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Australian Avengers DVD Releases: December 2016
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Brendan Jones
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How strange. Did Baker's estate object? Brian's solo commentaries are present.

Also on here are an Anneke Wills intro for The £50,000 Breakfast!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:

What's the picture quality like compared to Optimum?
I had a Madman set of Dangerman which I'd bought for the extra commentary tracks, intending to replace my ancient A&E set (thinking a new PAL DVD would be better than the older NTSC DVD), but the video was over-compressed and brittle (over-sharpened). I couldn't bear watching it so I kept my older set and sold the new one.


Just eyeballed Town of No Return and it looked lovely, but I'll do some side by side screen grabs later tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, Brendan, could you take a screenshot or photo about DVD menu, too. Very interesting to see it. Smile

I liked how you played the leading role in the video for unboxing Australian Avengers DVD set, even though I know English by ear badly, I watched it till the end. Smile

Sadly, Brian Clemens and Roy Ward Baker commentaries not on the Madmen set, although the new bonuses are attractive. Smile

Brendan, there are interesting topic about versions of episodes, too:

http://avengersfanforum.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=3253

If you will have time and wishing, it would was great to hear about variant of print on new Australian DVD for episode The Danger Makers, b/w episode with Emma Peel. (Post dated by Dec 11, 2016, through link above).

Thanks you for all these posts, very helpful and informative.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very jealous of the packaging compared to the UK released! Oh and the Avengers at 50 stuff!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, it's definitely the case that 14 minutes of footage is missing from "All Done with Mirrors" - it looks like a mastering error as the episode reports it's only 35:36 long (or thereabouts).

It's missing an entire DVD "chapter" from the end of the opening credits until the red herring where Seligman is lowering his binoculars after looking at the lighthouse (i.e. after the first ad break).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
Sadly, it's definitely the case that 14 minutes of footage is missing from "All Done with Mirrors" - it looks like a mastering error as the episode reports it's only 35:36 long (or thereabouts).

It's missing an entire DVD "chapter" from the end of the opening credits until the red herring where Seligman is lowering his binoculars after looking at the lighthouse (i.e. after the first ad break).


Oh my Steed!!! Shocked Very unexpected. It remains to wait for fixes.

Thanks, Piers, an interesting point. Wonder how there are things with the version of episodes from 4 season that were cut on DVD Optimum... If you will check, it will be great.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm away in Melbourne for a few days, but will investigate these problems when I get home. Has Madman given any statement regarding a replacement? That's 14 minutes of Linda commentary we're missing too!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brendan Jones wrote:
I'm away in Melbourne for a few days, but will investigate these problems when I get home


Wish to Good days in Melbourne, Brendan. Smile Thanks for wishing to check the problems.


Brendan Jones wrote:
Has Madman given any statement regarding a replacement? That's 14 minutes of Linda commentary we're missing too!


Bad things.
Sadly, on moment I did not see any statement regarding a replacement? Probably have to go to a company with a personal letter (though it is quite possible that someone has already done it, after reading these posts).
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brendan Jones wrote:
How strange. Did Baker's estate object? Brian's solo commentaries are present.

Also on here are an Anneke Wills intro for The £50,000 Breakfast!


Nothing to do with Baker's estate, simple case of Canal Plus not asking me if I would allow them to use them (I own the rights).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confirmed- All Done With Mirrors jumps straight to the start of Act Two. There's about five frames of artefacting at the beginning of the lighthouse shot, which indicates an authoring or mastering error. I'll email Madman tonight.

I'll also be doing the side by side shots tonight on the following eps:

The Frighteners
Mr Teddy Bear
Brief for Murder
The Danger Makers
Murdersville
Stay Tuned
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have good news I wanted to share immediately.

Firstly, Stay Tuned, and thus I presume the rest of the film episodes, have the correct pitch.

Secondly- there is no difference I can see between the Optimum and Madman editions of Stay Tuned. See below.

Stay Tuned Comparison

I've spent the rest of the night puzzling over the All Done With Mirrors problem, so not more comparisons tonight- see below!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the topic of All Done With Mirrors- the missing 15 minutes of footage IS on the disc! Furthermore, the episode is watchable in full on a computer using VLC player. I'll go into that first- technical explanation to follow.

Load up your disc in VLC, and it'll load the DVD menu. Instead of clicking on the episode title, use the menus to select: Playback > Titles > Title 7. Click here for an illustration.

This will take you directly to the episode. If you want the commentary, use the menus to select: Audio > Audio Track > Track 2. Click for an illustration. Track 1 is the original episode audio.

Continue for the technical info!

I decided to check the sizes of the VOB files on the disc. The episodes take up Titles 4-7 on the disc, and all four titles are around the same data volume (around 1.92 GB). This means that roughly the same amount of footage exists for each episode.

Loading the VOB files directly into VLC Player for Title 7 shows the opening for All Done With Mirrors- albeit with distortion due to copyright protection (the files aren't designed to be played in this way). Screen grabs below!

Title Card
Tara almost beside herself

This further indicates an authoring error- there is only one version of All Done with Mirrors on the disc. However, while it is listed as Title 7, the menu button links instead to Title 8 (original audio) or 9 (Commentary). These titles access the same data as Title 7, but ignore Chapters 3 and 4 of the episode. These incomplete versions has six chapters, where the complete version has ten. The general structure is:

Chapter 1: Studio Canal Logo
Chapter 2: Titles
Chapter 3: Teaser
Chapter 4: Act One
Chapter 5: Act Two
Chapter 6: Act Three
Chapter 7: Act Four
Chapter 8: Tag
Chapter 9: End Titles
Chapter 10: DVD Authoring Credits (only on final eps of discs)

For All Done With Mirrors, the link on the menu jumps to the incomplete version of the episode- Title 8 if you select original Audio and Title 9 if you select Commentary (although both tracks are available on both). No other episode with commentary is authored in this way- there is one title on the disk, and the title links to the various audio tracks as instructed.

In conclusion: the episode is there in full, but is not accessible via normal means. There is only one copy of the episode on the disk, but it is indexed three times, with the two wrongly authored titles being accessed via the menu, and the correct version of the episode on Title 7.

I doubt we'll hear back from Optimum this week, but I'll include the above technical info in my email to them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madman are back at work from tomorrow - at least, some of them are, we won't know for a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The response from Madman so far:
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So annoying after so much work!! Iíll let you know what I discover once I talk to my production team, so you can inform your readers.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks, Brendan, for your detailed look at the technical side of some episodes in DVD edition. Smile Cheers for correct pitch in film episodes!!!

It seems there is a very little difference in versions of episode Stay Tuned from the Optimum and Madman editions - color shades. But it is necessary to look at a close-up for sure.

There is one more interesting riddle, Brendan - the names of the director and writer for the episode Too Many Christmas Trees. Wonder, is there Roy Baker and Tony Williamson (correct titles) or is there Roy Baker and Brian Clemens... Confused

Well, let's wait for news about production team's response from Piers.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sent a message on the Madman website regarding the missing segment of "All Done With Mirrors". I suggest everyone else who bought it to do the same. (It matters not that it is accessible on a computer; I didn't buy it to put it into a computer).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news from Madman is they are issuing replacement discs for the "All Done with Mirrors" issue - if you bought directly from them you may have already received an email. Otherwise, stay tuned and I'll see if they're doing a send in and replacement offer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm so saddened to have to miss out on the Honor and Linda commentaries with O'Grady, he has a wonderful rapport with them so I just know they'll be great to listen to. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too would love to hear those commentaries. My hope is that Paul O'Grady doesn't interrupt the recollections with too many of his renown funny remarks...
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Linda Thorson is delightful in the interviews. If you were at all unsure about her, it is unwarranted. She is a real champion for the show. Her comments alone made it worth the price of the set for me. She said that everyone involved with The Avengers and all the fans should "pat yourselves on the back" for loving "one of the Top 5 shows ever". Right on, Linda.
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