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Timeless A-Peel
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
He did have a little mini-breakdown every time he lost a costar, though, if what's he wrote is to be believed. There was always a stint of "But we can't possibly do it without Ian/Honor/Diana/Linda!"


Hmm, I don't think he felt that way about Ian Hendry and Linda Thorson. He certainly adored Honor and Diana. Anyway the series had ended before Linda could leave. He may have done had she left the show... he's a complicated man.


I think there was some trepidation on his part about taking over the show after Ian, and concerning Linda, I meant TNA, really--whether or not they could do it again.

I think he would have left with Linda, yes. I think he would've phased himself out even if she'd stayed on. He's looking tired and losing his enthusiasm by the end, you can tell. Almost a decade playing the same character is a long time. I'd have gotten fed up, too. We may have ended up with a TNA format either way.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Although, to be fair, Patrick's said on various occasions that he should have left when Honor did as well, or should have stopped with the Taras and never done TNA, or that TNA should have gone on longer because they were just starting to gel as a team. I don't think even he knew half the time what he wanted.


True. I think his opinion is confused which might explain why he didn't have a clear vision of what he wanted to do.

When Pat said he should have left with Honor Blackman, I think he meant he would have liked Honor to have carried on, onto film and into colour, not leave with her in 1964 - before the US success of the show. So I think he was still thinking of the same time-frame: 1967.

We also have to remember Patrick was still quite happy to don the bowler after the end of The Avengers and before The New Avengers in TV spots and commercials, and after in guest appearences in American TV shows. He really was "always doing" The Avengers in one way or another! Smile


He's also said the Blackman shows were the best, and he did want to see Cathy Gale on film. Perhaps you're right--he wasn't considering leaving outright. He did have a little mini-breakdown every time he lost a costar, though, if what's he wrote is to be believed. There was always a stint of "But we can't possibly do it without Ian/Honor/Diana/Linda!"

I haven't seen as much of Patrick's other stuff as I'd like. I've seen clips from some of his stuff online, though, and he does seem to play very Steedish roles. His part in A View to a Kill was very Steed, but he's one of my favourite parts of the film, particularly his interaction with Roger Moore (and it's always a treat to see Patrick with horses, because he's so familiar with them and that comes over on screen). In some ways he seemed proud to be associated with the show and Steed, and content to live on that way, but I could see how it would get tiresome after awhile.


The one I remember most is his appearance on The Hardy Boys. It was pretty much implied that he was Steed. They obviously didn't want to pay the licensing fees, but he dressed like him, acted like him. They never called him by name in the show, but the TV Guide credits listed him as "S". And at the end he sees someone he recognises... "Ah Mrs..."
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
We also have to remember Patrick was still quite happy to don the bowler after the end of The Avengers and before The New Avengers in TV spots and commercials, and after in guest appearences in American TV shows. He really was "always doing" The Avengers in one way or another! Smile


I haven't seen much of Patrick's post-Avengers work either but I agree, he really enjoyed being Steed and playing Steed-like characters after the show but at the same time it must have been frustrating for him to be so closely identified with one role.

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This is from another part of the Leslie Phillips autobiography. It has nothing to do with this thread but, as it was witnessed by Patrick Macnee, I thought it would be of some interest...

Leslie and Patrick were having dinner on Sunset Strip in a restaurant that was divided into two and four seat cubicles. A conversation could be heard from another cubicle that was so sexually graphic that both felt embarrassed to listen. Later the conversation changed and the woman (Leslie says, 'you couldn't call her a lady') started accusing her companion of having interests elsewhere.

The more he denied it the angrier she became and the insults became more wildly targeted about her male companions anatomy. Patrick and Leslie's conversation had grounded to a halt, by which time the was a crescendo of insults and out burst free from the cubicle none other but Judy Garland and an un-named film director.


Interesting story, Dandy. I've never heard it before and that "un-named director" might have been Vincente Minnelli, who was one of Judy's husbands.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Judy, Judy.. Reply with quote

Artanis wrote:
Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
We also have to remember Patrick was still quite happy to don the bowler after the end of The Avengers and before The New Avengers in TV spots and commercials, and after in guest appearences in American TV shows. He really was "always doing" The Avengers in one way or another! Smile


I haven't seen much of Patrick's post-Avengers work either but I agree, he really enjoyed being Steed and playing Steed-like characters after the show but at the same time it must have been frustrating for him to be so closely identified with one role.

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
This is from another part of the Leslie Phillips autobiography. It has nothing to do with this thread but, as it was witnessed by Patrick Macnee, I thought it would be of some interest...

Leslie and Patrick were having dinner on Sunset Strip in a restaurant that was divided into two and four seat cubicles. A conversation could be heard from another cubicle that was so sexually graphic that both felt embarrassed to listen. Later the conversation changed and the woman (Leslie says, 'you couldn't call her a lady') started accusing her companion of having interests elsewhere.

The more he denied it the angrier she became and the insults became more wildly targeted about her male companions anatomy. Patrick and Leslie's conversation had grounded to a halt, by which time the was a crescendo of insults and out burst free from the cubicle none other but Judy Garland and an un-named film director.


Interesting story, Dandy. I've never heard it before and that "un-named director" might have been Vincente Minnelli, who was one of Judy's husbands.


Judy's antics were the stuff of legends..Her MGM period was full of wild tales and adventures..

She loved men...and sadly, at times, made some poor choices..

only 45 when she passed in 1969....she left a wealth of films and music,to say the least
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Judy's antics were the stuff of legends..Her MGM period was full of wild tales and adventures..

She loved men...and sadly, at times, made some poor choices..

only 45 when she passed in 1969....she left a wealth of films and music,to say the least


Yes, I'm a big fan of Judy Garland too! I have just about all of her music and movies. It's a tragedy that she died so young and had so many problems during her life.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor old Pat.

If you read Blind in One Ear you'll be suprised he isn't utterly bonkers. Many actors are drawn to that profession because they feel more comfortable or confident pretending to be some one else. And adulation is very gratifying, especially if you lack it from your parents.

Another thing that he mentioned to me [we met once when I was organising part of his Avengers and Me book signing tour] is that he was off on sick leave [in hospital] during the War when his MTB [or some such small boat he was assigned to] was lost with all hands in action. As a result he felt guilty that he'd not been with them.

I suspect that Pat was playing Steed as him self [or the self he wanted to be] to a certain extent which didn't stretch him as an actor. But what he lost out on artistic integrity and satisfaction was compensated by the eternal love of a multitude of fans and a jolly good living.

Was Pat always playing Steed? I think Steed is Pat. When you see Pat acting 'out of charactor' [Battle Star Galactica], I think you're seeing Steed act.

Could anyone else play Steed? I rather feel that Mr Feines proves that the answer's 'no'.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless A-Peel wrote:

Ah, I see. Although, to be fair, Patrick's said on various occasions that he should have left when Honor did as well...


Oh, horror of horrors, if MacNee had left the series before the Emma Peel years! Shocked We would all be destitute if that magic collaboration had never taken place. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artanis wrote:

I haven't seen much of Patrick's post-Avengers work either but I agree, he really enjoyed being Steed and playing Steed-like characters after the show but at the same time it must have been frustrating for him to be so closely identified with one role.


One post-Avengers role that was a departure was his cameo in Spinal Tap where he plays a pompous buffoon of a record company exec. Very un-Steedish.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patrick is also good in The Howling as a psychiatrist.

I think he is a unique actor, and a commanding presence - he's one of the few people who could dominate any scene he wanted to with his mere presence. And what a voice - during the holiday, there was a clip of him reciting the "Yes Virginia There Is A Santa Claus" work, and it was mesmerizing.

I think the Avengers Forever site says that the Avengers and Me book was heavily edited after his various leads objected to bits. I hope that this didn't lead to any fall-out between them all (though the pix on the Christmas banner of Steed and his three lovely assistants looks recent, so I hope everybody is still friends).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uncle Jack wrote:
Artanis wrote:

I haven't seen much of Patrick's post-Avengers work either but I agree, he really enjoyed being Steed and playing Steed-like characters after the show but at the same time it must have been frustrating for him to be so closely identified with one role.


One post-Avengers role that was a departure was his cameo in Spinal Tap where he plays a pompous buffoon of a record company exec. Very un-Steedish.


Not to mention 'Shadey' with Antony Sher - no evidence of Steed there.
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