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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:50 pm    Post subject: Man-Eater of Surrey Green Reply with quote

I was working my way, for the 2nd time, through a 50 Movie DVD Pack of Sci-Fi Classics when I came across They Came From Beyond Space, (1967). It shares a similar plot to The Avengers' Man-Eater of Surrey Green, (1965). Even the cast of They Came From Beyond Space, which was British made, contains a surprisingly large number of actors who appeared in various Avenger episodes.

I posted this comment on David K. Smith's original version of this website, possibly 12 years ago. But since all those topics have been lost, I mention it again now in case people might be interested in seeing They Came From Beyond Space. I enjoyed it, and enjoyed seeing so many familiar faces showing up in a completely different setting.

Both the movie and The Avengers episode were based on a book titled The Gods Hate Kansas. It was first published in 1948 and was still in print into the 1960's.

Incidentally, the 50 Movie DVD Pack of Sci-Fi Classics was a bit of a joke. It contains some really boring, awful movies, several Hercules movies, and some monster movies.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Man-Eater of Surrey Green Reply with quote

Dfrise wrote:
I was working my way, for the 2nd time, through a 50 Movie DVD Pack of Sci-Fi Classics when I came across They Came From Beyond Space, (1967). It shares a similar plot to The Avengers' Man-Eater of Surrey Green, (1965). Even the cast of They Came From Beyond Space, which was British made, contains a surprisingly large number of actors who appeared in various Avenger episodes.

I posted this comment on David K. Smith's original version of this website, possibly 12 years ago. But since all those topics have been lost, I mention it again now in case people might be interested in seeing They Came From Beyond Space. I enjoyed it, and enjoyed seeing so many familiar faces showing up in a completely different setting.

Both the movie and The Avengers episode were based on a book titled The Gods Hate Kansas. It was first published in 1948 and was still in print into the 1960's.

Incidentally, the 50 Movie DVD Pack of Sci-Fi Classics was a bit of a joke. It contains some really boring, awful movies, several Hercules movies, and some monster movies.
interesting. thanks for reposting. Dfrise, were the writers the same for the movie and TA episode?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll find that the 1976 Doctor Who adventure 'The Seeds of Doom' also bears a remarkable similarity to MEOSG too. Uncanny in fact.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not seen They Came from Beyond Space, but there's a simple reason for the similarity between Man-Eater of Surrey Green and the Doctor Who serial The Seeds of Doom - they share the same writer, Robert Banks Stewart.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
I've not seen They Came from Beyond Space, but there's a simple reason for the similarity between Man-Eater of Surrey Green and the Doctor Who serial The Seeds of Doom - they share the same writer, Robert Banks Stewart.


I thought Philip Levine wrote it. It's got his technical style
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is Philip Levene. Robert Banks Stewart wrote Quick Quick slow death and Masterminds. Alan pointed out the Dr Who connection which I hadn't realised. I've only thought of Terry Nation, who I have to say didn't get what made The Avengers tick. This has got me thinking now! Smile Does anyone know which writers wrote for both Dr Who and The Avengers Question

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Terrence Dicks and Malcolm Hulke

not sure of anyone else
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Lucarotti
Dennis Spooner
Peter Ling
Malcolm Hulke & Terrance Dicks
Geoffrey Orme
Robert Banks Stewart
Bill Strutton
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Smile I'll have to look up which Dr Who episodes they wrote to see how they compare with their Avengers scripts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Experimental change to my site to include the crew in the other shows pages:
http://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avengers-tv-series/other-shows/doctor-who.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberrich wrote:
Thanks. Smile I'll have to look up which Dr Who episodes they wrote to see how they compare with their Avengers scripts.


didn't Lucaretti write the zMarco Polo episode on Dr Who?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frank wrote:
Alan wrote:
I've not seen They Came from Beyond Space, but there's a simple reason for the similarity between Man-Eater of Surrey Green and the Doctor Who serial The Seeds of Doom - they share the same writer, Robert Banks Stewart.


I thought Philip Levine wrote it. It's got his technical style


Good lord, what a faux pas! I've laboured under that misapprehension for goodness knows how long, and despite having seen Man-Eater of Surrey Green many times over the years, I've never realised my mistake.

I'm going to shuffle off into a corner now in embarrassment... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Frank, Lucarotti did write the Marco Polo serial for Doctor Who (as well as The Aztecs and The Massacre. He also wrote the original version of what became The Ark in Space in 1975, though that was rewritten by Robert Holmes and Lucarotti ultimately received no on-screen credit.).

As for other Avengers episodes that have direct similarities to Doctor Who stories, anyone watching the 1975 adventure Robot (which introduced the fabulous Tom Baker as the Doctor) will definitely notice elements of The Mauritius Penny.

The Avengers episode was written by Malcolm Hulke and Terrance Dicks; Dicks became head script editor of Doctor Who in 1969 and went on to write Robot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, okay, here's what I've love to discuss.

In Man-Eater of Surrey Green, at the beginning, in the mansion, we see a mannequin in the hallway. A mannequin. In the hallway. What mansion has a mannequin in the hallway? Why would a mannequin be in the hallway? Isn't that suspicious--wouldn't an astute viewer think it was perhaps some subtle (or not so subtle) telegraph it would be used in the future??

Cut to the big fight scene at the end which is, very rarely for The Avengers, poorly edited in a spot or two. In that big alien fight scene, Steed pours the insecticide over the mannequin wearing Emma's vest. The mannequin we saw earlier, in the hallway of the mansion. The mannequin telegraphing the future of its use.

My question is--why do some people feel Steed poured the insecticide over Emma Peel? (cough, cough, *my friend Biff*, cough, cough). How many folks on this forum vote mannequin or Emma?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, definitely the mannequin. That's why she's missing her leather jacket at the end.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, the sequence is somewhat ambiguously directed, so it's not surprising that some people - myself included - thought for some time that it was Emma being doused with insecticide and not the mannequin.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to dig the DVD out as I've never noticed that it's the mannequin before.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely the mannequin, to my mind. That's why Emma is missing her jacket at the end, and recovers in a hallway behind Steed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched this episode recently and thought it was strange that Steed was dousing Emma with insecticide, it hadn't occurred to me it was the manikin.

It seems to me a crucial jacket switching scene is missing.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had this episode ever since I recorded it on VHS from Channel 4 in 1985, and for the last few years on the Studio Canal set. I've watched it countless times over the last 31 years, but it has never occurred to me Steed was dousing a mannequin. It has always looked like Emma being doused, something that has always jarred if I'm honest. Surely something Steed would never subject Mrs Peel to, and now it seems he didn't. I will have to watch this again, and I will be scrutinising that particular scene very closely. Laughing Rich.
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