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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I see it was an joke Wink

I'd like to know where all those mysterious-named towns in The Saint, Department S and Man In a Suitcase are, none of them show up in any road Atlas.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A joke is the most serious thing...
Thank you all so much for your help. I don't live in the UK so it si rather confusing to locate.
I am not currently driving but i plan to go one day and can't find it on my map so i really appreciate the directions. i guess I was wondering what the biggest city it is near. Is it Aldbury?
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aldbury's only a village, so quite small. Borehamwood is the nearest decent-size town to the east, and Watford to the west, but they feel like suburbs of London now anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Franky! i will try with my bad directions to find it on a map and it is south of London?

By the way I saw you last looked at Legacy of Death. one of my favorites! Fantastic! Did you see it with your new DVD set from Germany? How do you like it? Sorry if I am asking in the wrong section.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks Franky! i will try with my bad directions to find it on a map and it is south of London?

By the way I saw you last looked at Legacy of Death. one of my favorites! Fantastic! Did you see it with your new DVD set from Germany? How do you like it? Sorry if I am asking in the wrong section.
A little thread drift is fine I am sure Smile

No, it is north of London - I was using Google Maps, in this sort of area: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.697034,-0.361519&spn=0.147894,0.442543&t=m&z=12

You can then zoom out using the slider to see where it is in relation to London. Of course, Tara's, Emma's etc apartments are in London (the exteriors of them, anyway).

Here's a very familiar lake (and bridge)... https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.651339,-0.302553&spn=0.009626,0.027659&t=m&z=16

Yes, I watched Legacy of Death on the German set. The others on that disk were All Done With Mirrors (or as the Germans call it, Mirror, Mirror, In The Hand) and False Witness. They all looked lovely, and I was able to turn the subtitles off with no problems. The UK set looks lovely too, though!
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much Franky. I was confused because i read somewhere that Avengerland was in southern England but i guess it must be in several different areas around London. I really appreciate the maps and showing me the lake.
What made you decide to buy the German set? If you had to do it all over would you buy both of them or just one? Was just curious. I ordered the UK set. i will be fighting with the packaging no doubt when it arrives. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you so much Franky. I was confused because i read somewhere that Avengerland was in southern England but i guess it must be in several different areas around London.


Anywhere south of Birmingham could roughly be described as southern England, as opposed to 'The North', which some southerners regard as a completely different country ! So, in that respect Avengerland is in southern England. And as mentioned by Franky, for reallly detailed information about locations featured in the Avengers (and many other TV shows) see Tony McKay's appropriately named website here -

http://avengerland.theavengers.tv/intro.htm
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you so much Franky. I was confused because i read somewhere that Avengerland was in southern England but i guess it must be in several different areas around London. I really appreciate the maps and showing me the lake.
What made you decide to buy the German set? If you had to do it all over would you buy both of them or just one? Was just curious. I ordered the UK set. i will be fighting with the packaging no doubt when it arrives. Rolling Eyes
The German set has been an ambition of mine for some time, after reading what the Roobarb's forum thread had to say about it: http://www.zetaminor.com/roobarb/showthread.php?11607-The-Avengers-on-DVD&p=1389470&viewfull=1#post1389470

I just had to save up enough money... The main attraction for me was getting a version of Legacy of Death without the picture and sound problems of other releases, and also to experience the "tasty packaging" and the books which I must admit are very nice indeed (although not worth buying the set just for that). The disks slip in to pages as thick as the UK set, but into recessed disk-shapes from the front, so they don't risk the scratching of sliding in to pockets from the top.

The German set doesn't have all the extras of the UK set, though, and also the Series 1 reconstructions have locked German subtitles on screen. But I have the reconstructions already, and I won't be selling the UK set, as I am a completist Smile

Looks like I made a mistake assuming there were subtitles - apart from the reconstructed series 1 episodes, there are no subtitles; German audio is available as an option, as well as the English audio. Sounds like a good way to practice my German, if I select the "wrong" one!

Alan Hayes covered the set at the bottom of this page on his site: http://declassified.theavengers.tv/wonders_de_dvd.htm

As he says, "Series 2 and 3 plus the surviving Series 1 episodes were dubbed into German language during 2011 and this release marks the first home video release of these episodes in Germany."

Alan Hayes said this on Roobarb's: "In the main, the big loss from the UK set to the German are most of the commentaries from Series 4-6 and one New Avengers commentary is missing also. Additionally, they only feature one of the Emma Peel short films, Das Diadem. No sign of Minikillers, which is marvellous (in its own very individual way!) or the colour footage from Das Diadem (aka Der Goldene SchlŁssel). I've also compared the German and 'corrected' UK versions of Legacy of Death. There's definitely a pitch speed-up on the UK replacement disc, but it has to be said that the actual print used on the German set is clearly from an inferior source and has a video fault. I can't think of the actual term at the moment, but edges are 'fizzing'. Apologies for the dunderhead explanation, but the muggy heat is getting to my brain!"

I didn't notice any picture problem on Legacy, so maybe they've fixed that since a year ago, or maybe my brain is fizzy too Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franky you rock!!!! That was the most thorough explanation i could ask for. I am so disappointed because I already ordered the UK set and I am longing to see Legacy of Death. Haven't seen it since I was a little kid and I thought it was fantastic. Now you say that particular episode in the UK version is not such a good copy.
I can see this is more complex than I even relized. I agree that commentary at the beginning can make it so much more interesting especially the final years. If I may ask, who did they get to do the UK commentary for seasons 4-6?
I was also confused. I thought that the German set did not include TNA but I guess it does. So then it's mostly the bonus material that is lacking in the German set. That is a deal breaker. But bad packaging in the UK set is also a deal breaker.
Well I may end up like yourself and get both sets. What a waste.
Actually have a question. If it was mostly the Legacy episode you were looking for why not buy that season individually rather than the whole german set? Is it just legacy that is speeded up on the UK set or others too?
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no perfect set, unfortunately. It all depends what faults we're prepared to put up with. I'd say the UK complete set is good value, and the German set is also good value especially if you can get it cheaper; it wasn't much fun going through the pain of the UK individual sets which all needed two or three repressings due to faults (except season 3 which was always fine). I lost count of how many I had to send off for replacements.

Things are as good as they're going to get now with the Complete series sets being the best. You shouldn't be disappointed. I think the extras are great on the UK set, and the sound issues are not horrendous even for real nitpickers like me. I don't think any of the other episodes remain speeded-up/pitch-shifted, but the Noise Reduction is a bit heavy-handed. With Legacy, just boost the bass and it should sound OK.

I didn't want to get an individual German set for season 6, because I am a completist and would just end up buying all the other seasons anyway at greater cost. Plus, I wanted the big book Smile I was being a bit facetious - I do want to see what the other prints are like, as they're mostly different to the UK sets, and looking at a few others on the disks they do look nicer to me, that's just my preference for colour balance, stability versus dirt/sparkle, and brightness, I am sure - it's all subjective.

TNA is in the German big set, but they're unrestored prints, so you might as well buy the Optimum TNA-only set with the extra commentary. I do recommend that series, especially season 1. It's great fun especially for Avengers fans not hung up on Emma Peel.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although Avengerland undoubtedly existed in Brian Clemens mind when he was writing the screenplays for the filmed seasons, I seem to recall that it was Tony McKay and myself who christened the area around Borehamwood, Hertfordshire, (where Associated British Picture Corporation Elstree Studios was based) as Avengerland.

The parameters of this go north from Borehamwood to St Albans, with the west and east boundaries being the M1 motorway and the A1 dual carriageway/motorway. This area of six square miles, officially known as Hertsmere, contains a large cluster of filming locations, not only for The Avengers, but also for the various other film series produced at Borehamwood, such as The Champions and The Saint.

I first visited Borehamwood to search for Avengers locations in September 1986 and found about a dozen by simply using an ordinance survey map, which included the bridge at Tykes Water Lake and the roads outside Shenley Hall, as seen in Dead Manís Treasure. The following June, I organised the first ever Dead Manís Treasure Hunt event, which has continued as the only annual Avengers event to the present day.

Meanwhile, Tony McKay set up his impressive Avengerland website and continued with this even after moving to New Zealand and in the intervening years he renamed the Hertsmere/Avengerland region as Inner Avengerland, as over the years we and many other people have discovered a great many Avengers locations outside this area.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Thank you so very much. You have been so very helpful. I wondered if there were places outside of those areas.

When I look at the maps of Avengerland I don't have a good sense of where it is in relation to places I have traveled.

What is Dead Man's Treasure Hunt and when is it? Sounds fascinating.

I wondered if there were any tours of Avengerland.


Franky,
In the long run when you feel like watching Avengers which set do you think you'll use?
Also, are you saying for the 50th anniversary UK set , you had to send back some of the discs or was that something else?

I am a bit apprehensive about these sets that they come in good condition but so excited to finally be getting them soon.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were issues with the initial release of the individual series sets in the UK, the complete collection is correct and even the recently listed issues (which I think are in the German fully collection set) are not present in the UK collection set. I think some of the timecodes are wrong in the UK set due to the PAL pulldown but that won't prevent you from enjoying the episodes.

I understand that the individual series are also corrected but can't confirm that myself.

I'd love to see a bluray release simply because there would be no pulldown issue, the filmed episodes would also improve in visual quality but the first three series would probably not, the remastering done so far is probably the limit of improvement - up to the last Martin King episode, the video is pretty grotty compared to all that came after them anyway.

I still remember the US release of series 3 (A&E) which was like standing in a thick fog, trying to peer in someone's window. Dreadful, nearly put me off Cathy forever.

There's a whole section of the forum dedicated to these discussions:
http://avengersfanforum.s2.bizhat.com/viewforum.php?f=18

The Complete Avengers: 50th Anniversary Edition (39 Discs)

The German release has 53 discs, which suggests less compression has been used, but I can't confirm that.

I'd also love to see a proper remaster of "The New Avengers" and had hoped Network DVD might do it, now they've acquired the rights to "The Pr********als" on bluray (shhhh... it hasn't been officially announced).
However, Network told me they have no plans for "The New Avengers" Sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right. You don't need to worry about the Complete 50th anniversary set, anti-clockwise, they're all fixed.

Because of the menus being in English, I'm most likely to use the UK set for everyday watching, though I'll run through all the German ones first to check for any one-off problems (in my copy, not the pressing as a whole!). I'll make sure I put the disks in better cases than the UK "book", though.

As to TNA, it'd probably be best if people wrote to Canal following the recent showings on ITV4 to demonstrate the interest is there; however, I'm too lazy...
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Well I suppose I'm lazy too! So glad they fixed the problems with the UK set.
Oh blu ray would be a dream!

So I was wondering if Avengers is currently being shown on tv now anywhere? in UK?

I am in the US and it is depressing. No Avengers on tv. And I cannot figure out why but you just can't get the DVD's. No 50th anniversary set. And if you go on US amazon site you can buy the German set for almost $300 or what is that 215 euros? It is just crazy. I thank all those that contributed here on this site for helping me out, not loose hundreds of wasted dollars on the DVD's.
What's up with that? I think Avengers is still quite popular here. Question
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It must be something to do with the rights situation for the USA, although I get confused between my A&Es and my Weintraubs and my StudioCanals...

I suppose it's possible StudioCanal are trying to sort out a partnering arrangement like before, or perhaps they're as bad at marketing as they are at getting DVD mastering right first time...

No idea why it's not on telly though. We've had a couple of UK runs in recent years, with BBC4 showing the colour Riggs (twice or thrice) and the B&W ones once, and the BBC and ITV4 showing the New Avengers. Sadly, Tara and Cathy have not been seen for some time, since Bravo (satellite channel) and Channel 4 showings in the 90s if I recall correctly.
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I don't know quite what the situation is, either. A&E's licence from Canal expired, I know that much, and no North American company has been issued a new licence since. I don't know if it's because there's no perceived market for it, or no one's keen enough to do it to ask for a licence, or if Canal isn't interested in doing region one releases, or what. It shouldn't have anything to do with Weintraub, though--his rights extend to any new productions of the show, but DVDs should be outside his remit.

I haven't seen the show on TV for ages, either. It used to be on an educational channel here as part of a distance education course, and then later popped up on Bravo, starting with TNA, and then drifting into seasons 5 and 6. I haven't come across it in the listings since, which is rather sad.
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Iím glad to have been of assistance. This years Dead Manís Treasure Hunt event will be held over the weekend of July 6th and 7th.

Regarding tours of Avengerland, the format of the event has always been that the Saturday morning and afternoon has always involved visits to Avengers/New Avengers locations and over the years we have visited many locations.

Off the top of my headÖ

North Mimms Park (The Hidden Tiger, Something Nasty in the Nursery)

Woolmers Park (Return of the Cybernauts, The Curious Case of the Countless Clues)

Radlett Prep School (From Venus with Love, What the Butler Saw, All Done with Mirrors)

Haberdashers Askeís School (Never Never Say Die, Split, Return of the Cybernauts)

High Canons (The Winged Avenger, From Venus with Love)

Stanmore Hall (From Venus with Love, The Winged Avenger

Shenley Hall (Dead Manís Treasure, The Bird Who Knew Too Much)

Shenley Lodge (The House That Jack Built, The See-Through Man)

Rabley Park and Rabley Park Farm (Dead Manís Treasure, All Done With Mirrors)

In the past the event has been based at two actual locations in The Edgewarebury Hotel (You Have Just Been Murdered , The Curious Case of the Countless Clues) and The Grims Dyke Hotel (Game)

Over the years there have been 3 tours around Elstree Studios and 2 around Pinewood Studios and Linda Thorson, Brian Clemens, John Hough, Caroline Munro and Anneka Wills have been guests.

The Sunday morning is a recreation (of sorts) of the car treasure hunt from the episode, which concludes somewhere where a buffet has been arranged and the adjudicators work out who has won.

This is worked out from a mixture of cryptic questions that need to be answered at each checkpoint, which is usually a filming location and items of treasure to be collected along the way, such as a copy of a newspaper from last week or a used bus ticket. You are awarded points for both these and then they are combined to decid the winning team.
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Dear Mike
That is truly a class act! What a fun day that sounds like. Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. So it sounds like there are some poor folks that go hungry on Sunday.

Is that something you announce on this website or is there another site i should go on if i am able to go to the event. Also the tours by the studios that occasionally happen, I assume just contact the studio?

I had no idea there was any gatherings related to the Avengers still going on. That is marvelous!
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anti-clockwise wrote:

Is that something you announce on this website or is there another site i should go on if i am able to go to the event. Also the tours by the studios that occasionally happen, I assume just contact the studio?


There used to be a website for the treasure hunt, but it now seems to have disappeared.

The studio visits are usually arranged by the treasure hunt organisers - Elstree and Pinewood don't arrange tours themselves. If you're a Harry Potter fan though, you can go on a tour of Leavesden Studios where the Potter films were made.

For a slightly wobbly look at what the treasure hunt location tour looked like in the early days, there's this clip on youtube -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1_s61U4QVE
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