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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely does not sound like an insult, then (and I can't imagine Macnee ever insulting any of his co-stars). It sounds like he's mostly saying that she's a slender woman.

Again, though: Diana Rigg? Boyish? Because...boys look like that? I can safely say that boys do not look like Diana Rigg.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, man, Diana Rigg totally looks like a boy in Honey for the Prince. All boy. No woman there at all. None. Rolling Eyes

Oh, and Steed's suits are amazing and the man looks great in them. And, presumably, out of them, which we really should have had more of. But at least we got tight trousers in Too Many Christmas Trees and A Touch of Brimstone and some very nicely cut open shirts in Season 2. Yes please.

Never thought Diana Rigg looks boyish Very Happy Purdey...now there's a different story...and played the part to perfection too Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the PVC mac and beret that goes with the vest and pants too. They still look completely up-to-date and stylish.



I should have really credited the designer - John Bates.

Diana looks fantastic here... love to have seen Purdey in this outfit Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
I like the PVC mac and beret that goes with the vest and pants too. They still look completely up-to-date and stylish.



I should have really credited the designer - John Bates.

Diana looks fantastic here... love to have seen Purdey in this outfit Smile


yes...and Thorson wouldn't have looked look half bad....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lhbizness wrote:
Definitely does not sound like an insult, then (and I can't imagine Macnee ever insulting any of his co-stars). It sounds like he's mostly saying that she's a slender woman.

Again, though: Diana Rigg? Boyish? Because...boys look like that? I can safely say that boys do not look like Diana Rigg.
"Boyish" usually refers to the kind of twiggy fashion models who don't have hips or breasts - indeed, Twiggy posed with Macnee in many Diana Rigg era costumes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just seemed to imply 'not womanly/feminine,' which is not true. That's all.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A boyish figure" is quite a common expression to talk about slim young misses (or light-boned ones). I'm surprised it hasn't crossed the Atlantic.

I do agree it doesn't really apply to Diana - unlike Twiggy, Diana very definitely has curves.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I've heard the expression before. It just doesn't seem to apply to Diana, or really to Joanna Lumley either. Part of that marking off one type of woman as "like a woman" and another as "like a boy." Does not seem complimentary to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are all different sorts of women and all different sorts of boys, so it isn't that useful as a differentiator anyway. I wouldn't really describe Diana Rigg as "willowy" either which is the kind of starved fashion-model figure I associate with "boyishness". She's physically robust, for obvious reasons she'd have to be, whereas Twiggy looked like a faint breeze would blow her away (can't think of a model less suited than Twiggy to model swinging 60s wear with Macnee. Still, he played along, being the gent that he is).


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, there are all different sorts of women and all different sorts of boys, so it isn't that useful as a differentiator anyway. I wouldn't really describe Diana Rigg as "willowy" either which is the kind of starved fashion-model figure I associate with "boyishness". She's physically robust, for obvious reasons she'd have to be, whereas Twiggy looked like a faint breeze would blow her away (can't think of a model less suited than Twiggy to model swinging 60s wear with Macnee. Still, he played along, being the gent that he is).



cripes, nobody was as skinny as the twig. period. she looked so unhealthy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the '70s such kids were called in UK schools "Belsen boys" or likened to Cambodian, Ethiopian or Biafran famine victims. I wonder what was wrong with her.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the '70s such kids were called in UK schools "Belsen boys" or likened to Cambodian, Ethiopian or Biafran famine victims. I wonder what was wrong with her.
Eating Disorder like anorexia
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the '70s such kids were called in UK schools "Belsen boys" or likened to Cambodian, Ethiopian or Biafran famine victims. I wonder what was wrong with her.
Eating Disorder like anorexia
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twiggy was naturally like that. She's been very outspoken about the bad images perpetuated in fashion that contribute to anorexia.

I have a young friend who has just got into fashion modelling and doing very well - she is stick thin and hated her legs growing up. She used to layer loads of tights on her legs to make them thicker. She'd get called anorexic at school for her skinniness. She's since learnt to accept her shape and it's certainly getting her lots of work.

The fashion industry sadly doesn't celebrate all shape, designers all stick to the one slim figure.

As for why Twiggy is modelling with Macnee. She was massive at the time - it was probably great publicity!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Critique of women's bodies wasn't exactly unknown in the 1960s. Even look at Diana Rigg, a naturally slim woman: she got even skinnier for Emma Peel, and then was promptly criticized for having small breasts and slender hips. Linda Thorson was "shaped like a woman" (whatever that means), but put on diet pills. Unless you were perfectly proportioned, according to the whims of what was considered "perfect" at any given time, then it seems actresses came in for a great deal of criticism. Oh, and if you WERE perfectly proportioned, then you weren't taken seriously (Marilyn Monroe). It continues to be true today - witness the way commentators tore into Kim Novak's appearance at the Oscars (this is a legendary actress who survived a bout with cancer and serious injury, but caught hell for having had visible plastic surgery). The constant pulling apart and fragmentary critique of women's bodies is very troubling, and continues to be troubling.

There. I'm off my soap box. The Avengers women are all gorgeous and they don't come down to just bodies, thank God.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Frankymole wrote:
Yes, there are all different sorts of women and all different sorts of boys, so it isn't that useful as a differentiator anyway. I wouldn't really describe Diana Rigg as "willowy" either which is the kind of starved fashion-model figure I associate with "boyishness". She's physically robust, for obvious reasons she'd have to be, whereas Twiggy looked like a faint breeze would blow her away (can't think of a model less suited than Twiggy to model swinging 60s wear with Macnee. Still, he played along, being the gent that he is).



cripes, nobody was as skinny as the twig. period. she looked so unhealthy
Purdey looked at times, anything but physically robust Exclamation She had very thin legs for an Avenger Girl' particularly noticeable when compared to Emma Peel' when both are wearing leotards and black tights Shocked Compare Purdey to any of the women who appeared in The New Avengers like Lyndsay Duncan, Caroline Munro, Moira Foot or any of Purdey's troupe of 'MIKE' girls ...or the stunningly athletic ballerina who walks by ballerina Purdey Surprised... Purdey looks as if, while maybe a faint breeze might not blow her away any of these girls would Exclamation
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purdey/Joanna seemed fairly strongly fit and athletic in her movements though, which is not surprising given the punishing training and fitness schedule they did before shooting. I didn't worry that in a fight she might get a limb snapped, whereas Twiggy would break her arm lifting up a cup of tea!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lhbizness wrote:
Critique of women's bodies wasn't exactly unknown in the 1960s. Even look at Diana Rigg, a naturally slim woman: she got even skinnier for Emma Peel, and then was promptly criticized for having small breasts and slender hips. Linda Thorson was "shaped like a woman" (whatever that means)
Ask the "a woman should look like a woman" Facebook community...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caroline Munro says she had to hold back in her fight against Purdey as she(Caroline) was much better than she was supposed to be Cool Adele Bloemendaal (44) took the much younger Purdey/Joanna to the cleaners when she visited The Netherlands in 1977 and was invited to demonstrate her fighting skills against the Dutch singer Surprised Whatever about Twiggy's inability to lift a cup of tea, Joanna/Purdey's reputation as the ultimate Avenger Girl was in a worse state than Twiggy's arm as a result of her 'failed lift' Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joanna was pretty beaten up by the injuries and the massive schedule by then though, so it was hardly a fair fight Smile And they'd stil lwipe the floor with Diana Rigg who after all didn't really do her own fights.
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