The Avengers International Fan Forum Forum Index The Avengers International Fan Forum

 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Avengers International Fan Forum Forum Index -> Avengers Books and Merchandise
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
Hi
I have ordered the book today, with many thanks to James for the codes. looking forward to it.

I am just curious looking at the cover, which shows Gambit on front cover and Tara on back cover. No criticism intended i assure you- just wondered if this is just a personal preference? I guess i 'm so used to the original series characters being the main focus on book covers etc that it raised an eyebrow! It was just for a second and returned to normal causing no lasting damage!! They are all Avengers after-all so it shouldn't matter. I'm just interested in these things...maybe too much time on my hands...?!


The positions of the characters do not indicate any kind of personal preference. It is entirely a matter of design aesthetic. The shape of the Tara and Purdey photos dictated their positions. I love all the characters equally, like a mother! Wink

The cover is meant to look like a big analog TV screen and to fold out into one big picture on the hardcover dust jacket.

Thank you for buying the book. I hope you enjoy it!

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, I ran this targeted promotional on Facebook last week. Let me know what you folks think of it.



Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for answering my question. The promo ad looks great and makes me even more glad I ordered it!

Best Ron
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Alan
A Touch of Brimstone


Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 2984
Location: The Edge of Avengerland

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice ad. Hope it works for you. I've never trusted Facebook ads to actually be targeted enough to make a difference.
_________________
Alan
--
Hidden Tiger Books
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys!

Alan wrote:
I've never trusted Facebook ads to actually be targeted enough to make a difference.


It didn't...at least, not yet. I spent $30 and didn't get any sales. I got tons of Likes and about 16 Shares but no sales. However, I'm hoping that people that saw it might buy it later. After all, not everyone buys something the minute they see it.

In general, you're right though. Facebook is very much a click-and-scroll thing. It's a very passive activity. Very few people act on what they see. They just go "ooh, nice picture," click Like, and then move on.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have now received my copy of "Quite. quite fantastic..." My initial thoughts (having only read the intro and season 1 thus far) are that it is a great read. It is a nice big, chunky size and the cover looks great in reality. It is very nicely presented, very easy to read and there are some nice "drawn" pics (as opposed to photos) scattered throughout.

One thing that has interested me is the assertion about season 1 that (page11) : "...unlike Newman's other cult creation, Doctor Who, none of the episodes were recorded on audiotape." On page15 it is stated that: "...there are no known audio recordings of the original broadcasts."

I remember reading, though I cannot remember the source, that there is an audio recording from a TV broadcast in existence. This is, if memory serves correctly, of the (newly re-discovered episode) "Tunnel of fear" which is held by a private collector. There are also "rumours" that other episodes were recorded direct from the TV broadcasts, as with early Doctor Who episodes. Of course, unlike Doctor Who, whereby the recordings were given to the BBC, and subsequently released commercially, none of these audio recordings have been made available. Perhaps other forum members have heard or know more about the existence or possible existence of audio recordings of season 1.

I am looking forward to reading the rest of the book, which as Michael states, you can dip into at any point. A job well done I say.


Last edited by mrspeel01 on Wed May 30, 2018 2:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
I have now received my copy of "Quite. quite fantastic..." My initial thoughts (having only read the intro and season 1 thus far) are that it is a great read. It is a nice big, chunky size and the cover looks great in reality. It is very nicely presented, very easy to read and there are some nice "drawn" pics (as opposed to photos) scattered throughout.


If StudioCanal asks, those are my 'digital ink' drawings. I drew those. Wink I may do a fully illustrated edition later. I wouldn't have minded having a digital ink drawing for every episode, but I just didn't have the time to do that many.

I'm also glad you like the cover. I find myself slightly frustrated that Lulu's preview looks so bad compared to the printing, so thanks for emphasizing that it looks good when printed. I doubt anyone is refraining from a purchase on the basis of the preview cover, but it would be nice if the preview reflected reality better.

Quote:
I remember reading, though I cannot remember the source, that there is an audio recording from a TV broadcast in existence. This is, if memory serves correctly, of the (newly re-discovered episode) "Tunnel of fear" which is held by a private collector. There are also "rumours" that other episodes were recorded direct from the TV broadcasts, as with early Doctor Who episodes. Of course, unlike Doctor Who, whereby the recordings were given to the BBC, and subsequently released commercially, none of these audio recordings have been made available. Perhaps other forum members have heard or know more about the existence or possible existence of audio recordings of season 1.


I have not personally heard that. I'm pretty certain that my assertion about audio recordings comes from Two Against the Underworld. If not, I'm sure Alan will be along eventually to set me straight. I can also double check shortly and get back to you. In any case, I would not print rumors. I might mention them with the clear caveat that they are rumors only, but I'd prefer to stick with known facts. Let me know if you find a source of that information. I'd be interested to read it. I used to run a website about Doctor Who missing episodes in the late 90s/early 2000s, pretty much concurrently with The Avengers website, and those rumors get pretty dicey though I'd love it to be true. I'd be ecstatic to hear an audio from season one personally.

Quote:
I am looking forward to reading the rest of the book, which as Michael states, you can dip into at any point. A job well done I say.


Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is frustrating me that I cannot remember the source about the audio recording. if i find it i will post.

I have read much of the book now in a marathon session (yes, i'm that kind of fan!) and I was pleasantly surprised to read new info. about the turbulent times in the shows history. Especially regarding the transition from Emma Peel to Tara King. Previous books, such as the great "Bowler hats and kinky boots" by Mike R have explored this time of upheaval in great depth, so i honestly wasn't expecting to learn much more. But the new info i learnt was very interesting and, for me, perhaps worth the cost of the book alone!!

I won't give spoilers here as that would be unfair to you and your hard work on the book. I will just say that this section gives new insights that I hadn't read before.

The reviews of the episodes, as is mentioned, are subjective, but i always find it interesting when someone loves an episode I dislike and vice versa! Vive la difference I say!!

I do have to mention an important typo-error in the section on The New Avengers. Gareth Hunt is referred to as Gareth Thomas twice. (pages 322/418). A Blake's 7 fan by any chance??! (No bad thing!)

Now excuse me while I get back to reading...

Ron
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:

I do have to mention an important typo-error in the section on The New Avengers. Gareth Hunt is referred to as Gareth Thomas twice. (pages 322/418). A Blake's 7 fan by any chance??! (No bad thing!)


Urrgh! It's amazing how many typos one finds even after checking everything dozens of times. Thanks for finding that. I can see why two dark and curly-haired actors with the name Gareth would be confused, though I personally don't think they look anything alike except superficially. I'm a fan of many things. Doctor Who was my gateway drug into British television. Blake's 7, The Avengers, The Prisoner followed not too long after.

Quote:
The reviews of the episodes, as is mentioned, are subjective, but i always find it interesting when someone loves an episode I dislike and vice versa! Vive la difference I say!!


Yes, I was unabashed most of the time about the subjectivity, but I like to mention other things about the production and inject humor into it to make it more readable. Still, I'm well aware that there a handful of likely fan favorites that are bashed in there, in particular one fifth season episode (no spoilers), but I took the attitude that I'd rather people throw the book across the room in disgust rather than reacting with a 'meh'.

I also made it clear that multiple times that 'you may like this more than me'.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
It is frustrating me that I cannot remember the source about the audio recording. if i find it i will post.


I found the reference in Two Against the Underworld (pg. 506):

Two Against The Underworld wrote:
"By contrast, whereas multiple soundtrack recordings have allowed all of Doctor Who's missing episodes to be released on CD, and several of them to be animated for DVD, only one Series 1 Avengers story is rumoured to have been preserved on audio from its original transmission: Tunnel of Fear. This solitary quarter-inch open reel recording is reputed to reside in the hands of a private collector, though its existence has never been proven. It is the considered opinion of the authors of this book that the collector's claim was in actuality a hoax, and that he held no such item."


So, it clarified the issue on both counts. There are no audio recordings, but there was a rumor about Tunnel of Fear, which is now believed to be a hoax. My book simply leaves out the issue of the hoax and declares that there are no audio off-air recordings, which seems a valid approach given the known facts.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. I didn't realise it was mentioned in that book-I have it too! But that's where i must have gotten the notion that Tunnel of fear exists in audio.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
denis rigg
The Big Thinker


Joined: 06 Sep 2008
Posts: 1425
Location: Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron, I agree with your opinion. There's no exclusion that audio recordings of first Avengers can exist. Why not? In practice, I often met the situations, while working in the video market, that a certain collector could have something important, but he personally did not attach importance to this reason for the fact that he was not personally interested in this or that topic. That is, he was just a sort of collector or archivist with main personal interest in accumulation than in the deepening of the material (as we know there is a sort of such people). I remember how one collector had in his archive a copy of movie Stunt Seven with Patrick Macnee shown in the USSR cinema theatres in 1983. I did not know at all that this was the case. Then I studied the topic and realized that it had a limited rental and it seemed all copies were destroyed. How did it survive? It turns out that the man who worked as a projectionist in the cinema at that time made copies of some films for himself. That is, he understood that the copies would be officially destroyed in the future, and so he found it possible to save it.
Such a course of things is possible for the Avengers and other serials at the time. One who worked at the ABC studio, could find a way to make copies, especially, considering that the Avengers series was as a certain product of the "new wave" already in 1961. Yes, I know what there are people who became Avengers fan from the first season, based in it I doubt that there were no people who could not find an opportunity to record it in any form. Why do not we know about this? Actually, we still do not know about many things about the Avengers in general - more than 50 years later we are still discovering and learning something new.
As a whole, I'm not talking about that these recordings definitely exist somewhere now (considering that I focus on point that I doubt that there were no people who could not find the opportunity to save the recordings in any form), I want to say that I think these records were made, but it is not known whether what survived to our time (although most probably "yes", rather than "not").

As confirmation, I remember how I acquired the missing episodes with Tara King in Russian. As a fact, when the series with Russian soundtrack was shown in Russia (only two runs), in both cases not all color series were shown. Well, although there are many Russian fans of the series, none of them have ever mentioned that they have some thing in their collection related to TV series about what is not in Steedumbrell's club or on the Runet. So I quite by chance received these missing copies (which are true treasures) in the way that personally asked leading questions to specific individuals. When, with a question asked, one person said that he has all the episodes with Tara King in Russian from Ukraininan TV channel (WOW) and soon this information was made public (with his consent), then of course there were questions whose bounty was reduced to one "Why before, for many many years, he never said about what has these treasures? ". Well, again this reason - as it turned out he just did not attach any importance to this.
_________________
Russian fan-site Steedumbrella.
http://steedumbrella.ru

Denis
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

denis, you make very good points-as always.

I agree that many of these collectors do not realise what they have in their possession. This was the case with missing episodes of Doctor Who. One collector had bought a film canister of an old episode at a car-boot sale and didn't realise how important that episode was. Several missing Doctor Who stories have since been found. The fact that we now have Tunnel of Fear means there is still hope!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, Ron, if I may ask, which version of the book did you buy? The hardcover or the softcover? And what is your country of residence? I would like to know more about shipping costs and speed of delivery so I can improve things for European buyers.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mrspeel01
Thingumajig


Joined: 20 May 2016
Posts: 72

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Michael

I ordered the softcover. I used the codes that James kindly provided, so the shipping cost was shown as o.oo. I don't know how much it would have been, considering the size and weight of the book. I ordered it on 18th may and it arrived on 30th May which is pretty good I feel, as I am in UK.

Ron
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
QuiteQuiteFantastic
Thingumajig


Joined: 02 May 2018
Posts: 65
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
Hi Michael

I ordered the softcover. I used the codes that James kindly provided, so the shipping cost was shown as o.oo. I don't know how much it would have been, considering the size and weight of the book. I ordered it on 18th may and it arrived on 30th May which is pretty good I feel, as I am in UK.


Thank you. Yes, the paperback ships from France, I believe, or maybe the UK, so it will arrive very quickly. The problems appears to be the hardcover which is taking an egregious amount of time to arrive for some people as it ships from the US via snail mail (unless you want to pay about $35 for trackable shipping). I'm not happy about it, and I don't want people to feel like they have to buy the paperback. I think I'm going to look more seriously into a casewrap edition that will also print in Europe. Lower weight paper but a passable hardcover option.

Michael
_________________
Quite Quite Fantastic! The Avengers for Modern Viewers. It's the latest book on both The Avengers and The New Avengers. Available in softcover as of 1st May 2018 on Lulu.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Alan
A Touch of Brimstone


Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 2984
Location: The Edge of Avengerland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
One thing that has interested me is the assertion about season 1 that (page11) : "...unlike Newman's other cult creation, Doctor Who, none of the episodes were recorded on audiotape." On page15 it is stated that: "...there are no known audio recordings of the original broadcasts."

I remember reading, though I cannot remember the source, that there is an audio recording from a TV broadcast in existence. This is, if memory serves correctly, of the (newly re-discovered episode) "Tunnel of fear" which is held by a private collector. There are also "rumours" that other episodes were recorded direct from the TV broadcasts, as with early Doctor Who episodes. Of course, unlike Doctor Who, whereby the recordings were given to the BBC, and subsequently released commercially, none of these audio recordings have been made available. Perhaps other forum members have heard or know more about the existence or possible existence of audio recordings of season 1.


Michael's book is correct on the subject of audio recordings of the TV broadcasts of Series 1. One episode, as you rightly say, was rumoured to exist in this way (Tunnel of Fear) but there has never been any corroborating evidence presented. Basically, a 1/4" tape was reputed to exist in the collection of an Avengers fan, but this has never been backed up with any proof. Therefore, to all intents and purposes, it is as good as non-existent, even if it actually did ever exist.

No other rumours of Series 1 off-air audios have ever borne fruit (and there haven't exactly been a lot of rumours, either).

I am aware of off-TV audio recordings made in the UK of other TV shows (Hancock's Half Hour for instance) that pre-date Hot Snow, so it's not impossible that Series 1 Avengers off-airs were made, but none have come to light in the 57 years since transmission.
_________________
Alan
--
Hidden Tiger Books
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Alan
A Touch of Brimstone


Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 2984
Location: The Edge of Avengerland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
Ron, I agree with your opinion. There's no exclusion that audio recordings of first Avengers can exist. Why not? In practice, I often met the situations, while working in the video market, that a certain collector could have something important, but he personally did not attach importance to this reason for the fact that he was not personally interested in this or that topic. That is, he was just a sort of collector or archivist with main personal interest in accumulation than in the deepening of the material (as we know there is a sort of such people). I remember how one collector had in his archive a copy of movie Stunt Seven with Patrick Macnee shown in the USSR cinema theatres in 1983. I did not know at all that this was the case. Then I studied the topic and realized that it had a limited rental and it seemed all copies were destroyed. How did it survive? It turns out that the man who worked as a projectionist in the cinema at that time made copies of some films for himself. That is, he understood that the copies would be officially destroyed in the future, and so he found it possible to save it.
Such a course of things is possible for the Avengers and other serials at the time. One who worked at the ABC studio, could find a way to make copies, especially, considering that the Avengers series was as a certain product of the "new wave" already in 1961. Yes, I know what there are people who became Avengers fan from the first season, based in it I doubt that there were no people who could not find an opportunity to record it in any form. Why do not we know about this? Actually, we still do not know about many things about the Avengers in general - more than 50 years later we are still discovering and learning something new.
As a whole, I'm not talking about that these recordings definitely exist somewhere now (considering that I focus on point that I doubt that there were no people who could not find the opportunity to save the recordings in any form), I want to say that I think these records were made, but it is not known whether what survived to our time (although most probably "yes", rather than "not").

As confirmation, I remember how I acquired the missing episodes with Tara King in Russian. As a fact, when the series with Russian soundtrack was shown in Russia (only two runs), in both cases not all color series were shown. Well, although there are many Russian fans of the series, none of them have ever mentioned that they have some thing in their collection related to TV series about what is not in Steedumbrell's club or on the Runet. So I quite by chance received these missing copies (which are true treasures) in the way that personally asked leading questions to specific individuals. When, with a question asked, one person said that he has all the episodes with Tara King in Russian from Ukraininan TV channel (WOW) and soon this information was made public (with his consent), then of course there were questions whose bounty was reduced to one "Why before, for many many years, he never said about what has these treasures? ". Well, again this reason - as it turned out he just did not attach any importance to this.


Hi Denis,

I think the thing that needs considering here is that home recording equipment was nowhere near as widespread in the early 1960s as it was in the 1970s onwards.

There was no compact cassette, the format that really brought home recording to the masses, just open reel 1/4" machines, which were not as widespread.

Of course, I agree with you that there is a chance that Series 1 was recorded by somebody, somewhere, but I'd also say that our chances of actually tracking down any tapes are very slim indeed. If they were going to be found, I reckon we'd have at least some episodes in this form by now.

Best,
_________________
Alan
--
Hidden Tiger Books
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Alan
A Touch of Brimstone


Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 2984
Location: The Edge of Avengerland

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And... coincidence of coincidences, as I replied to this thread, within seconds of posting my paperback copy of QQF has arrived!

First impressions are very positive!
_________________
Alan
--
Hidden Tiger Books
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
denis rigg
The Big Thinker


Joined: 06 Sep 2008
Posts: 1425
Location: Moscow, Russia

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hi Denis,

I think the thing that needs considering here is that home recording equipment was nowhere near as widespread in the early 1960s as it was in the 1970s onwards.

There was no compact cassette, the format that really brought home recording to the masses, just open reel 1/4" machines, which were not as widespread.

Of course, I agree with you that there is a chance that Series 1 was recorded by somebody, somewhere, but I'd also say that our chances of actually tracking down any tapes are very slim indeed. If they were going to be found, I reckon we'd have at least some episodes in this form by now.

Best


Hi Alan

Glad to hear you. Smile I agree with all the points you indicated. Despite, in our time there still are surprises when find the films even from the era of silent movies. It seems that never know what is really lost and what is not. For some kind of film can be devoted whole detailed topic about how many copies there were, where they were shown, to whom they were sold, where and when (with the mass of evidence) was destroyed and why this can not exist. But suddenly the film is found, after many many years. Frankly, I often am amazed at such cases when you actually begin to believe that there can not be any options for the existence of those or other films, and suddenly...
I think that for the existence of some lost Avengers series 1 tapes it's 50/50 percent (and I do not exclude it for the episodes of the Avengers radio series too). Wink
_________________
Russian fan-site Steedumbrella.
http://steedumbrella.ru

Denis
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    The Avengers International Fan Forum Forum Index -> Avengers Books and Merchandise All times are GMT - 9 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. Hosted by phpBB.BizHat.com

Free Web Hosting | File Hosting | Photo Gallery | Matrimonial


Powered by PhpBB.BizHat.com, setup your forum now!
For Support, visit Forums.BizHat.com