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Ok I guess I will hijack my own thread. I am just looking into the Persuaders. I had never seen it before. I don't even recall there were reruns in the US. What a find though. Thank you Franky.

Is there actually a monthly magazine that Jaz puts out available online to subscribe or just the website?

What a shame it was on only for a year.
The details are here: http://www.itc-classics.com/tmadetails.html

I guess Roger Moore getting the part of James Bond put the kybosh on any new Persuaders! which is indeed a shame - what we have is brilliant though.


Roger was reluctant to do it to begin with, because he wanted to remain free to do Bond. Lew Grade actually let him do it without signing a contract so he could drop everything and go as soon as the call came. I think they actually would have done more given the chance, but no American success meant budget problems. Tony Curtis said that Lew Grade told him they could make a second season, but they'd have to forgo the European filming because the money just wasn't there. Tony said that was why he'd done it in the first place, so it died and Roger went off to do Bond. It is indeed a shame. I would have loved more Persuaders, just as I would have loved more Champions, Randall and Hopkirk, Man in a Suitcase and Jason King (I've never been keen enough on Department S to feel much of a loss on that front). I have The Baron on order, and I see it suffered the same fate, which, given my track record, probably means I'll love it, too. Laughing
First of all I apologise to everyone on thsi site for my fellow Americans of the 60's and 70's bad taste in shows! LOL! But seriously it is a wonder how these brilliant shows get canned and Laugh-in takes over??? Pretty embarrassing i would say.
I read a little about the Persuaders. Tony Curtis high all the time?! Must have made for interesting acting? No wonder Roger finished up for a season and went to Bond. Who would want to put up with that?
I read something about when Tony was creating one of his endless storms, Roger went up to him, held him by the lapels and said,"And to think those lips kissed Piper Laurie!" Roger obviously had quite a sense of humour. Brian Clemens would have approved! Very Happy
Sounds like it would have made a good line for an episode too for that matter!
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First of all I apologise to everyone on thsi site for my fellow Americans of the 60's and 70's bad taste in shows! LOL! But seriously it is a wonder how these brilliant shows get canned and Laugh-in takes over??? Pretty embarrassing i would say.
I read a little about the Persuaders. Tony Curtis high all the time?! Must have made for interesting acting? No wonder Roger finished up for a season and went to Bond. Who would want to put up with that?
I read something about when Tony was creating one of his endless storms, Roger went up to him, held him by the lapels and said,"And to think those lips kissed Piper Laurie!" Roger obviously had quite a sense of humour. Brian Clemens would have approved! Very Happy
Sounds like it would have made a good line for an episode too for that matter!


It was a tad ironic, as Lew Grade kept insisting on having American leads in the series to try and appeal to the American market, only have them all end after one season, while the Avengers trundled on with a British cast. A shame, as more often than not they brought over really brilliant American actors who gave the shows their all and turned in great performances: Tony Curtis, Stuart Damon, Richard Bradford... They could have felt like they`d been shoehorned in to make a quota, but they didn`t. So it seems a shame that American audiences didn`t take to them like they did to the Avengers. But at least you can enjoy them now. Smile

Tony Curtis` drug use was hardly a secret during filming, and I suspect he was on something in most of his scenes (I think it may have been part of the reason his performance was so wonderfully over-the-top). Roger did end up having to babysit him a little, pulling him back on course when he`d start ab-libbing to ensure all the plot points came across. A lot of gentle chiding went on: “Don’t wear that to meet the Queen, Tony.” “What did you call Joan Collins, Tony?” But by all accounts they got on very well, and had a lot of fun doing it, so I don`t think Roger would have been adverse to doing more if there hadn`t been Bond. They make for a great double act on-screen, so if you get the DVDs, you`re in for a lot of fun.
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Yes Timeless. Us North Americans have to stick together! Great minds think alike. WE seem to be of the few that appreciate these very cleverly written shows. I am so astounded that they did not become long running shows. Seriously question the sanity of the American audiences of the 60's and 70's for not watching. Too bad that these shows depended on American tastes. How are things different now I wonder or what was different before? I assume that this is not the case anymore with British shows.

Anyway, I am DEFINITELY getting the DVD's Timeless!! Just a question. What is the best way to buy these? Just the box set on Amazon UK?
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Oh dear - what did Tony call the Queen?? Shocked
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He didn't call her anything, just didn't follow the prescribed dress code and got the Royal brush-off as a result. Roger did warn him. Wink

What he called Joan Collins, on the other hand, isn't repeatable on this forum. Laughing
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Silly me, confusing Joan Collins and the Queen. Not for the first time either!
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Oh dear - what did Tony call the Queen?? Shocked
OMG I am afraid to ask. Wonder how they put up with Tony Curtis in the UK. On the internet they mention he was caught with marijuana. Looks like it was a whole lot worse than that from everyone's descriptions. What a piece of work.
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Yes Timeless. Us North Americans have to stick together! Great minds think alike. WE seem to be of the few that appreciate these very cleverly written shows. I am so astounded that they did not become long running shows. Seriously question the sanity of the American audiences of the 60's and 70's for not watching. Too bad that these shows depended on American tastes. How are things different now I wonder or what was different before? I assume that this is not the case anymore with British shows.

Anyway, I am DEFINITELY getting the DVD's Timeless!! Just a question. What is the best way to buy these? Just the box set on Amazon UK?
I feel so very fortunate to have found this website!


I don't know what went on--perhaps they didn't give them prime slots and they never even had a chance. Sometimes the networks wouldn't leave well enough alone, either. I know the American networks changed the title of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) to My Partner the Ghost because they thought no one would know what "deceased" meant. I've read one or two American fans of the series speculate that the less-striking new title may have failed to attract viewers. I don't know quite what was going on, but for one reason or another, the Americans didn't watch them at Avengers or The Saint.

I would go for the boxset, yes. I have the A&E Persuaders DVDs as I bought them before my region-free player days, and they're not very good value for the money.
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OMG I am afraid to ask. Wonder how they put up with Tony Curtis in the UK. On the internet they mention he was caught with marijuana. Looks like it was a whole lot worse than that from everyone's descriptions. What a piece of work.


The press had a lot of fun with the pot. Wink But really, Tony did a great job on the series--he makes it for me even more than Roger, which is saying something. He did a lot of his own stuntwork, too, or at least as much as they'd let him do. Even after they told him no, he used to call off the stunt double and do it himself. By the time they realised it was him, they were already halfway through the scene and it was pointless to try and stop him.
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Oh dear - what did Tony call the Queen?? Shocked
OMG I am afraid to ask. Wonder how they put up with Tony Curtis in the UK. On the internet they mention he was caught with marijuana. Looks like it was a whole lot worse than that from everyone's descriptions. What a piece of work.
The Network DVDs have some interviews about this. Sounds like Tony tried to bring weed in with him through the airport, so it was going wrong from the start! Someone had to rescue him from customs and bring him to the production hotel. Might have been Rog (can't remember). Tony C was apparently very generous to the crew - giving away crates of champagne etc - and had a sense of humour, so lots was forgivable/forgiven. He's great fun on screen too - one of the Hollywood old school, therefore. All that matters is what's on screen and that's a million dollars.
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Oh dear - what did Tony call the Queen?? Shocked
OMG I am afraid to ask. Wonder how they put up with Tony Curtis in the UK. On the internet they mention he was caught with marijuana. Looks like it was a whole lot worse than that from everyone's descriptions. What a piece of work.
The Network DVDs have some interviews about this. Sounds like Tony tried to bring weed in with him through the airport, so it was going wrong from the start! Someone had to rescue him from customs and bring him to the production hotel. Might have been Rog (can't remember). Tony C was apparently very generous to the crew - giving away crates of champagne etc - and had a sense of humour, so lots was forgivable/forgiven. He's great fun on screen too - one of the Hollywood old school, therefore. All that matters is what's on screen and that's a million dollars.


Amen to that. He looks like he's having a lot of fun in all his scenes, and it's infectious. It wouldn't be half the show it was without him. I love his wardrobe in it, too. Very Happy
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Yes Timeless. Us North Americans have to stick together! Great minds think alike. WE seem to be of the few that appreciate these very cleverly written shows. I am so astounded that they did not become long running shows. Seriously question the sanity of the American audiences of the 60's and 70's for not watching. Too bad that these shows depended on American tastes. How are things different now I wonder or what was different before? I assume that this is not the case anymore with British shows.

Anyway, I am DEFINITELY getting the DVD's Timeless!! Just a question. What is the best way to buy these? Just the box set on Amazon UK?
I feel so very fortunate to have found this website!


I don't know what went on--perhaps they didn't give them prime slots and they never even had a chance. Sometimes the networks wouldn't leave well enough alone, either. I know the American networks changed the title of Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) to My Partner the Ghost because they thought no one would know what "deceased" meant. I've read one or two American fans of the series speculate that the less-striking new title may have failed to attract viewers. I don't know quite what was going on, but for one reason or another, the Americans didn't watch them at Avengers or The Saint.

I would go for the boxset, yes. I have the A&E Persuaders DVDs as I bought them before my region-free player days, and they're not very good value for the money.
Once again Timeless I am astounded by the American viewing audience or the producer that changed the name. The name is clever and humorous. They don't know what deceased means? Hard to believe all this. Rolling Eyes
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Oh dear - what did Tony call the Queen?? Shocked
OMG I am afraid to ask. Wonder how they put up with Tony Curtis in the UK. On the internet they mention he was caught with marijuana. Looks like it was a whole lot worse than that from everyone's descriptions. What a piece of work.
The Network DVDs have some interviews about this. Sounds like Tony tried to bring weed in with him through the airport, so it was going wrong from the start! Someone had to rescue him from customs and bring him to the production hotel. Might have been Rog (can't remember). Tony C was apparently very generous to the crew - giving away crates of champagne etc - and had a sense of humour, so lots was forgivable/forgiven. He's great fun on screen too - one of the Hollywood old school, therefore. All that matters is what's on screen and that's a million dollars.
Well I am glad he wasn't all bad. From the wiki on persuaders, they make him sound like a nightmare to work with so I am glad he had nice qualities too. I also read from some other reviews of the show that in general it seemed like Tony Curtis was more popular a character than Roger I am guessing because he was so zany.
So were the Persuaders extremely popular in Britain at the time or just among certain viewing audience?
I can't wait to watch!
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So were the Persuaders extremely popular in Britain at the time or just among certain viewing audience?


"The Persuaders!" was a massively popular show in the UK at the time - it was a big step up in standards in many ways for an ITC product; because of a change in British taxation, it was no longer viable for Lew Grade at ATV to make 35mm film series primarily for the British market with sales to US networks or syndication as an afterthought - "The Persuaders!" had to be created and pre-sold to ABC, and to do that it had to carry an established American star with a movie career and boast more extensive filming on the continent than had been the norm for ITC-backed series in some years.

The opening episode, "Overture", was the second highest rate show of the week in the UK when it aired. "Powerswitch" did indeed top the ratings, as did "The Gold Napoleon", "Greensleeves" and "The Time and the Place". I'm pretty sure that all the episodes were in the industry Top 20 ratings for the week, if not in the Top 10. And in a lot of popular awards for actors and series, the series would gain various nominations. So, yes, "The Persuaders!" was a pretty big deal at the time, and indeed even got networked across all the different ITV stations - the first ITC primetime film series to achieve that since the early editions of "Man of the World" almost a decade earlier.

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"The Persuaders!" was a massively popular show in the UK at the time - it was a big step up in standards in many ways for an ITC product; because of a change in British taxation, it was no longer viable for Lew Grade at ATV to make 35mm film series primarily for the British market with sales to US networks or syndication as an afterthought - "The Persuaders!" had to be created and pre-sold to ABC, and to do that it had to carry an established American star with a movie career and boast more extensive filming on the continent than had been the norm for ITC-backed series in some years.

The opening episode, "Overture", was the second highest rate show of the week in the UK when it aired. "Powerswitch" did indeed top the ratings, as did "The Gold Napoleon", "Greensleeves" and "The Time and the Place". I'm pretty sure that all the episodes were in the industry Top 20 ratings for the week, if not in the Top 10. And in a lot of popular awards for actors and series, the series would gain various nominations. So, yes, "The Persuaders!" was a pretty big deal at the time, and indeed even got networked across all the different ITV stations - the first ITC primetime film series to achieve that since the early editions of "Man of the World" almost a decade earlier.

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Andrew, you are the best! - Saved me a lot of typing and yes, The Persuaders! is my favourite series.

It was also hugely popular in Europe, particularly, Germany, France, Spain (where it won the Spanish equivalent of a BAFTA for Best Series), Belgium, The Netherlands and Sweden. It was sold all over the world including Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Asia and was a huge hit in Australia. Ironically, the one country where it needed to be a success, the USA, was the one country where it failed to make an impact.

Everyone should buy the blu-ray set - absolutely amazing!
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Well it was very tastefully done Jaz. So you have gone from a graphics designer to interviewer. Did you search out the actors/producers/writers you interviewed or how did you find them? They all seemed very charming and you really did some nice interviews.
Those extra touches on the bonus material really do make a world of difference. Gives the viewer the feeling like they are behind the scenes as well.


I'm still a graphic designer and the occasional interviewer. I didn't really search out that many people for the DVDs as a lot I had known for some time via my work on my magazine. The ones I didn't know at the time were usually friends of people I already knew so it was pretty easy for me really as these people would vouch for me. I have to say Leonard White was the nicest, kindest, funniest man who at 94 still had tremendous wit, a wicked sense of humour and was was great fun (as well as having an encyclopedic memory). Glad you liked all of the extras, it was great to assemble a team of dedicated people like Alan and Alys and the as-yet unmentioned Henry Holland (who is a great bloke, long time friend, a walking Who's Who of actors and a brilliant sounding board for my hair-brained schemes/ideas).
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Well what a great job you have Jaz. I just heard on the DVD, Henry interviewing Roger Marshall I believe,which was quite good as well.(I hope I remembered that correctly as I have seen a lot of interviews lately).
Leonard White sounds like an impressive man. What interviews have been done with him? I think I have heard one from the DVD collection so far talking about police surgeon but are there others I can listen to?

I was curious who were the more memorable interviews with, besides Leonard White?
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So were the Persuaders extremely popular in Britain at the time or just among certain viewing audience?


"The Persuaders!" was a massively popular show in the UK at the time - it was a big step up in standards in many ways for an ITC product; because of a change in British taxation, it was no longer viable for Lew Grade at ATV to make 35mm film series primarily for the British market with sales to US networks or syndication as an afterthought - "The Persuaders!" had to be created and pre-sold to ABC, and to do that it had to carry an established American star with a movie career and boast more extensive filming on the continent than had been the norm for ITC-backed series in some years.

The opening episode, "Overture", was the second highest rate show of the week in the UK when it aired. "Powerswitch" did indeed top the ratings, as did "The Gold Napoleon", "Greensleeves" and "The Time and the Place". I'm pretty sure that all the episodes were in the industry Top 20 ratings for the week, if not in the Top 10. And in a lot of popular awards for actors and series, the series would gain various nominations. So, yes, "The Persuaders!" was a pretty big deal at the time, and indeed even got networked across all the different ITV stations - the first ITC primetime film series to achieve that since the early editions of "Man of the World" almost a decade earlier.

All the best

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TV Action comic also had a rather nice Persuaders! comic strip, often on the front page, so it was seen on the newsstands and was clearly popular with teenagers. It's a quintessential 1970s "thing" really.

One of the nicest elements is the quality of guest star - Terry-Thomas is in one of them, and is brilliant as always (he's in loads of comedy films and was a pretty major star name); also as Timeless says, Tony Curtis does pretty much all his own stunts, climbing, acrobatics etc which works really well in making things more convincing than most shows.
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Once again Timeless I am astounded by the American viewing audience or the producer that changed the name. The name is clever and humorous. They don't know what deceased means? Hard to believe all this. Rolling Eyes
And that was the 1960s... in later years, we've had "Licence to Kill" because "they won't know what 'revoked' means" and "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" because "they won't know what 'Philosopher' means"... maybe movie audiences are not as clever as book readers Smile
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Andrew, you are the best! - Saved me a lot of typing and yes, The Persuaders! is my favourite series.


LISTEN UP EVERYONE! Jaz is being very modest indeed here. "The Persuaders!" is an incredible passion for him and if you do like this show and haven't admired his work over the years, I do urge you to pick up his publications and to check out his website. It's the kind of devotion and effort which I so often wish - but so seldom find - channeled into other series. What's more, Jaz is one of those people who can communicate so effectively why this show is so very special - not just the facts and figures and the usual blah like I do, but the real heart and appeal of it, the warmth and the character. So take a look at his stuff. It's a rare delight to see such enthusiasm delivered with such utter talent.

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