing

Thank you for your attention. Smile
I will continue helping keep the Avengers alive! Do not doubt. Wink

As written in the Russian press in 1998 (Alan already knows):
"Since the program's run here in Russia - formed a whole sect of fanatics of the series". Very Happy

I worked on the printing press at the time - this worked directly for television - and I often saying about The Avengers. They thought that people like me a lot in Russia and called us fanatics. Smile

With great respect to all the fans the Avengers!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the thorough reply Denis. That makes things less interesting especially on a forum to get yes or no answers. You are right this is a great forum. I am new and quite impressed myself. I love the name you came up with and the explanation Stidovsky. Makes me chuckle. I did not understand when you said bigot? is that what you really meant? I was confused.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
Thank you for the thorough reply Denis. That makes things less interesting especially on a forum to get yes or no answers. You are right this is a great forum. I am new and quite impressed myself. I love the name you came up with and the explanation Stidovsky. Makes me chuckle. I did not understand when you said bigot? is that what you really meant? I was confused.


I did not understand when you said bigot?

Hmm, perhaps I did use the wrong word. I wanted to say about the people who blindly adhered fanaticism. I think I should was use the word "Fanatic", but mentioned "Bigots", due to the fact that I thought it would be read as a "obsessed fans".
I corrected my last post. Very Happy
Thank you for your emphasis on this moment!

That makes things less interesting especially on a forum to get yes or no answers.

I noticed that I began to communicate more on this forum than the Russian social network VK.
1. Here often rise the Topics more in-depth look into the series than we have - surface. Surface threads forces me yawn.
2. People who are pleasant to communicate, those who do not ignore the important and interesting discussion. You're always sure that your post will be considered.
3. Talking to people makes you want to delve into a discussion with the head, people who know how to make things interesting.
It's can to continue - 4, 5, 6...
The difference is palpable and I'm glad that I got into the world of communication, which I represented in Russia - Great Avengerworld! This is here and, unfortunately, never will be there.

I am new and quite impressed myself.

I am pleased that you new - always interesting to hear about the perception of the series from new. Especially such a sociable as you, dear anti-clockwise or mister anti-clockwise. I am also impressed with you - with your help the theme of the series in Russia was considered pretty good. Smile

Best wishes, Denis.
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Yes fanatics is the word. Good. Denis this may be a little off the subject of Avengers, so if this is too personal no need to answer. But I was just curious if the fears from previous generations from the cold war, might be affecting the Russian people today. Especially the older generation I wonder if they are more afraid to ask questions or to be curious.
It is wonderful that you are different and as you say in the world of communications.
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anti-clockwise wrote:
Yes fanatics is the word. Good. Denis this may be a little off the subject of Avengers, so if this is too personal no need to answer. But I was just curious if the fears from previous generations from the cold war, might be affecting the Russian people today. Especially the older generation I wonder if they are more afraid to ask questions or to be curious.
It is wonderful that you are different and as you say in the world of communications.


All right, I am ready to answer any question. Even if you ask me, what toothpaste I use. : Very Happy Wink

I think I'll start this thread with the following point:
When I discussed with the fans the opportunity to communicate with people abroad, the majority of responses were predictable "Abroad do not like Russian". It was the people, not only older, but also my peers.
Sure, it's a kind of answer to the question: "If Russia has a fan club, then why am I alone here?". I think many of this people believe that I have to do it for certain reasons - to advertise their website.

Based on this, I sometimes wonder when I look at the world around modern Russian and at first glance I see quite a democratic country that is going through the United States. Consideration of laws, lifestyle, events, etc. The country in which Communism is long gone, and no one pays attention to the older generation, considering this as mad past.
However, the interaction with people is disconcerting:
The current majority of young people who live the current system does not know the fears of the past, absorb what is fashionable and behaves quite openly. However, these young people do not consider themselves to traditional Russian, they are interested in any other culture more than their own, and do not even consider what is happening in Russia.
They are the ones who adapted to a certain environment, and they are free to communicate with foreigners, but not Russian. (Let's just say, it is those who, for simply example, likes TV series The Avengers, but absolutely not interested in a fan club in Russia). Talking on the forums, they invent a foreign nicks and fluent in language convenient for them. When communicating you not even think that it is Russian.

Another part of the Russian youth (students major colleges) that listen to the voices of the past, and has on the contrary, these russofoby.
There are people a like me - the rebels or the originals, who do not accept any established rules in modern Russia. They appreciate the country in which they live and analyze thoughts of the older generation.
They either agree or disagree.

The older generation is still the same and they do not like what is happening now. They want to return to communism, believing that now is the process of the collapse of Russia.

Russian are strong personalities and difficult to convince someone of something. It is necessary to impose things or get into some kind of situation that will change not only the view but also the rest of your life.

In this respect, I do not like the Russian, I am a real creative person and I always analyze things. I will not argue as Russian, which will prove that he is something right there, if the topic for interlocutor is not interesting. I am open to any audience and show a respect for anyone, if it deserves.


P.S./ Dear anti-clockwise, I hope I was able to consider this topic in English. If something is unclear (frankly, I'm was very difficult to do in English such a serious topic) I am will pleased to comment. Wink

Best wishes, Denis! Smile
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Dear Denis,
You English is just perfect! That was most interesting to hear. YOu are clearly a creative thinker and communicate very well. i don't speak Russian and could not communicate a thing to you, so we are all impressed I think.
I am so glad to hear the new generation is not burdened with the past in general. Well except the group you say that will agree or disagree with the old timers. I guess it is hard to change for the old timers that want to return to the past they know than the future they are frightened of.
By the way, what is the older generations rational for wanting to return to communism and what is their fear with the new regime?
Well I guess my next question can be what brand of toothpaste you use! LOL!

i have to tell you. I had a friend visit Russia who brought back the best tasting chocolate bar I ever tasted! I was impressed!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
Dear Denis,
You English is just perfect! That was most interesting to hear. YOu are clearly a creative thinker and communicate very well. i don't speak Russian and could not communicate a thing to you, so we are all impressed I think.
I am so glad to hear the new generation is not burdened with the past in general. Well except the group you say that will agree or disagree with the old timers. I guess it is hard to change for the old timers that want to return to the past they know than the future they are frightened of.
By the way, what is the older generations rational for wanting to return to communism and what is their fear with the new regime?
Well I guess my next question can be what brand of toothpaste you use! LOL!

i have to tell you. I had a friend visit Russia who brought back the best tasting chocolate bar I ever tasted! I was impressed!


Excellent! I will not more go back to notion its knowledges of the English language. Very Happy

So, there are several items that can be identified with reference to the rationality of the older generation to communism:

1. Cohesion of the people, the existence of the people as a whole without the need for social control, and, in main, for protection from destruction of the system of restraint on the part of the dangerous and original thinking.
Cruel? But this is a communism!
2. Outside the system of communism - degradation of the person, because, in their view, a person becomes free - it turns into some sort of obsessed with freedom, he thinks, how he wants, thereby associate an anarchist.
3. The preservation of cultural values ​​of the past and the eradication of the factors leading to change. That is the world without change. Laughing
4. Need to be treated equally, to avoid a war in own system. Laughing Laughing Laughing

We can see how Communism was acting against the people and promote their interests to the total power. They showed obvious western abominations and it worked. When the Iron Curtain fell, I saw something that struck me - was normal around the world and people have lived their interests. It was similar to what if our country for many years been involved in some global play and when the play was over, there was time to go to the exit.
Well, the play was funny. Very Happy

The Fear of the older generation with the new regime?

Based on the answer to the first question, I see the older generation and the people that listen to this - there fear the collapse of their country and the destruction of cultural property from the West. They also believe that the West in the near future will be to control their interests, and this will lead to a complete degeneration of the Russian as an independent nation.

Well I guess my next question can be what brand of toothpaste you use!

Well, you is right, if we delve in contemporary life in Russia, we, ten to one, come to this subject. Very Happy

I had a friend visit Russia who brought back the best tasting chocolate bar I ever tasted! I was impressed!

Oh, you rated it? Yes, it is. The old russian factory "Red October", producing candy and chocolate is one of the best in the world and once you try it, you will not forget ever.
For food products, in Russia there are many memorable things. Chicken sausage, fish products, ice creams, cakes, sweets for tea, etc. Never get tired of it. Smile
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