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Which do you prefer? "Targets" or "Suits of Armor" (S6 intro/outro)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject: Season 6 Intro & Credits: "Targets" vs "S Reply with quote

I have always been fascinated by the alternate intro/outro to Season 6.
My understanding is that the "Targets" sequence was produced for the following 7 episodes in the USA only:

"Split"
"The Forget-Me-Knot"
"Invasion of the Earthmen"
"The Curious Case of the Countless Clues"
"Get-A-Way!"
"Have Guns- will Haggle"
"Look- (Stop Me If You've Heard This One) But There Were These Two Fellers..."

Is that correct? And is it true that only "Split" retains these credits on all commercially available recordings?

Also, I learned that Fuest directed the "Suits of Armor" but who directed the "Targets" and also the Season 5 intros? Anyone?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always preferred the target credits, they seem much more in keeping with the Rigg colour series style. The suits of armour credits are far too random.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Booth directed the target credits (he was post-production coordinator).

Loath as I am to accept the early episodes as their own season with the late Ring episodes (Smile), I do like that the episodes had their own unique intros and they're nicely stylish.

But the proper season 6 titles are my favourite. They feel like a natural progression for the show titles. We start off with crude photos and then a bit of crude animation then the show goes into film and can afford a proper stylised photo session, then it goes into colour and can creative a physical space to shoot in and that's followed by titles that are shot outside - the series finally able to escape the confines of the studio.

It's a shame that the weather wasn't better for the titles haha but i love the air they give the show. And random pink doorways in fields is wonderfully sixties.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
Harry Booth directed the target credits (he was post-production coordinator).


Thank you for the info, Darren.

I must say I prefer the Targets. I just love Macnee's expression as he inspects the "injured" bowler.

If these have been omitted from the commercially available BluRays/DVDs, that is a great shame!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

even more interesting that the Targets intro/end credits which were shown in the US are slightly different from each other at the very end of the end credits

In one set Steed/Tara are walking away. In another set they are just posing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One Interesting - or rather disappointing thing about the Targets opening credits for "Split" is that although the visual sequence is correct, the music track is not! The correct music soundtrack has a gunfire-sound at the end, at the point at which Steed quickly moves his bowler away from him, and it is left with a hole in it. The music track on all the current copies of "Split" , as far as I know, (DVD, Blu-ray) is the one used for the Armour opening credits. I can only assume that the correct music track has been lost. I would love to know if this is the case. I remember when Channel 4 showed the Thorson episodes originally, the episode "Look (Stop me if you've heard this one..)." had the Target credits with the correct music track. (I taped it at the time, though not sure if i still have the VHS tape somewhere.) So it means the track was available on at least one print as of the 1980s.

Just to add, I actually like both sets of titles equally. The targets one has Linda with the "hairstyle" (or really the wig!) seen in those episodes and the Armour one has her later hairstyle! That seems fitting to me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame we couldn't get the option on the DVD to watch the relevant episodes with the target titles.

I haven't had a chance to check them for ages but didn't the season 6 DVD include two sets of end titles for the Forget me knot..?

All previous releases of that episode had the full new recording of the season 6 theme music but the DVD presented the opening few sections as the 1965 recording before cutting into the new music.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you mention about having the option to view the Targets credits-i actually e-mailed Jaz Wiseman about this while he was preparing the special features for the Optimum sets. I also asked about the option to view the Chessboard opening sequence for series 4, just for completeness. (There were other features I asked about, but I can't remember them now). He kindly replied saying that they had got a limited budget for all the features and he wanted to concentrate on getting as many of them as he could. From this I gathered that it would be a bit costly to have the "branching" option on some, or all the discs in a set.

re: forget-me-knot closing credits. Yes, there is an alternative take on this. If memory serves, one features Linda Thorson turning to look at the camera as she and Patrick Macnee walk away at the end.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I think it's even stevens. Both are very stylish. I chose the suits of armour credits though, as it's very surreal and encapsulates season 6 perfectly. Cool Rich.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Season 6 Intro & Credits: "Targets" vs &qu Reply with quote

Happychap 2.0 wrote:
I have always been fascinated by the alternate intro/outro to Season 6.
My understanding is that the "Targets" sequence was produced for the following 7 episodes in the USA only:

"Split"
"The Forget-Me-Knot"
"Invasion of the Earthmen"
"The Curious Case of the Countless Clues"
"Get-A-Way!"
"Have Guns- will Haggle"
"Look- (Stop Me If You've Heard This One) But There Were These Two Fellers..."

Is that correct? And is it true that only "Split" retains these credits on all commercially available recordings?

Also, I learned that Fuest directed the "Suits of Armor" but who directed the "Targets" and also the Season 5 intros? Anyone?


Happy Chap

Harry Booth directed the first set of Thorson opening titles before departing the series to direct episodes of The Magnificent 6 and a 1/2.

The suite of armour titles were devised by Brian Clemens and directed in main by Robert Fuest, with some inserts being handled by Charles Crichton. The closing credits involving the various card tricks were directed by John Hough.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Season 6 Intro & Credits: "Targets" vs &am Reply with quote

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The suite of armour titles were devised by Brian Clemens and directed in main by Robert Fuest, with some inserts being handled by Charles Crichton. The closing credits involving the various card tricks were directed by John Hough.


Are you sure about that, Mike? I'm sure that John Hough said he did the running along the bridge shot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and just to reiterate my earlier question, who did the champagne intro for Season 5?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Season 6 Intro & Credits: "Targets" vs &am Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
MikeR wrote:


The suite of armour titles were devised by Brian Clemens and directed in main by Robert Fuest, with some inserts being handled by Charles Crichton. The closing credits involving the various card tricks were directed by John Hough.


Are you sure about that, Mike? I'm sure that John Hough said he did the running along the bridge shot.


Hi Darren

I almost sure, both, you and Mike, are right!!! Wink

Mike wrote:
...directed in main by Robert Fuest, with some inserts being handled by Charles Crichton.

In the Mike's book presented official documents that talk about many aspects of the production of Season 6.
I think John Hough was other director of crew for filming the open titles with armours. Wink (even if it not noticed in official documents in book).

It is as for Rolls Royce in episode Take-Over, for example. In official documents in book just do not specified this nuance.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happychap 2.0 wrote:
Oh and just to reiterate my earlier question, who did the champagne intro for Season 5?


John Krish

Happychap 2.0 wrote:
My understanding is that the "Targets" sequence was produced for the following 7 episodes in the USA only


Interesting thing, Happychap, before I thought only for USA too, but it turned out that this was also shown in Canada. It is very likely that some other countries have shown the same option on first run (s).

mrspeel01 wrote:
I remember when Channel 4 showed the Thorson episodes originally, the episode "Look (Stop me if you've heard this one..)." had the Target credits


Shocked WOOW, it's unical great information, mrspeel01. Greatest Thanks to you!!! Please, mrspeel01, you can try to remember whether was transmitted only "Look (Stop me if you've heard this one..)." with the Target credits on Channel 4 at the time or some other (s) too (except Split)? Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Season 6 Intro & Credits: "Targets" vs &am Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
MikeR wrote:


The suite of armour titles were devised by Brian Clemens and directed in main by Robert Fuest, with some inserts being handled by Charles Crichton. The closing credits involving the various card tricks were directed by John Hough.


Are you sure about that, Mike? I'm sure that John Hough said he did the running along the bridge shot.


Darren

I have copies of the daily progress reports created at the time, so I know who directed, what the date was and where it occured for just about everything after the episode Epic, including the Thorson opening titles and closing credits. Further to which, when I spoke with John Hough when he attended the Treasure Hunt event some years ago, he confirmed to me that he had only directed the closing credits. Later, when I obtained the progess reports and other official documentation from the series, the paperwork supported what John had told me.

A certain book has all the details.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike R, Denis and others....

in summation:

John Krish did the wine glass and champagne bottle S5
then Booth did the Targets S6 intro/outro
then Fuest (possible help from Crichton) for Suits of Armor intro
Hough for the outro

is that right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the number of directors involved, I wonderful if there were more shots for the armour titles that they didn't use..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happychap 2.0 wrote:
Thanks Mike R, Denis and others....

in summation:

John Krish did the wine glass and champagne bottle S5
then Booth did the Targets S6 intro/outro
then Fuest (possible help from Crichton) for Suits of Armor intro
Hough for the outro

is that right?


Robert Fuest (help from Crichton) for Suits of Armor intro. Wink Although I do not know what exactly Charles Crichton did. Confused

Hmm, there still is a good mystery who was the director of the chess sequence. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
With the number of directors involved, I wonderful if there were more shots for the armour titles that they didn't use..


Accordingly to daily progress reports, on set for these titles even was used Rolls Royce Sylver Ghost (most likely, for unused finished titles). Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

many thanks Denis!

re: the Targets credits. These were included on some episodes shown on German TV. When I first got Sky TV way back in the early '90s, when it was analogue, it was able to pick up some European channels, that were also on the Astra Satellite. I believe one was the German ZDF (I am relying on memory of 20+ years so it might have been another German channel!) It showed Avengers for a time (under the German title and dubbed of course!). I saw some Rigg B&W & Thorson episodes. The Rigg ones had the slightly different German opening (this is included in the special features on the Optimum series 4 set). Link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GmQ-saKJig

One of the Thorsons had the targets credits but i can't remember which one it was!!!

On the original channel 4 showings, if my memory is correct, I believe "Look (stop me..." was actually the only one with the targets credits. I was so surprised as I had never seen it before, or even knew about it. I remember being so glad that I had taped it.
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