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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it's inevitable however that for some episodes, particularly Nightmare, Crescent Moon and Hunt the Man Down, it will be a case of coming up with plots that hold together and not conflict with what is known. A difficult task, but I'm sure John Dorney will come up with the goods.
Are you ever in touch with John? I had some brief conversation with him on a Who forum some time back, he's an intelligent writer (and actor, so thankfully he's very much an actor's writer) - I'd really like to know if he's going to use the known information, as exemplified by the research on your site, as a basis for his new scripts.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I'm in touch with John, David Richardson and Nicholas Briggs. All lovely gentlemen and safe, caring hands for the series to be in. Nick is someone I've known for years. We used to bump into each other on trains on our respective ways to work!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is indeed very reassuring. I love John's writing, so the drama is likely to be excellent, but to know he's likely to construct the episodes inside and around the known facts, making them as authentic as possible, is thrilling.

Like you said - dreams come true.

(If you ever get a chance and it's not too annoying, could you ask Nick if he knows whether the BBC radio 4 mini-feature about the upcoming audios was put on their site somewhere? I'd love to hear it again, and record it! No worries if not, I know everyone's *extremely* busy with proper Avengering and indeed this "life" thing)...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is, indeed, very good news. It's obvious everyone involved is really invested in doing these properly, and to the best of their ability. The show is in good hands. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
Alan wrote:

I think it's inevitable however that for some episodes, particularly Nightmare, Crescent Moon and Hunt the Man Down, it will be a case of coming up with plots that hold together and not conflict with what is known. A difficult task, but I'm sure John Dorney will come up with the goods.
Are you ever in touch with John? I had some brief conversation with him on a Who forum some time back, he's an intelligent writer (and actor, so thankfully he's very much an actor's writer) - I'd really like to know if he's going to use the known information, as exemplified by the research on your site, as a basis for his new scripts.


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Listened to the first collection over the last week, one at a time so as not to lose concentration and miss anything, and loved them completely. That's not to say they are an easy listen or faultless, but I really enjoyed the experience. Its difficult to read a television script as a radio drama without adding a 'soundscape' or any extra exposition, and the goal of Big Finish to make these as authentic as possible and definitive in their own way as to be applauded. For me, they were successful in this; they were just like the original style of the show in atmosphere, pace and sound. The downside to this is that its sometimes hard to follow who is who or what exactly is happening visually. But its either one or the other; accuracy or making it work fully as an audio, and I think Big Finish have got the balance about right. The different voices are hard to get used to, but I'm sure I will in time as the performances were good. Looking forward to collection 2 now!
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Listened to the first collection over the last week, one at a time so as not to lose concentration and miss anything, and loved them completely. That's not to say they are an easy listen or faultless, but I really enjoyed the experience. Its difficult to read a television script as a radio drama without adding a 'soundscape' or any extra exposition, and the goal of Big Finish to make these as authentic as possible and definitive in their own way as to be applauded. For me, they were successful in this; they were just like the original style of the show in atmosphere, pace and sound. The downside to this is that its sometimes hard to follow who is who or what exactly is happening visually. But its either one or the other; accuracy or making it work fully as an audio, and I think Big Finish have got the balance about right. The different voices are hard to get used to, but I'm sure I will in time as the performances were good. Looking forward to collection 2 now!
Good points. Felt the same. Wonder how many have been sold so far?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I'm aware, it's doing very well, and the fact that Big Finish have now agreed to adapt the whole first year is evidence that supports a better-than-expected take up.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as I'm aware, it's doing very well, and the fact that Big Finish have now agreed to adapt the whole first year is evidence that supports a better-than-expected take up.


great that it's doing well....which shows there is interest out there and more..and hopefully, will allow future volumes etc
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Well, I certainly hope that the series fans out to feature other eras, preferably in new adventures.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I keep trying to listen to these and the voices/acting styles just throw me off completely. I don't know if it would improve with multiple listenings. I really want to like them...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't seem dissimilar to the acting styles of the existing Season 1 (and 2) episodes to me, or much TV of the period...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They don't seem dissimilar to the acting styles of the existing Season 1 (and 2) episodes to me, or much TV of the period...


It could be the dissonance between radio and television that's throwing me off. And a Steed that doesn't sound like or have the same inflection as Macnee.
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Ah yes, I remember, we've discussed this before. I suppose some suspension of disbelief is required and that's not always easy with other actors in a role closely associated with one (even if others have played Steed in the 60s, 70s and 90s). I might have reacted to the Avengers movie better if they'd used an authentic story instead of making up a new one - then again maybe I wouldn't have...

As we can't get Macnee and Hendry I just accept it as the next best thing, essentially a well-produced audio/talking book with more bells and whistles. It's a step up from me just reading the scripts to myself, though everyone's different and a novelisation of the stories might help bring to mind what Hendry and Macnee could've done. It'd be an interesting project for someone to undertake once the audio adaptions are all published.
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I guess if I read the scripts to myself, I can at least imagine the way Macnee or Hendry would deliver a line, or move around a room, smile, etc. Really, I just can't hear Steed (or Macnee) in Wadham's delivery. I'll admit that I'm beginning to gravitate towards not having the episodes at all than having them at less than the original. I'm trying, though, because it's a cool opportunity to actually hear the scripts performed.
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It'll be nice if there's a good Roger Delgado impression for Crescent Moon Smile I've always wondered how that story would've worked. It's such an early one and quite exotic for the "gritty" series, all set in the sunny Caribbean. Mind you, Death Despatch in series 2 sort-of worked okay.


Well I think it wouldn't be too much of a stretch of the imagination to find that Geoffrey Beavers playing the Delgado part...
How'd it of worked on screen... probably with photo blow ups of Palm Trees in the windows, and extras caked in gravy browning in "exotic" outfits probably.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2014 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoffrey Beevers is one of the two Masters that I've met, yes he would indeed be splendid in the Delgado role!
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Ah yes, I remember, we've discussed this before. I suppose some suspension of disbelief is required and that's not always easy with other actors in a role closely associated with one (even if others have played Steed in the 60s, 70s and 90s). I might have reacted to the Avengers movie better if they'd used an authentic story instead of making up a new one - then again maybe I wouldn't have...

As we can't get Macnee and Hendry I just accept it as the next best thing, essentially a well-produced audio/talking book with more bells and whistles. It's a step up from me just reading the scripts to myself, though everyone's different and a novelisation of the stories might help bring to mind what Hendry and Macnee could've done. It'd be an interesting project for someone to undertake once the audio adaptions are all published.



goood point....radio, is after all, theatre of the mind !
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's not really designed for radio...

I would like to know how the episodes are rewritten to be applicable to the medium. Or, rather, IF they are rewritten.
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They're not rewritten very much at all - there may be some small insertions for scene-setting, such as the passer-by who is asked for directions at the start of the Hot Snow episode in order to establish economically and cleverly the setting and the goal of the criminal, but as you'd expect from a professional scripter of John Dorney's reputation it's done fantastically well, and nothing is removed from the original scripts.

The South African radio series (adapting the film episodes) from the 1970s took greater liberties (and the episodes were "lost" to SA audiences because there was no television service in South Africa until 1976), but was effective too. Just not as brilliantly authentic as these season 1 episodes are - they even have the music and the sound "mileu" down perfectly to evoke 1961 and match the existing episodes as close as it is possible to match. They really are a great reconstructive achievement.

A lot of fun and not something worth moaning about - if they're not for you, just avoid them and let them sell to those who enjoy 'em!
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