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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:19 pm    Post subject: Bright Horizons book Reply with quote

I have opened this thread in order to allow readers/writers to offer feedback. It goes without saying that positive feedback is welcomed for individual essays while I am happy to receive any 'positive criticism' in terms of the structure etc. of the book.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ground breaking book! Congrats to all. I just got it but I am impressed with every contributor I have read so far. It is really refreshing to read different writing styles and different approaches. And of course Rodney's own efforts shine through with the foreword/afterword. Of course I could write a book about the book here but I found Frank Hui's How to Succeed at Murder very profound. He brilliantly tied in a social commentary of the times about feminism/antifeminism in the episode in a way that really showed how much he understood that episode. Sam of course as promised delivered brilliantly and did not miss a beat or even a candle.
I noticed some people did a fair amount of research for their chapters which added to making their chapter compelling. If anyone cares to share how they did their research it would be very interesting.
I loved Rich's cybernaut just for the mere fact that I never realized that half the show passed before the metal man appeared. Very different than the mexican cybernaut posted here awhile ago that got boring quickly chop after chop.
And I got through half of the Brimstones. The shear enthusiasm of James made that chapter very enjoyable. Blasphemy they took out Emma's measurements. And Frankymole just has one of the best writing styles around. Such a compelling intro in two's a crowd. that's as far as I've gotten. And best part from Roger Marshall-now we know how John Steed got his name!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And best part from Roger Marshall-now we know how John Steed got his name!


My dad simply meant that his version of Steed was inspired by 'Bunny'. Still, I like the fact that for once the location created the script, rather than vice versa.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of the best chapters in my opinion are shorter ones. Timeless shows that economy of language is often the best policy.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just read the "Castle De'Ath" episode and it captures the wit and humour splendidly. Some of Steed's wry comments and amusing asides are laugh out loud funny, the chapter sums it up so well that I feel like I've just watched it again - this time with much more awareness of the levity in the script, which tends to get overshadowed when one is tensely watching, worried about sinister goings-on and being made even more full of suspense by the incidental music...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's something which I always try to include in my chapters: decent quotes from the episode. Probably a result of years spent studying literature at university. I think the dialogue is so great it's a shame not to include some of it. I was almost tempted to include a quotations section in the back of the book. Maybe a future project: the Avengers book of quotations!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corrections have been made and will be added to the online copy on Tuesday. Order after Thursday and you will be safe. I'm not taking on board 'revisions', solely errors: factual or typo.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were so few that it really isn't worth ordering a new one unless you are a perfectionist! In which case, of course, you'll never be happy with the contents anyway!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just realised that this last message sounds like a teacher! With Mrs. Peel, We're Needed underway - and the Tara King book as well, I do now need to move on. Personally, I love this book and I think we are going to have a fantastic four volume collection to enjoy. It's never perfect but if I have learnt one thing from Subversive Champagne then it is that you have to finally put it to bed and move on. Avengerland moves in to colour for me now and I'm proud of our (first) collective achievement.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodders wrote:
Some of the best chapters in my opinion are shorter ones. Timeless shows that economy of language is often the best policy.


This is a huge compliment, as I'm actually notoriously wordy and am forever cutting things down to get within the length limit. Maybe my love of the subject matter let me zero in on what wanted to say. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodders wrote:
That's something which I always try to include in my chapters: decent quotes from the episode. Probably a result of years spent studying literature at university. I think the dialogue is so great it's a shame not to include some of it. I was almost tempted to include a quotations section in the back of the book. Maybe a future project: the Avengers book of quotations!


I would have loved to have included more dialogue quotations, but that would have made my contribution even longer !

The idea of a dedicated quotations book is excellent - but I imagine might need official licensing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed Six wrote:

The idea of a dedicated quotations book is excellent - but I imagine might need official licensing.
I'd love to read an "Everything I Needed to Know in Life I learned From the Avengers", the versions I've read for other programmes have been very funny (usually serialised articles in magazines like the Dr Who one).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
Speed Six wrote:

The idea of a dedicated quotations book is excellent - but I imagine might need official licensing.
I'd love to read an "Everything I Needed to Know in Life I learned From the Avengers", the versions I've read for other programmes have been very funny (usually serialised articles in magazines like the Dr Who one).


That's a great idea! Item one would no doubt be, "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress..." Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
Speed Six wrote:

The idea of a dedicated quotations book is excellent - but I imagine might need official licensing.
I'd love to read an "Everything I Needed to Know in Life I learned From the Avengers", the versions I've read for other programmes have been very funny (usually serialised articles in magazines like the Dr Who one).


exactly....I'm amazed on how read this show and forum is...and the amount of information out there..mind bogggling
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered it. I already have the two about The New Avengers and the Tara King era Very Happy, and I enjoyed both books very much!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks very much. You should enjoy this one more, hopefully, as you get a variety of voices, approaches etc. Use or not of quotations is an interesting one. I try to concentrate on the visual appeal but there is so much verbal wit that it seems a shame not to use it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's now possible to order from Amazon.France. I ordered mine yesterday. No date of departure, some delay but I hope I will be able to read it soon. Cross my fingers !
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

corrected version now available from Amazon including any requests received. Book is now closed for changes as we move on to Peel in colour. What is still 'open' of course is any debate or discussion that the book has opened up!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As part of the corrections I reaffirmed the colour of Margo's essays as two of them seemed less 'black' than all the others.
It struck me on my latest reading that Dan and Frank were the only ones of us brave enough to take the episodes to task and question decisions made by writer/director/production team. Does this simply reflect how good the season was or are we reluctant to criticise a show we love?
Has anyone changed their mind about a specific episode based on the book?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until I read the book, "The Gravediggers" used to be a confirmed favourite of mine, and Sir Horace Winslip (Ronald Fraser) was one of the great eccentrics. It is Number 2 in Emma Peel's "TAF Top Ten" on The Avengers Forever, so someone loved it once Smile Interestingly the top 6 episodes are all from the monochrome season.

But reading the essay made me very critical of the character and the way he was directed.

It's a shame because Malcolm Hulke is one of my favourite writers, and "Q" aka Quentin Lawrence did an absolutely bang-up job on "Catweazle".

Still, it is good to be critical - this episode does point the way to the comic-book style eccentrics and plots of the fifth season...

I chose two fairly unloved or ignored episodes to see if I could feel differently about them, and the Avengers greatness was present in a lot it. So I couldn't criticise the production much (though "Small Game..." and "Two's Company" do have some big plot difficulties, most such episodes get by on sheer pizazz, and we only notice them because we watch them over and over again). The stylish photography, directing and acting covers many sins; episodes only seem sub-par when there isn't enough going on with those attention-grabbing elements.

I can see why something like "Room Without A View" gets criticised, the story isn't bad at all, but there is something lacklustre in direction or the energy of the performances, somehow things don't gel and so viewers don't get as involved in watching the interactions on screen and start to notice production compromises like dodgy "Asian" makeup on the stuntmen.
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