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The Workaholic
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does season 3 have French or original credits ?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As series 3 was never aired in France, there are no French credits possible in this series. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norbert wrote:
Strange!

Are the episodes at least complete? For example, the French version of "Castle De'ath" runs only hardly 48 minutes, whereas the English original runs almost 50 minutes.
Question from Roobarb's Forum:

Are you sure that the runningtime issues mentioned on the French sets are not due to the 4% PAL speedup? The A&E (24 frames per second, NTSC) running times are 51 minutes per episode. On PAL (25 fps) they run 49 minutes.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we use PAL in Belgium too, which means that my measurements wouldn't provide accurate information to Allard.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No that would not be a problem because if every episode would loose or gain the same percentage of time per episode, it would proof that the episode have not been cut or that from every episode the same amount of seconds was cut. The latter being quite unlikely, it would still show whether there has been cut or not. But please only do so if you want to.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all use PAL in Europe, NTSC is for North America I believe
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I compared the French version of CASTLE DE'ATH (DVD) with the English (Lumière video) and the German version (videotaped). Several scenes are missing in the French version. In this file, the missing scenes are described (in French):
http://theavengers.fr/saison4/episodes4/le_fantome_du_chateau_death.htm

The German version is incomplete, as well, but it runs longer than the French version. All scenes missing in France, are intact here.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watched today: Brief for Murder,
from 10.10 till 11.02, that is from the moment the ABC-screen appears (those three dishes) and the final ABC-screen disappears.
So, that makes 52 minutes.
And, the box mentions "PAL".
So, 52 minutes is rather long. I don't think they have cut anything.
By the way: if they would have cut something, what would they have cut? It looks to me as if cutting parts would actually be much more costly than just ram the original full length on disc.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philippa wrote:
We all use PAL in Europe, NTSC is for North America I believe


The odd thing is that I have several David Bowie dvd's here.
Now, "David Bowie. A Reality Tour" mentions PAL on the box.
However, "David Bowie. Glass Spider" mentions NTSC on the box!
Both work, at least: both work on my computer dvd drives. I haven't tried them on the television dvd drive yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norbert wrote:
I compared the French version of CASTLE DE'ATH (DVD) with the English (Lumière video) and the German version (videotaped). Several scenes are missing in the French version. In this file, the missing scenes are described (in French):
http://theavengers.fr/saison4/episodes4/le_fantome_du_chateau_death.htm

The German version is incomplete, as well, but it runs longer than the French version. All scenes missing in France, are intact here.


Dear, oh dear...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Workaholic wrote:
Does season 3 have French or original credits ?

Original ones. Rather bombastic. I first thought there was something wrong with the screen formatting of the television screen.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter Motte wrote:
Watched today: Brief for Murder,
from 10.10 till 11.02, that is from the moment the ABC-screen appears (those three dishes) and the final ABC-screen disappears.
So, that makes 52 minutes.
And, the box mentions "PAL".
So, 52 minutes is rather long. I don't think they have cut anything.
By the way: if they would have cut something, what would they have cut? It looks to me as if cutting parts would actually be much more costly than just ram the original full length on disc.


I've just watched Death A La Carte and it is approximately 51:15 minutes long (including intro and Weinberg endcredits).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I just received my Season 2 dutch set in the post and won't have time to watch it until tommorow. I'm scared now that they won't be the original english prints. Are the season 2 episodes like the season 4s?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James Harvey wrote:
Hi,
I just received my Season 2 dutch set in the post and won't have time to watch it until tommorow. I'm scared now that they won't be the original english prints. Are the season 2 episodes like the season 4s?




I own season two from A-Film and although I have not seen a lot of the episodes yet, there is nothing I found wrong with them. I think we can relax on the Gale era episodes being cut.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own series 2 as well, and there's nothing wrong with them (luckily)
So nothing to worry about Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
Norbert wrote:
Strange!

Are the episodes at least complete? For example, the French version of "Castle De'ath" runs only hardly 48 minutes, whereas the English original runs almost 50 minutes.
Question from Roobarb's Forum:

Are you sure that the runningtime issues mentioned on the French sets are not due to the 4% PAL speedup? The A&E (24 frames per second, NTSC) running times are 51 minutes per episode. On PAL (25 fps) they run 49 minutes.



Does anyone know if it also differs from DVD player to DVD player?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:
Frankymole wrote:
Norbert wrote:
Strange!

Are the episodes at least complete? For example, the French version of "Castle De'ath" runs only hardly 48 minutes, whereas the English original runs almost 50 minutes.
Question from Roobarb's Forum:

Are you sure that the runningtime issues mentioned on the French sets are not due to the 4% PAL speedup? The A&E (24 frames per second, NTSC) running times are 51 minutes per episode. On PAL (25 fps) they run 49 minutes.



Does anyone know if it also differs from DVD player to DVD player?
Of course, it does not differ from player to player. An American Avengers episode runs 52 min. approx., whereas a European episode only runs 50 min. The episodes of the first three seasons were videotaped. Hence, there is no difference in speed. Furthermore, they are longer anyway. The New Avengers run 51 min. approx. in PAL and 53 min. approx. in NTSC. Some episodes of the Tara King series run 52 min. in PAL because an American master was used.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:

Does anyone know if it also differs from DVD player to DVD player?
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I don't think that's possible.
That could be possible with VHS, because different players could turn at slightly different speeds. Also, the tape could become deformed after a while. But I think dvd players will play very constantly, because the speed of what you're seeing is not directly related to the turning speed of the player. That speed is only relevant for the speed of the incoming bytes in the memory of the player, after which the machine will feed it at the normal rate to the screen. At least, when the dvd player is a player in a computer. But the difference with television sets won't be that big.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are screencaps of the episode running times of disc 2 as shown by DVD decryptor:



VTS_03 is “Castle De’ath”, VTS_04, VTS_05 and VTS_05 are the other 3 episodes.
As you see, the other episodes are 50 minutes, “Castle De’ath” runs only 48 minutes.

It has nothing to do with PAL/NTSC.

And VHS players don't play faster or slower (unlike audiotapes). A PAL VHS player simply plays 25 frames per second. It has nothing to do with the actual tapespeed.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Workaholic wrote:
And VHS players don't play faster or slower (unlike audiotapes). A PAL VHS player simply plays 25 frames per second. It has nothing to do with the actual tapespeed.


Do you mean VHS players also have some kind of memory cach?
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