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denis rigg
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Ian, there you must to supplement the word "Avengers" with other keyword (s), for example by the years - "Avengers" and "1967" - or by performers - "Avengers" and "Macnee" - etc. 
In recent years, this is inevitable that every day on the Internet more and more material on the Marvel' Avengers (much more than British TV Avengers) and I notice that even when in the Russian-language Google I type the keyword Avengers and other, for example "TV" or any performer from the series - I always get to the movies The Avengers. It's harder to look for over the years. 
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denis rigg
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Curious point, dear Avengers fans, when Steed fights Wade - it really isn't Les Crawford as stunt double for James Maxwell.
Maybe Les was as stunt double for James Maxwell only in the fight scene "Emma Peel vs Wade"? Alas, it is not visible on Optimum.
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denis rigg
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I watched the episode Something Nasty in the Nursery by DVD Optimum and noticed the following:
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 607).
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel)
Arthur Howell (Stunt Double for Nanny Roberts)
Cliff Diggins (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed)
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
Paul Weston (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
Yes, it is clear face of Cyd as Emma in the screenshot below:
But there was no doubt how Mike's book refers to Cyd in this episode again on page 223, and there is pic in an interview with Cyd from fanzine Dave Rogers.
Hmm, in addition, it seems that exactly Cyd in Lotus arrives at the parking lot, while the other girl (Annabella Heath?) plays as Emma in Lotus in other footages.
There is a good surprise that Arthur Howell is stunt double for Trevor Bannister not only as a driver in a mini van (Mike's book - page 223 - sadly, it is not clearly on DVD Optimum), but in the next footage too:
That is all. You will not see the face Cliff Diggins, Rocky Taylor, Art Thomas and Paul Weston even on Blu ray, I'm sure.
The most plausible guesses for them may be the following:
Paul Weston as stunt driver and even stunt double for John Steed in footages "Steed + Bentley". Moreover, he can be a double for Steed when he was walking in the park.
Rocky Taylor as John Steed
? Maybe, but frankly looks his participation could not get to the final editing of episode (if he actually was there).
Art Thomas
I think he could be the stunt double for Dudley Foster as a nanny Roberts when Steed punches him in the flat of the general. Art Thomas was a specialist in disguises, so it seems the most likely. He, for example, doubled for Sally Nesbitt in episode The Joker.
Cliff Diggins
Most likely he was a stunt driver.
And I don't know who is the stunt double for Trevor Bannister when Steed hits Gordon near Bentley.  He does not look like any stuntman mentioned in this post.
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Paul has stated that he did all the wheelchair sequences, being towed by a vehicle so he had little to no control.
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denis rigg
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| dissolute wrote: | | Paul has stated that he did all the wheelchair sequences, being towed by a vehicle so he had little to no control. |
Thanks for the info, Piers. Looks like Paul was as the sort of main stuntman in this episode. I think this is so.
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denis rigg
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I watched the episode The Joker by DVD Optimum and noticed the following:
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (pages 609-610).
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed & Max Prendergast)
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel)
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Ola Monsey Chamberlain)
1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:
In fact, it is difficult to determine using DVD, but by identification, he is closer to Joe Dunne than Rocky.
2. The second surprise, I did not find Cyd Child in this episode. All the footages where you see Emma's face in an action (except for her in the car on the background - Annabella Heath? (clearly seen is not Cyd Child)) is given to Diana. There are a few footages where Emma's hand (s) (is) are present on the close-up, but I doubt that they belong to Cyd. It is most likely that all the footages with Cyd were not used or deleted during final editing of TV episode.
3. Yes, it looks like Rocky was doing stunt double for Peter Jeffrey as Max. You do not see his full face, but the hairstyle and manners is like Rocky.
4. Art Thomas probably fell down the stairs for Sally Nesbitt.
Also, there are unknown stand-ins, one of the curious is man on street:
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denis rigg
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I watched the episodes Who's Who??? & Death's Door by DVD Optimum and result is the following:
Who's Who???
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 611).
Les Crawford (Driving Double for Basil [John Steed]) Yes
Joe Farrer (Driving Double for Tulip) it is not visible
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) Looks like
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Not sure
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer) Maybe as stunt double for Tulip
More, there are rumors that Annabella Wise (Heath) was as stunt double for Diana in the fight with Lola.  (source, for example, book The Ultimate Avengers). I analyzed the scenes, definitely if Annabella is in episode, she performed her usual functions.
Death's Door
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 613).
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Yes
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) Yes
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Stapley & Cliford Evans) Yes
Bill Cummings (Stunt Double for Jepson) (exactly stunt driver) it is not visible
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I watched the episode Return of the Cybernauts by DVD Optimum and result is the following:
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 615).
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) Yes
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Yes
Les Crawford (Stunt Driver in Volkswagen) it is not visible
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Benson) Yes
Joe Farrar (Stunt Double for Professor Chadwick) Yes
The presence of Cyd and Rocky are the most obvious in this episode - you can see them in different scenes, from car chase to the fight. You don't even have to have Optimum DVD, you will see it on older video editions too. 
Good example for Cyd as Emma Peel in Lotus in Return of the Cybernauts is following:
Joe Dunne appears for a very short time as stunt double for Benson; in general, Frederick Jaeger does his stunts himself.
An interesting detail is that the same stunt team took part in the episode Who's Who???.
Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 611).
Les Crawford (Driving Double for Basil [John Steed])
Joe Farrer (Driving Double for Tulip)
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed)
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel)
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
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mariocki
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| denis rigg wrote: | I watched the episode The Joker by DVD Optimum and noticed the following:
1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:
In fact, it is difficult to determine using DVD, but by identification, he is closer to Joe Dunne than Rocky.
Also, there are unknown stand-ins, one of the curious is man on street:
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Looks like it could be Paul Weston falling down the stairs?
Here’s a better shot of the actor outside the window of Rabley Park taken from the Blu-ray:
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| mariocki wrote: |
Look like it could be Paul Weston falling down the stairs?
Here’s a better shot of the actor outside the window of Rabley Park taken from the Blu-ray:
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I agree that it's Paul doing the stair fall, I don't recognise the actor in the garden though.
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denis rigg
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Yes, this maybe Paul doing the stair fall - sadly, it's not Blu Ray shot to identify for sure.
Oh, I don't recognise the actor in the garden too.
However, the good news is that my American Blu Ray is going through customs in the USA, and will probably be in Moscow in January.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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American blu ray? They haven't released one!
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denis rigg
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I got the hint, Piers. This one is from Lionsgate, where there are eight episodes on the disc, which looks far beyond the quality of European blu rays.
I suppose this one is in any case higher quality than the DVD.
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Oh, I think the Liongate is just the A&E DVD episodes put onto blu ray discs. A bit of a waste of time & money.
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Here is how! Thanks for the information, Piers. In this case, I still have not bought the due Blu Ray.
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| dissolute wrote: | | Oh, I think the Liongate is just the A&E DVD episodes put onto blu ray discs. A bit of a waste of time & money. |
Recently I received this Blu Ray edition. I am quite pleased, Piers.
The picture quality is better than any DVD of Avengers, including DVD Optimum, respectively. It is looks like the British and German Blu Rays.
A&E DVD:
Optimum DVD:
USA Blu Ray:
1. It looks like the Blu-ray uses the same transfer as Optimum.
2. Based on point above, the audio pitch is exactly the same on this Blu-ray as on the Optimum discs.
3. These are the same prints of episodes as Optimum (except that the entry "The Avengers in Color" for every episode is without music cue), so there are the same pluses and minuses.
For example, plus:
It's nice to notice like Optimum DVD, that footage from scene "Mrs, Peel, we're needed" in the episode The Bird Who Knew Too Much, which, I think, mistakenly played in reverse in all home video releases of episodes before (and probably all TV versions too, which had this scene), is in right seqence. 
One shot from footage:
Some minuses:
Like British DVD edition (Optimum), there are shots in the “air hole” scene of the episode The Superlative Seven that are played back to front: first, the one of aircraft steering wheels is deflected “towards itself” while the altitude barometer drops almost to the “seven” division...
...but then the steering wheel and the altitude barometer move in reverse direction.
Like British DVD edition (Optimum), there are two cuts in episode Return of the Cybernauts.
etc...
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Another sighting of Paul Weston, this time in Escape In Time:
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Good screenshot. Paul Weston plays two roles in this episode.
By the way, when recently I watched the stuntman for Peter Bowles in Escape In Time by Blu Ray, I had a feeling that this could be Romo Gorrara.
Does anyone else have this feeling?
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Right now, I am working on the webpage "French DVD 2017: The New Avengers" for Steedumbrella and watching the Rover TV commercial, I discovered that the driver in the white car was playing by Alan Stuart.
Footages with Alan from this commercial also appears in TNA episode "The Lion and the Unicorn".
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| denis rigg wrote: | Right now, I am working on the webpage "French DVD 2017: The New Avengers" for Steedumbrella and watching the Rover TV commercial, I discovered that the driver in the white car was played by Alan Stuart.
Footages with Alan from this commercial also appears in TNA episode "The Lion and the Unicorn". |
Nice! Well spotted Denis.
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