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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was the pal speed up on the itunes releases also?
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How terribly unAvengerish! I have the region free player but I agree with you there it is a pain that there is only one way to watch. Do you think that this set is selling well or really my first concern is they will take it off the market again like they did last time and then I will regret not buying. would rather have tony Curtis signature of Roger Moore's name for $35 at the moment.


If you've got the Optimum sets and are fine with the playback capabilities for them, I don't think there's much reason to "upgrade" to these Blu-rays, I hate to say. I think your $35 would be better spent on Tony Curtis's Roger Moore signature, which sounds awesome! I once paid Curtis that much for his own signature and asked him to put it over his own name, and he signed it over Roger's instead. If he was going to do that, I think I would have preferred him to do Roger's signature!

But that's just my opinion. I think as other people have said there is a moderate picture improvement over Optimum is you've got good HD equipment. And the price is very reasonable. (Like others, I wish they'd asked us to pay more for more discs.) For someone who doesn't have any Avengers, or even someone who just has the A&E DVDs, then I would recommend the Blu-rays. But from what I've seen so far (which, granted, isn't much), they don't seem like a tremendous improvement over the Optimum releases. In fact, without the copious extras of those, I'd say they're a downgrade.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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anti-clockwise wrote:
How terribly unAvengerish! I have the region free player but I agree with you there it is a pain that there is only one way to watch. Do you think that this set is selling well or really my first concern is they will take it off the market again like they did last time and then I will regret not buying. would rather have tony Curtis signature of Roger Moore's name for $35 at the moment.


If you've got the Optimum sets and are fine with the playback capabilities for them, I don't think there's much reason to "upgrade" to these Blu-rays, I hate to say. I think your $35 would be better spent on Tony Curtis's Roger Moore signature, which sounds awesome! I once paid Curtis that much for his own signature and asked him to put it over his own name, and he signed it over Roger's instead. If he was going to do that, I think I would have preferred him to do Roger's signature!

But that's just my opinion. I think as other people have said there is a moderate picture improvement over Optimum is you've got good HD equipment. And the price is very reasonable. (Like others, I wish they'd asked us to pay more for more discs.) For someone who doesn't have any Avengers, or even someone who just has the A&E DVDs, then I would recommend the Blu-rays. But from what I've seen so far (which, granted, isn't much), they don't seem like a tremendous improvement over the Optimum releases. In fact, without the copious extras of those, I'd say they're a downgrade.
oh good point. It would be a downgrade without the extras. I was actually joking with you about Tony Curtis as I thought that you told me he SIGNED Roger's name when you asked for his autograph.. I thought it was sort of outrageous but along the lines of something he would do. Anyway glad he just signed in the wrong place. Sadly I don't have his autograph, but I guess seriously my point was that I would much rather pay that amount than get these. I already have too many copies and not enough space. btw I bet that Curtis signature must be worth a lot now.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:
well that's good but basically it sounds like it's the same thing as many of us already have. Maybe called bluray but if it is no better than the existing would you bother to buy any future bluraay releases?


I would probably get Series 4 and 6 if they are released. I might get the Optimum 50th set sometime soon so I can have the extras.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 1st two discs are confirmed at 39.6 GB!


Alan wrote:
So they've not even utilised the full 50GB capacity of the discs!


Nope, the 3rd disc is 44.5gb with 9 episodes. So for 25 episodes they used 125 GB's of space with 150 gigs available. They easily could have released the set with 2 BD-50's and the last on a BD-25. This is literally 8.5 hours of content per disc if they would have filled them.

What are the chances the UK version will be region free?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here you go:

new pitch comparison for The Avengers Blu-ray posted on Spy Vibe. see what you think. the Blu-ray *might* be right between the A&E and Optimum, or on-pitch w Optimum?

http://spyvibe.blogspot.com//11/avengers-review-update.html


I have too say the difference is very subtle to the point of who cares for the bluray. I can live with it. The optimum disc is far more noticeable and annoying.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What are the chances the UK version will be region free?


I'd say it's unlikely they will be Region Free. Since SC have licensed to Lionsgate in the US (and no doubt stipulated a limitation to Region A players), it seems likely they will encode for Region B (creating a cross-Europe edition that can also, potentially, be used in Australia and New Zealand).

Additionally, all Studio Canal Blu-rays I have here at home are Region B only...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the first 2 episodes looked good. Sometimes very good to excellent.
Color and sound are improved over the DVDs IMO as well.

Escape in time is up next!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluray.com posted a review..

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Avengers-Season-5-Blu-ray/111266/#Review
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Lando wrote:
I thought the first 2 episodes looked good. Sometimes very good to excellent.
Color and sound are improved over the DVDs IMO as well.

Escape in time is up next!


The sad thing is if they would have put 5 episodes per disc which is the standard for British tv in the States like with The Prisoner or Space 1999 which both have bitrates right at 20 mbps for video it would have been a home run with excellent video throughout. The masters are that good! Let's hope region B does it right and maybe with a little lossless audio to boot.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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oh good point. It would be a downgrade without the extras. I was actually joking with you about Tony Curtis as I thought that you told me he SIGNED Roger's name when you asked for his autograph.. I thought it was sort of outrageous but along the lines of something he would do. Anyway glad he just signed in the wrong place. Sadly I don't have his autograph, but I guess seriously my point was that I would much rather pay that amount than get these. I already have too many copies and not enough space. btw I bet that Curtis signature must be worth a lot now.


Ha! Sorry, I was tired last night. I should have gotten your callback. It would be a better story if he'd actually signed Roger's name!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brisco wrote:
anti-clockwise wrote:
oh good point. It would be a downgrade without the extras. I was actually joking with you about Tony Curtis as I thought that you told me he SIGNED Roger's name when you asked for his autograph.. I thought it was sort of outrageous but along the lines of something he would do. Anyway glad he just signed in the wrong place. Sadly I don't have his autograph, but I guess seriously my point was that I would much rather pay that amount than get these. I already have too many copies and not enough space. btw I bet that Curtis signature must be worth a lot now.


Ha! Sorry, I was tired last night. I should have gotten your callback. It would be a better story if he'd actually signed Roger's name!
No worries. Now I have the story straight. Any idea why Persuaders is $60 vs. $20 for TA? Perhaps this is mass marketing and Persuaders a smaller niche? Can't figure out-3X as much.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using the Avengers Blu-ray release as a yardstick for other Blu-ray releases of a similar type (TV series releases) is a mistake.

This Avengers release is clearly aimed at the budget market and Lionsgate clearly have little faith that a proper release of the series, across a sensible number of discs, with commentaries and other extras, is viable.

Lionsgate's Series 5 release is across just three discs, has no extras, and has seriously short-changed US fans of the series. Yes, it's cheap, but it smacks of cheap too.

The Persuaders and other TV series releases of its type have been issued spread across circa double the amount of discs included in The Avengers set, and include several discs of extras (though sometimes these are DVDs).

They are often packaged in collectible packaging (something I could do without, to be honest) and The Persuaders (UK) even includes a book!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for all your feedback on the picture quality. I was seriously considering ( finally ) buying a BluRay player on the basis of this release. However with no extras and little change to picture quality, it doesn't seem justified. Unless the UK release is different?
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Yes, the UK release will be different. AIUI Lionsgate have gone it alone on this release whereas the UK, France and Germany are co-operating to produce a definitive European version.

Besides anything else, the confirmation from StudioCanal UK that their releases of Series 4, 5 and 6 will be 7, 7 and 9 disc sets respectively telegraphs that they have approached the release of the series in HD in a far more sensible and ambitious way.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks heavens for that Alan!

Do we have any approximate ideas on timescales for release into Europe and esp the UK?

Doesn't seem like 4 years ago I was treasuring the DVDs when they arrived in my postbox!
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Alan wrote:
Yes, the UK release will be different. AIUI Lionsgate have gone it alone on this release whereas the UK, France and Germany are co-operating to produce a definitive European version.

Besides anything else, the confirmation from StudioCanal UK that their releases of Series 4, 5 and 6 will be 7, 7 and 9 disc sets respectively telegraphs that they have approached the release of the series in HD in a far more sensible and ambitious way.


Thank goodness. I know the wait is frustrating, but I'm WILLING to wait for them to get it right. Mainly I hope that they include the great Optimum extras as well as handling the content right. I really don't get Lionsgate's U.S. strategy. Things like Get Smart and The Six Million Dollar Man do well as bargain DVDs at WalMart and Target, but those have big casual followings in this country based on name recognition and nostalgia. Sadly, I don't think The Avengers has that to the same degree here. Certainly not like it does in the UK. So the clear market for American Avengers Blu-rays is the collector crowd, not the casual WalMart shopper. And the collector crowd would have paid more for a better release specifically catered to them. The only thing I can figure is that Lionsgate is just hoping to cash in on Marvel's popularity and hoping WalMart customers confuse the title and confused grandmothers give their Thor-loving grandkids Steed and Peel Blu-rays for Christmas.

Of course, that's the cynical view. The other side of the coin is that for years and years, The Avengers was unavailable in the United States completely, and now it's out in what may not be optimum (ahem), but is still the best home video release this show has ever seen here. (The picture quality is definitely improved over the old DVDs, the price point is certainly improved, and while there are no extras here, there never were on those anyway.)
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Thanks heavens for that Alan!

Do we have any approximate ideas on timescales for release into Europe and esp the UK?


At a guess, the spring. They were scheduled for this month, but have been put back.

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Doesn't seem like 4 years ago I was treasuring the DVDs when they arrived in my postbox!


Seems a lot longer for me, but then I worked on the DVD extras and a lot of water has flowed under the bridge in my life since then. Who'd have thought that I'd end up an author during that time? Certainly not me! Smile
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Brisco wrote:
Thank goodness. I know the wait is frustrating, but I'm WILLING to wait for them to get it right. Mainly I hope that they include the great Optimum extras as well as handling the content right. I really don't get Lionsgate's U.S. strategy. Things like Get Smart and The Six Million Dollar Man do well as bargain DVDs at WalMart and Target, but those have big casual followings in this country based on name recognition and nostalgia. Sadly, I don't think The Avengers has that to the same degree here. Certainly not like it does in the UK.


Oddly enough, the UK market for the series is often over-estimated.

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So the clear market for American Avengers Blu-rays is the collector crowd, not the casual WalMart shopper. And the collector crowd would have paid more for a better release specifically catered to them. The only thing I can figure is that Lionsgate is just hoping to cash in on Marvel's popularity and hoping WalMart customers confuse the title and confused grandmothers give their Thor-loving grandkids Steed and Peel Blu-rays for Christmas.


I can't imagine that's the strategy. After all, once those grandkids realise that Steed and Emma wear their underwear on the inside of their clothing, the discs would be returned for a refund.

I would guess that they have arrived at the release strategy based on the sales of their reissued Emma Peel DVD megaset (which many avoided due to the tired old prints being used) and knowing that the A&E DVDs had been available for ten years from 1998.

I suspect they considered that previous purchasers would go for a Blu-ray upgrade if the price was low. Adding more discs and paying for extras would make the set much more expensive and quite possibly people would say "at that price, I'm happy with my DVDs, VHSs or memories"!

I'm not saying that's correct, just that it is quite possibly the thinking behind pricing the set so cheaply, but I think it will backfire on them.

Sadly, with European editions likely to be region locked, US fans are likely to be saddled with a lesser quality set of Blu-rays. In this day and age, that's very unfortunate, particularly when feature film Blu-ray masters are often made universal and playable anywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read some of the newest reviews on Amazon USA. Most notice the PAL pitch change on Steed and Emma's voices right away. There are also complaints about the contrast having too much white in the picture, but overall they are liking the picture compared to the Emma Megaset DVDs.

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