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denis rigg
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Scott Tyler
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This was mentioned in New Zealand TV Weekly (29 April, 1968) that Scott participated in The Avengers:
http://www.lonely.geek.nz/kiwi-tv/index.php/history-mainmenu-50/channel-check/2698-1968-04-29-channel-check
People who have played in episodes of popular TV series seem to be common visitors these days. Take Auckland-born Scott Tyler, for example-now heading back for a film job in Rome, with a Riptide episode to do for Australian TV on the way. Scott, seen while on holiday here in The Late Show has had parts in The Avengers, The Saint, The Forsythe Saga, F.B.I. and The Wild, Wild West, apart from playing important roles in London‘s West End theatre productions.
IMDb page:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5783443
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| denis rigg wrote: | If resume of Charlie in programme of Aberdeen, His Majesty's Theatre (november 1964) was first mention about his participation in The Avengers, guessing that he could to be in the original version of The Town of No Return, for example, as well. 
Sadly, I'm trying for the fifth time to find anyone like Charlie, Jack Le White and others from this forum topic in the whole TV series, but still unsuccessfully. Hmm, it's actually doubtfully, that if they all did not get into the final editing. There must be at least two or three of the performers, mentioned in this thread, somewhere on screen in the series.  |
Philly has spotted him in Box of Tricks in his pre-wig phase so his hairline is quite different.
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4. And conversely... I agree with you, Piers, that there is no Bill Westley Jr in sight in episode The Cybernauts in general.
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You're wrong there, Denis. Dan & I are in agreement about the karate guy being Bill and Paul Weston confirms it.
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denis rigg
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| dissolute wrote: | | denis rigg wrote: | If resume of Charlie in programme of Aberdeen, His Majesty's Theatre (november 1964) was first mention about his participation in The Avengers, guessing that he could to be in the original version of The Town of No Return, for example, as well.
Sadly, I'm trying for the fifth time to find anyone like Charlie, Jack Le White and others from this forum topic in the whole TV series, but still unsuccessfully. Hmm, it's actually doubtfully, that if they all did not get into the final editing. There must be at least two or three of the performers, mentioned in this thread, somewhere on screen in the series. |
Philly has spotted him in Box of Tricks in his pre-wig phase so his hairline is quite different. |
Maybe, Piers, I’m personally not 100 percent sure.
| dissolute wrote: | | denis rigg wrote: |
4. And conversely... I agree with you, Piers, that there is no Bill Westley Jr in sight in episode The Cybernauts in general.
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You're wrong there, Denis. Dan & I are in agreement about the karate guy being Bill and Paul Weston confirms it.
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Aha, great news, Piers, if Paul Weston confirms it, in this case, in my opinion, one of window cleaners in Super Secret Cypher Snatch is no Bill, as indicate on your site.
If there is confirmation that this is Bill too, then I have big problems with identifications, because for me they are two different people.
I thought it was Bill (pic below), as was thought a long time (I decided you were in agreement with, by looking at the picture above):
Many thanks to Paul Weston.
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Well, the shot with the white bowler was three years later an in bright sunlight.
I think they're the same person but I will go back to the attribution I received to double check. He certainly has the same creases on the left side of his face, same eyebrows, same mouth and the angle of the head hides the chin shape.
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| dissolute wrote: | Well, the shot with the white bowler was three years later an in bright sunlight.
I think they're the same person but I will go back to the attribution I received to double check. He certainly has the same creases on the left side of his face, same eyebrows, same mouth and the angle of the head hides the chin shape. |
Yes, but his the chin is a little bigger and he has a completely different eyes section, as if real Bill (thanks again to Paul Weston) had undergone a plastic surgery or he had swelling for some reason. These are almost the same eyes and maybe even the same person on the black-and-white photo below.
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Actually, with serious identifications, anyone cannot ignore different angles, lighting, etc. of face - you're right with it - this is all taken into account by default.
In The Cybernauts, there are enough frames with Bill to understand how his face actually looks.
Chin shape:
I guess this picture by link below was taken approx. in the late 1970s, it is clear that Bill is already aged. That is, many years have passed - it is quite normal that his face have changed a over so period.
http://www.propbay.com/attachments/original/8605d1366473841-esb-norwegian-crew-parka-img_5749.jpg
And after - again many years later:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers/38249123315/
But I do not believe that his face has changed so much in three years - beyond recognition (if not plastic surgery or swelling):
I'm sorry, Piers, I'd say it clear (for me) that the Saint picture and the Gidfeon's way picture are the different people on Moviedude's page.
But maybe I'm a bad identifier, then it is clear why I think so.
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Yes but look at a different angle of Bill in The Cybernauts and it's seems much closer, that's why I'm saying the angle of the face is important.
His chin is different in every shot here but you've got me thinking, so I'm asking Phil what he thinks.
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denis rigg
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| dissolute wrote: | Yes but look at a different angle of Bill in The Cybernauts and it's seems much closer, that's why I'm saying the angle of the face is important.
His chin is different in every shot here but you've got me thinking, so I'm asking Phil what he thinks. |
I agree, angle of the face is important - depending on the angle of the face and lighting, we get a slightly different face. Chin on these shots is slightly modified, but slightly.
In any case, thank you Piers for your interesting thoughts - it’s a big discovery that now there are no mysteries of what young Bill looked like. It is wonderful.
It's curious what Phil will say.
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Okay, so Phil concedes he was misled by the Gideon's Way picture and the similarity between the men, I've removed the attribution. Well done, Denis, for calling it out.
To make up for it, I just spotted Lee Fenton in Split! so I've updated that as well.
"What you lose on the roundabouts you make up on the swings"
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| dissolute wrote: | Okay, so Phil concedes he was misled by the Gideon's Way picture and the similarity between the men, I've removed the attribution. Well done, Denis, for calling it out.
To make up for it, I just spotted Lee Fenton in Split! so I've updated that as well.
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Good to hear, Piers! For many years I used to be a little surprised that Bill participated in b/w Emma Peel series and seem did not to appear as extra in any of the episodes of that period - but it turns out he is in The Cybernautes. Hopefully we will find out in future who were the other currently unidentified extras in that episode. 
You spotted Lee Fenton in Split!? Cheers, I will look soon. 
"What you lose on the roundabouts you make up on the swings" - memorable phrase from the "Game". It sinks into the soul on first watching. As accurately said.
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