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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Dutch channel ONS showing The Avengers Reply with quote

Dutch TV channel ONS (the Netherlands' equivalent to Talking Pictures TV) has recently started showing De Wrekers, that's Dutch for The Avengers.

Very interesting, they are showing all the episodes (except series one), which makes it the first time (that to my knowledge) the pre-Emma Peel episodes are broadcast on Dutch TV.

I happen not to receive this channel, but it was pointed out to me.

https://www.kijkbijons.nl/de-wrekers/programmas/detail?id=lS3uar0Rj8tyjsthXU5dEg==
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Dutch channel ONS showing The Avengers Reply with quote

Wow, great news, Allard!!! I have just researched the entire broadcast period of The Avengers in the Netherlands and the result is the following:

1. KRO (1966 - 1971) Emma and Tara episodes

More details about this period posted still only at Steedumbrella: http://steedumbrella.ru/tv_premieres_Netherlands.html

2. KRO (1974 - 1975) Emma (color) and Tara episodes

3. KRO (1984) color Emma episodes

4. Veronica (1993) color Emma episodes

5. Veronica (1995) Emma (color) and Tara episodes

6. Veronica, channel RTL5 (1997) color Emma episodes

7. TV10 (1997 - 1998) ? only 6 episodes

8. KRO (2003-2004) color Emma episodes

Despite the fact that I did not find the information that episodes transmitted exactly by TV10, I'm almost sure that ONS really does the first broadcast of the early Avengers episodes in the Netherlands. Well, Wikipedia.nl refers to the fact that episodes from TV10 were reruns and there are no memories on the Internet from people who would have watched earlier episodes in the Netherlands before (be it forums, groups, etc.).

By the way, last year opened a new website (in Dutch): http://theavengers.clubs.nl/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Denis, I didn't know about some of these broadcast dates. Very interesting.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On moment, this list is a complete set of TV runs of The Avengers in the Netherlands, not counting from ONS. Wink

Yesterday, I did an update on Steedmblella regarding the current TV run of the early Avengers episodes.

http://steedumbrella.ru/tv_premieres_Netherlands.html
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: they are now working their way through the Peel monochromes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a few questions for Dutch fans, so this might be for Allard.

Were the Dutch titles on screen, or just in the TV guides? They seem slightly variable in the newspaper listings and I notice that it says the episodes had Dutch subtitles rather than being dubbed.

I've found on 12/12/1967 some paper list "De autorally" (Dead Man's Treasure), but several others list "De vreesaanjagers", which I take to be The Fear Merchants - although that episode does later appear (9/8/1969) under the title "Handel in angst".

Could "De vreesaanjagers" have been The Dangermakers?

Also, the original Cybernauts story seems to not have been shown, as several listings for "De robot" on 2/12/1967 refer to Beresford in the summary, which makes it "Return of the Cybernauts".

This is what I've collated, many dates and several titles are corrections for previously reported Netherlands TX.
Code:

The Town of No Return   19/09/1967 9:00 PM   De Spookstad
The Gravediggers   22/02/1969 9:00 PM   De doodgravers
The Cybernauts    14/11/1967 9:10 PM   De robot (1e net)
Death at Bargain Prices   2/11/1968 9:00 PM   Moord tegen opruimingsprijzen (N2)
Castle De'ath   16/08/1967 9:20 PM   Het geheimzinnige kasteel (N2)
The Master Minds   27/06/1967 9:05 PM   Superintellect
The Murder Market      
A Surfeit of H2O   17/09/1968 9:10 PM   De zondvloed
The Hour that Never Was   7/03/1967 8:55 PM   Het verdwenen uur / Het uur dat niet bestond
Dial a Deadly Number   18/10/1966 9:05 PM   1: De dood telefoneert
Man-eater of Surrey Green   25/01/1969 9:00 PM   Een mensetende plant
Two's a Crowd   24/08/1967 8:30 PM   De dubbelganger (N2)
Too Many Christmas Trees       
Silent Dust   2/05/1967 9:15 PM   Dodelijke mest
Room without a View   28/01/1967 8:55 PM   Kamer zonder uitzicht (N2)
Small Game for Big Hunters   11/09/1967 9:35 PM   De slaapziekte
The Girl from Auntie   23/07/1968 9:10 PM   Een rechts, twee averechts
The Thirteenth Hole   13/12/1966 8:50 PM   2: Een Partijtje Golf
Quick-Quick Slow Death   25/07/1967 9:35 PM   Dodendans
The Danger Makers      De vreesaanjagers?
A Touch of Brimstone       
What the Butler Saw   19/04/1969 9:00 PM   Steed wordt butler
The House That Jack Built    20/08/1968 9:40 PM   Het huis van oom Jack
A Sense of History    11/07/1968 8:55 PM   Het Europaplan
How to Succeed .... at Murder   25/06/1968 9:10 PM   Moord in de zakenwereld
Honey for the Prince   8/08/1968 9:15 PM   Honig voor de prins
From Venus With Love   12/07/1969 9:10 PM   Met de groeten van Venus
The Fear Merchants   9/08/1969 9:35 PM   Handel in angst
Escape in Time   28/05/1968 9:10 PM   Vlucht in het verleden
The See-Through Man   2/04/68 9:10 PM   En de onzichtbare man
The Bird Who Knew Too Much      
The Winged Avenger    30/09/1969 9:10 PM   De gevleugelde wreker
The Living Dead      
The Hidden Tiger    14/10/1969 9:45 PM   De verborgen tijger
The Correct Way to Kill   7/10/1969 9:45 PM   Hoe wordt ik een snob?
Never, Never Say Die   21/10/1969 9:10 PM   Ontmoeting met een dode  / Onsterfelijk ?
Epic    17/10/1967 9:00 PM   Gevallen steeren
The Superlative Seven      
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Station   28/12/1968 9:00 PM   Treintje spelen
Something Nasty in the Nursery   4/11/1969 9:45 PM   On rust in de kinderkamer
The Joker    11/11/1969 9:55 PM   De joker
Who's Who???   28/10/1969 9:45 PM   Wie is wie
Return of the Cybernauts   2/12/1967 9:25 PM   De robot
Death's Door   9/01/1968 9:10 PM   De deur des doods
The £50,000 Breakfast   6/09/1969 8:52 PM   Het diamanten ontbijt
Dead Man's Treasure   12/12/1967 9:10 PM   De autorally
You Have Just Been Murdered      
The Positive Negative Man      
Murdersville       
Mission.... Highly Improbable   5/03/1968 9:10 PM   Een hoogstonwaarschijnlijke missie
The Forget-Me-Knot   18/11/1969 9:10 PM   Afscheid van Emma Peel
Game   17/10/1970 9:50 PM   Spelletjes
Super Secret Cypher Snatch   20/01/1970 10:00 PM   De Glazenwassers
You'll Catch Your Death   31/03/1970 9:10 PM   Post voor U
Split!   7/04/1970 9:10 PM   Gespleten persoonlijkheid
Whoever Shot Poor George Oblique Stroke XR40?   3/02/1970 10:00 PM   Wie vermoordde George?
False Witness   9/10/1970 9:35 PM   De verrader
All Done with Mirrors   27/01/1970 9:50 PM   Spiegeltje, spiegeltje ann de wand…
Legacy of Death   3/03/1970 9:10 PM   De zeltzame dolk
Noon Doomsday   24/02/1970 9:00 PM   De wraak van Kafka
Look - (stop me if you've heard this one) But There Were These Two Fellers...   28/04/1970 9:10 PM   Clowns in moordenaars
Have Guns - Will Haggle   24/03/1970 9:10 PM   Wappenroof
They Keep Killing Steed   12/02/1971 9:36 PM   Steed in meervoud/Zevenmaal Steed
The Interrogators   12/03/1971 9:36 PM   De ondervraagden
The Rotters   23/10/1970 9:30 PM   De rotjongens
Invasion of the Earthmen   21/05/1971 8:21 PM   De Alpha academie
Killer   6/11/1970 9:35 PM   De computermoord
The Morning After   18/12/1970 9:35 PM   De volgende morgen
The Curious Case of the Countless Clues   10/02/1970 8:20 PM   De zaak met de vele aanwijzingen
Wish You Were Here   14/04/1970 9:10 PM   Hotel met alle comfort
Stay Tuned   7/05/1971 9:36 PM   Steed op vakantie
Take Me to Your Leader   25/03/1971 9:36 PM   Het koffer-mysterie
Fog   29/01/1971 9:36 PM   Mist
Homicide and Old Lace   2/07/1971 8:21 PM   Moord en oude kant
Love All   18/06/1971 8:21 PM   Liefde op het eerste gezicht
Get-A-Way!   17/03/1970 9:10 PM   Een glassje wodka
Thingumajig   9/04/1971 9:10 PM   Het geheimzinnige ding
Pandora   26/02/1971 9:36 PM   Pandora
Requiem   20/11/1970 9:05 PM   Requiem
Take-over   4/06/1971 9:36 PM   De kleine operatie
Who Was That Man I Saw You With?   23/04/1971 9:36 PM   Tara onder verdenking
My Wildest Dream   21/04/1970 9:10 PM   Dromen zijn geen bedrog
Bizarre   4/12/1970 12:00 AM   De grote lijkenroof

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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
I have a few questions for Dutch fans, so this might be for Allard.

Were the Dutch titles on screen, or just in the TV guides? They seem slightly variable in the newspaper listings and I notice that it says the episodes had Dutch subtitles rather than being dubbed.

I've found on 12/12/1967 some paper list "De autorally" (Dead Man's Treasure), but several others list "De vreesaanjagers", which I take to be The Fear Merchants - although that episode does later appear (9/8/1969) under the title "Handel in angst".

Could "De vreesaanjagers" have been The Dangermakers?

Also, the original Cybernauts story seems to not have been shown, as several listings for "De robot" on 2/12/1967 refer to Beresford in the summary, which makes it "Return of the Cybernauts".

This is what I've collated, many dates and several titles are corrections for previously reported Netherlands TX.
Code:

The Town of No Return   19/09/1967 9:00 PM   De Spookstad
The Gravediggers   22/02/1969 9:00 PM   De doodgravers
The Cybernauts    14/11/1967 9:10 PM   De robot (1e net)
Death at Bargain Prices   2/11/1968 9:00 PM   Moord tegen opruimingsprijzen (N2)
Castle De'ath   16/08/1967 9:20 PM   Het geheimzinnige kasteel (N2)
The Master Minds   27/06/1967 9:05 PM   Superintellect
The Murder Market      
A Surfeit of H2O   17/09/1968 9:10 PM   De zondvloed
The Hour that Never Was   7/03/1967 8:55 PM   Het verdwenen uur / Het uur dat niet bestond
Dial a Deadly Number   18/10/1966 9:05 PM   1: De dood telefoneert
Man-eater of Surrey Green   25/01/1969 9:00 PM   Een mensetende plant
Two's a Crowd   24/08/1967 8:30 PM   De dubbelganger (N2)
Too Many Christmas Trees       
Silent Dust   2/05/1967 9:15 PM   Dodelijke mest
Room without a View   28/01/1967 8:55 PM   Kamer zonder uitzicht (N2)
Small Game for Big Hunters   11/09/1967 9:35 PM   De slaapziekte
The Girl from Auntie   23/07/1968 9:10 PM   Een rechts, twee averechts
The Thirteenth Hole   13/12/1966 8:50 PM   2: Een Partijtje Golf
Quick-Quick Slow Death   25/07/1967 9:35 PM   Dodendans
The Danger Makers      De vreesaanjagers?
A Touch of Brimstone       
What the Butler Saw   19/04/1969 9:00 PM   Steed wordt butler
The House That Jack Built    20/08/1968 9:40 PM   Het huis van oom Jack
A Sense of History    11/07/1968 8:55 PM   Het Europaplan
How to Succeed .... at Murder   25/06/1968 9:10 PM   Moord in de zakenwereld
Honey for the Prince   8/08/1968 9:15 PM   Honig voor de prins
From Venus With Love   12/07/1969 9:10 PM   Met de groeten van Venus
The Fear Merchants   9/08/1969 9:35 PM   Handel in angst
Escape in Time   28/05/1968 9:10 PM   Vlucht in het verleden
The See-Through Man   2/04/68 9:10 PM   En de onzichtbare man
The Bird Who Knew Too Much      
The Winged Avenger    30/09/1969 9:10 PM   De gevleugelde wreker
The Living Dead      
The Hidden Tiger    14/10/1969 9:45 PM   De verborgen tijger
The Correct Way to Kill   7/10/1969 9:45 PM   Hoe wordt ik een snob?
Never, Never Say Die   21/10/1969 9:10 PM   Ontmoeting met een dode  / Onsterfelijk ?
Epic    17/10/1967 9:00 PM   Gevallen steeren
The Superlative Seven      
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Station   28/12/1968 9:00 PM   Treintje spelen
Something Nasty in the Nursery   4/11/1969 9:45 PM   On rust in de kinderkamer
The Joker    11/11/1969 9:55 PM   De joker
Who's Who???   28/10/1969 9:45 PM   Wie is wie
Return of the Cybernauts   2/12/1967 9:25 PM   De robot
Death's Door   9/01/1968 9:10 PM   De deur des doods
The £50,000 Breakfast   6/09/1969 8:52 PM   Het diamanten ontbijt
Dead Man's Treasure   12/12/1967 9:10 PM   De autorally
You Have Just Been Murdered      
The Positive Negative Man      
Murdersville       
Mission.... Highly Improbable   5/03/1968 9:10 PM   Een hoogstonwaarschijnlijke missie
The Forget-Me-Knot   18/11/1969 9:10 PM   Afscheid van Emma Peel
Game   17/10/1970 9:50 PM   Spelletjes
Super Secret Cypher Snatch   20/01/1970 10:00 PM   De Glazenwassers
You'll Catch Your Death   31/03/1970 9:10 PM   Post voor U
Split!   7/04/1970 9:10 PM   Gespleten persoonlijkheid
Whoever Shot Poor George Oblique Stroke XR40?   3/02/1970 10:00 PM   Wie vermoordde George?
False Witness   9/10/1970 9:35 PM   De verrader
All Done with Mirrors   27/01/1970 9:50 PM   Spiegeltje, spiegeltje ann de wand…
Legacy of Death   3/03/1970 9:10 PM   De zeltzame dolk
Noon Doomsday   24/02/1970 9:00 PM   De wraak van Kafka
Look - (stop me if you've heard this one) But There Were These Two Fellers...   28/04/1970 9:10 PM   Clowns in moordenaars
Have Guns - Will Haggle   24/03/1970 9:10 PM   Wappenroof
They Keep Killing Steed   12/02/1971 9:36 PM   Steed in meervoud/Zevenmaal Steed
The Interrogators   12/03/1971 9:36 PM   De ondervraagden
The Rotters   23/10/1970 9:30 PM   De rotjongens
Invasion of the Earthmen   21/05/1971 8:21 PM   De Alpha academie
Killer   6/11/1970 9:35 PM   De computermoord
The Morning After   18/12/1970 9:35 PM   De volgende morgen
The Curious Case of the Countless Clues   10/02/1970 8:20 PM   De zaak met de vele aanwijzingen
Wish You Were Here   14/04/1970 9:10 PM   Hotel met alle comfort
Stay Tuned   7/05/1971 9:36 PM   Steed op vakantie
Take Me to Your Leader   25/03/1971 9:36 PM   Het koffer-mysterie
Fog   29/01/1971 9:36 PM   Mist
Homicide and Old Lace   2/07/1971 8:21 PM   Moord en oude kant
Love All   18/06/1971 8:21 PM   Liefde op het eerste gezicht
Get-A-Way!   17/03/1970 9:10 PM   Een glassje wodka
Thingumajig   9/04/1971 9:10 PM   Het geheimzinnige ding
Pandora   26/02/1971 9:36 PM   Pandora
Requiem   20/11/1970 9:05 PM   Requiem
Take-over   4/06/1971 9:36 PM   De kleine operatie
Who Was That Man I Saw You With?   23/04/1971 9:36 PM   Tara onder verdenking
My Wildest Dream   21/04/1970 9:10 PM   Dromen zijn geen bedrog
Bizarre   4/12/1970 12:00 AM   De grote lijkenroof




wow, impressive...thank you for the info....
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2022 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The New Avengers in the Netherlands:

(De Terugkeer van de Wrekers , also called De Nieuwe Wrekers or just De Wrekers by some newspapers)

Capitalisation was all over the place in the listings. Do some areas use more capitals because of a larger German-speaking population?

Target! (Doelwit) was originally scheduled for 18 November 1976 but made way for some exciting... parliamentary debates.
According to one paper, the KRO & N2 phone lines were jammed with people wanting to know what had happened to The New Avengers.

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28/10/1976 8:25 PM   Het Adelaarsnest
7/10/1976 8:25 PM   (De) Kaarten des doods (1)
21/10/1976 8:25 PM   De laatste de(r) Cybernauten
14/10/1976 8:25 PM   Midas
11/11/1976 8:25 PM   Een kat tussen de duiven
30/12/1976 8:25 PM   Doelwit
4/11/1976 8:25 PM   Ratten vangen
25/11/1976 8:25 PM   Het grote waarom
9/12/1976 8:25 PM   Gezichten
23/12/1976 8:25 PM   Knabbelaars
6/01/1977 8:25 PM   De verdwenen generaal
16/12/1976 8:25 PM   Slaap
2/12/1976 8:25 PM   De Geheugenbank
17/10/1977 8:25 PM   Gevaarlijke Lijken
31/10/1977 8:25 PM   Engelen van de dood
10/10/1977 8:25 PM   Het medium
7/11/1977 8:25 PM   De Eenhoorn
24/10/1977 8:25 PM   Obsessie
29/09/1977 8:25 PM   De Val
14/11/1977 8:25 PM   De M van Moord
21/11/1977 8:25 PM   De M van Moord
28/11/1977 8:25 PM   Het Complex
3/10/1977 8:25 PM   De gijzeling
12/12/1977 8:25 PM   De geheime basis
19/12/1977 8:25 PM   Emily
5/12/1977 8:25 PM   De gladiatoren

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can they pre-empt the best episode!!! I hope they showed it later in the run and didn't just drop it (whatever the official listings say).

What episode is De M van Moord?
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never fear, "Target!" was put in at the end of the first series on 30 December 1976, just before "Dirtier by the Dozen" which screened on 6 January 1977.

"De M van Moord" is K is for Kill, parts 1 and 2 and the same title.

The second series was preceded by four repeats from series 1 - obviously the Dutch programmers' favourites - and ours as well, I think!

They were:

"Target!", "Three Handed Game", "Sleeper", and ... oh, "Gnaws" ....

So close!

I think I'm done with the Euro TX, other nations were ever worse than Germany at showing the episodes and mostly didn't show more than a smattering before 1983 so I can't in all conscience consider them contemporary TX.

(In Germany they abruptly cancelled The New Avengers due to concerns about screen violence. "Tale of the Big Why" was scheduled for 27 July 1978 but never shown, and no more episodes were screened. And this was after only showing 10 of the 32 Tara episodes.)

Stupid really because any Germany viewers near the Swiss, Dutch, Belgian or French (and probably Austrian) borders could have tuned in anyway, the newspaper regularly list each countries' broadcasts.
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2022 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:

The second series was preceded by four repeats from series 1 - obviously the Dutch programmers' favourites - and ours as well, I think!

They were:

"Target!", "Three Handed Game", "Sleeper", and ... oh, "Gnaws" ....

So close!
Haha! Thanks. I watched Gnaws recently and it wasn't as bad as I remember, at least it had a couple of good guest actors in it like Julian Holloway and Jeremy Young (both had been in The Avengers before). It's sad to read that Jeremy Young passed away last month.

What should have been the other "best" series 1 episode to be repeated? Faces, perhaps? My preference would be Cat Amongst the Pigeons, or House of Cards, I'd put both of those ahead of The Three-Handed Game, and they both have great Diabolical Masterminds.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2022 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
I have a few questions for Dutch fans, so this might be for Allard.

Were the Dutch titles on screen, or just in the TV guides? They seem slightly variable in the newspaper listings and I notice that it says the episodes had Dutch subtitles rather than being dubbed.

I've found on 12/12/1967 some paper list "De autorally" (Dead Man's Treasure), but several others list "De vreesaanjagers", which I take to be The Fear Merchants - although that episode does later appear (9/8/1969) under the title "Handel in angst".

Could "De vreesaanjagers" have been The Dangermakers?

Also, the original Cybernauts story seems to not have been shown, as several listings for "De robot" on 2/12/1967 refer to Beresford in the summary, which makes it "Return of the Cybernauts".

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A very impressive list. Great to have these dates.
For clarification: Basically only children's programme get dubbed in NL.

De Autorally must definitely be Dead Man's Treasure.

"Vreesaanjagers" would translate as "Fright /fear provokers / inducers" Could be both The Danger Makers or The Fear Merchants. I deem it unlikely a given episode would have different titles on different broadcast IF by the same channel, they just repeat and don't double their workload.

Titles do wildly differ with each broadcaster and DVD release.

On A Touch of Brimstone being absent: That must be correct. For comparison a 1980 scene or commercial with Paul Eddington was not allowed transmission in The Netherlands due to a woman with too provocative red lips. Also keep in mind that The Avengers was broadcast by KRO, the Catholic broadcasting society.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2022 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Clowns in moordenaars" is not propper Dutch, I would guess "Clowns in moordenaarsshoenen" to be the full title (Clowns in murderers shoes) a wordplay on clowns shoes, but this is guesswork on my part.
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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2022 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You same to have figured out which is which, but here my identification of TNA episodes, just to lessen the chance of mistakes:


28/10/1976 8:25 PM Het Adelaarsnest = Eagle's Nest
7/10/1976 8:25 PM (De) Kaarten des doods (1) = House of Cards
21/10/1976 8:25 PM De laatste de(r) Cybernauten = Last of the CB
14/10/1976 8:25 PM Midas = .... Touch
11/11/1976 8:25 PM Een kat tussen de duiven = Cat Amongst the Pigeons
30/12/1976 8:25 PM Doelwit = Target
4/11/1976 8:25 PM Ratten vangen = To Catch a at
25/11/1976 8:25 PM Het grote waarom = Tale Big Why
9/12/1976 8:25 PM Gezichten = Faces
23/12/1976 8:25 PM Knabbelaars = Gnaws
6/01/1977 8:25 PM De verdwenen generaal = Dirtier Dozen
16/12/1976 8:25 PM Slaap = Sleeper
2/12/1976 8:25 PM De Geheugenbank = Three Handed Game
17/10/1977 8:25 PM Gevaarlijke Lijken = Dead Men are D.
31/10/1977 8:25 PM Engelen van de dood = Angels of Death
10/10/1977 8:25 PM Het medium = Medium Rare
7/11/1977 8:25 PM De Eenhoorn = Lion Unicorn
24/10/1977 8:25 PM Obsessie
29/09/1977 8:25 PM De Val = Trap
14/11/1977 8:25 PM De M van Moord
21/11/1977 8:25 PM De M van Moord
28/11/1977 8:25 PM Het Complex
3/10/1977 8:25 PM De gijzeling = Hostage
12/12/1977 8:25 PM De geheime basis = Forward B
19/12/1977 8:25 PM Emily
5/12/1977 8:25 PM De gladiatoren
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:
"Clowns in moordenaars" is not propper Dutch, I would guess "Clowns in moordenaarsshoenen" to be the full title (Clowns in murderers shoes) a wordplay on clowns shoes, but this is guesswork on my part.


Thanks, the listings that bother with the title use the same abbreviation:

Limburgsch Dagblad, 28/4/1970


Zierkzeesche Nieuwsbode, 28/4/1970, with a little bit of upside-down text by a careless typesetter!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:

A very impressive list. Great to have these dates.
For clarification: Basically only children's programme get dubbed in NL.

De Autorally must definitely be Dead Man's Treasure.

"Vreesaanjagers" would translate as "Fright /fear provokers / inducers" Could be both The Danger Makers or The Fear Merchants. I deem it unlikely a given episode would have different titles on different broadcast IF by the same channel, they just repeat and don't double their workload.

Titles do wildly differ with each broadcaster and DVD release.

On A Touch of Brimstone being absent: That must be correct. For comparison a 1980 scene or commercial with Paul Eddington was not allowed transmission in The Netherlands due to a woman with too provocative red lips. Also keep in mind that The Avengers was broadcast by KRO, the Catholic broadcasting society.


Thanks, So The Danger Makers was listed but Dead Man's Treasure seems to appear on the same date in most listings, so it might not have been shown at all - or, like "Room without a View", it was a stand-by programme and replaced something else so its allocated slot was taken by the next Avengers episode. Alternatively, does all of Holland receive the same programmes (not counting the French, Belgian or German channels), or could the north have possibly seen a different episode to the south?

Or is "Handel in angst" not the fear merchants at all??? One was on N1 and the other N2, but they were both KRO broadcasts per se.

Zierkzeesche Nieuwsbode 9/8/1969


"Room without a View" replaced a broadcast of the MIK concert because the footage arrived at the station too late to be broadcast.

de Stem, 6/2/1967


Conversely, "Return of the Cybernauts" was postponed by a Feijenoord v. Arsenal match on 14/11/1967, and finally shown on 2/12/1967.

Nieuwe Leidsche Courant, 15/11/1967


One interesting thing about these Dutch broadcasts is they switched between colour and black and white episodes after the colour ones started.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:
You same to have figured out which is which, but here my identification of TNA episodes, just to lessen the chance of mistakes:


Yes, I agree with all that, thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So "Handel in Angst" is most definitely The Fear Merchants.


Clowns en Moordenaars is proper Dutch. (Clowns and Murderers)


Although broadcasting did happen by ether until 2007 so each transmitter could theoretically broadcast differently the Netherlands has never had localised variations of channels like BBC one of regional franchises like ITV. (We didn't get local stations until the late 90s). The schedules and broadcasting will always be national and uniform.


Side note: there also, albeit briefly, was a pirate TV channel called TV Noordzee from the REM-island which did broadcast The Saint. I never found mention of The Avengers being part of their line up. But them being illegal (well actually they were legal, until emergency legislation was passed), their TV listing would not likely be published in newspapers and magazines.


If you're not already aware of how the Dutch public broadcasting system works (worked), wikipedia explains it pretty well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_public_broadcasting_system
It has member based broadcasters, of which the KRO is one, a unique arrangement in the world.
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Thanks, so it's most likely that The Danger Makers made way for Dead Man's Treasure. The listings I have are fairly evenly split, but I think there were more that had "De autorally" overall.

I'll do a quick recheck of all the papers for that date and see.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Allard wrote:
So "Handel in Angst" is most definitely The Fear Merchants.


Clowns en Moordenaars is proper Dutch. (Clowns and Murderers)


Although broadcasting did happen by ether until 2007 so each transmitter could theoretically broadcast differently the Netherlands has never had localised variations of channels like BBC one of regional franchises like ITV. (We didn't get local stations until the late 90s). The schedules and broadcasting will always be national and uniform.


Side note: there also, albeit briefly, was a pirate TV channel called TV Noordzee from the REM-island which did broadcast The Saint. I never found mention of The Avengers being part of their line up. But them being illegal (well actually they were legal, until emergency legislation was passed), their TV listing would not likely be published in newspapers and magazines.


If you're not already aware of how the Dutch public broadcasting system works (worked), wikipedia explains it pretty well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_public_broadcasting_system
It has member based broadcasters, of which the KRO is one, a unique arrangement in the world.




interesting...hearing about a pirate broadcast station...how long did it exist ? etc
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