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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Forget-Me-Knot

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 639).

Paul Weston (Peter Peel in Car) Impossible to identify by Blu Ray
Gerry Crampton (Stunt Double for Brad) Yes
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) Yes
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Karl) Looks like
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Maybe
Fred Haggerty (Stunt Double for Sean Mortimer) Yes
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for George Burton) Impossible to identify by Blu Ray
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Tara King) Maybe
Ken Hall (Stunt Double for Karl) Maybe

1. While Patrick Macnee as Peter Peel is clearly visible in one footage, it is difficult to identify a driving double for Patrick's Peter Peel from the back.
Umm, it turns out that all these years Emma Peel knew that Steed had a double (Peter Peel)!!!. Good secret on her part. Very Happy

2. There are no frames where we can see Cyd's face as Emma Peel in fights. As a result - a good performance.

3. It is strange that even Blu Ray does not allow the identification of Jeremy Young's stunt double in the fight scene with Rocky Taylor (Rocky is recognizable at some points). Although fight is in the background, it is not far enough away to be analyzed. However, Young's stunt double's face is not clear enough, we need 4k.

4. There is one footage where the face of Linda Thorson's stunt double is visible - Tara in camouflage attacks Steed. The face of the stunt double is visible in profile and is not clear (in motion), which prevented me from identifying. I was unable to capture a clear shot.

5. Does anyone know what Ken Hall looks like? In one scene, an unknown stunt performer for me is clearly visible as stunt double for Alan Lake, which suggests this is him (screenshot below).



6. In one footage, we can see unknown Patrick Macnee's driving double and Diana Rigg's stand-in. Very Happy Definitely not Rocky Taylor or Paul Weston. Closer to Billy Cornelius.



Also in this episode are Driving Doubles for Douglas Sheldon and Linda Thorson, and stand-in for Patrick Macnee.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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interesting learning about all the different stunt doubles, etc...in some episodes, they have done a lousy job, in masking the double(s) in some scenes..and you can tell it's not steed, or peel...etc


Sometimes think that the further the production of the series progresses, there should be an improvement in the work on some nuances, including choreography and work with doubles for the camera. But no, you can still clearly see stunt doubles even at some color Emma Peel episodes from second block. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before I start researching other Linda Thorson episodes for stunt doubles, I'm going to re-watch some of the Emma Peel episodes that I previously watched on the Optimum DVDs. Now, for Something Nasty in the Nursery.

While I am studying, those who wish can read my post from Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:57 pm ( http://avengersfanforum.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=3056&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 )

I watched the episode Something Nasty in the Nursery by DVD Optimum and noticed the following:

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 607).

Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel)
Arthur Howell (Stunt Double for Nanny Roberts)
Cliff Diggins (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed)
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)
Paul Weston (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer)


Yes, it is clear face of Cyd as Emma in the screenshot below:



But there was no doubt how Mike's book refers to Cyd in this episode again on page 223, and there is pic in an interview with Cyd from fanzine Dave Rogers.

Hmm, in addition, it seems that exactly Cyd in Lotus arrives at the parking lot, while the other girl (Annabella Heath?) plays as Emma in Lotus in other footages.

There is a good surprise that Arthur Howell is stunt double for Trevor Bannister not only as a driver in a mini van (Mike's book - page 223 - sadly, it is not clearly on DVD Optimum), but in the next footage too:



That is all. You will not see the face Cliff Diggins, Rocky Taylor, Art Thomas and Paul Weston even on Blu ray, I'm sure.

The most plausible guesses for them may be the following:

Paul Weston as stunt driver and even stunt double for John Steed in footages "Steed + Bentley". Moreover, he can be a double for Steed when he was walking in the park.

Rocky Taylor as John Steed
? Maybe, but frankly looks his participation could not get to the final editing of episode (if he actually was there).

Art Thomas
I think he could be the stunt double for Dudley Foster as a nanny Roberts when Steed punches him in the flat of the general. Art Thomas was a specialist in disguises, so it seems the most likely. He, for example, doubled for Sally Nesbitt in episode The Joker.

Cliff Diggins
Most likely he was a stunt driver.

And I don't know who is the stunt double for Trevor Bannister when Steed hits Gordon near Bentley. Confused Confused Confused He does not look like any stuntman mentioned in this post.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, Something Nasty in the Nursery by Blu Ray.

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 607).

Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Yes
Arthur Howell (Stunt Double for Nanny Roberts) ?
Cliff Diggins (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer) ?
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) ?
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer) ?
Paul Weston (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer) Most likely for John Steed

1. If after watching the episode on the Optimum DVD I wrote that it seems that exactly Cyd in Lotus arrives at the parking lot, while the other girl (Annabella Heath?) plays as Emma in Lotus in other footages, now I think that this maybe Diana Rigg herself arrives at the parking lot and herself directs in Lotus to General Wilmot in the final. As for the other footages, yes it is possible there Annabella Heath.

2. If after watching the episode on the Optimum DVD I wrote that it is not clearly if Arthur Howell is driving double for Trevor Bannister in the mini van (Mike's book - page 223), now in one frame (in the parking lot) Arthur Howell as the driving double is a little guessed. Razz I think that at 4k it can be identified with certainty.

3. The guesswork for other persons is becoming more tangible:

a) Paul Weston as driving double and even stunt double for Patrick Macnee in some footages "Steed + Bentley". Moreover, he most likely a double for Patrick Macnee when Steed walking in the park.

b) Rocky Taylor as John Steed, when he hits Gordon hiding behind Bentley.

с) Art Thomas. I still think he could be the stunt double for Dudley Foster as nanny Roberts when Steed punches him.

d) Cliff Diggins. When Gordon with the bomb drives to Steed, for a moment it seemed to me that Clifford was driving, but is still only a guess from the vague outlines of the face behind the glass of the mini van.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

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Frankymole wrote:
denis rigg wrote:
2. I checked all the footages with Patrick's driving double and there is one person in there. To me, he doesn't look like Eric Woofe at all, closer to Paul Weston.


That isn't Rocky, is it?


I think that's Paul Weston.


100% Paul Weston. Iíve spotted him in a few different roles throughout the series including Escape In Time, Murdersville and All Done With Mirrors.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

Now, I go to The Joker by Blu Ray.

While I am studying again, those who wish can read my post from Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:08 pm ( http://avengersfanforum.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?t=3056&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 )


I watched the episode The Joker by DVD Optimum and noticed the following:

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (pages 609-610).

Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed & Max Prendergast)
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel)
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Ola Monsey Chamberlain)


1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:



In fact, it is difficult to determine using DVD, but by identification, he is closer to Joe Dunne than Rocky.

2. The second surprise, I did not find Cyd Child in this episode. All the footages where you see Emma's face in an action (except for her in the car on the background - Annabella Heath? (clearly seen is not Cyd Child)) is given to Diana. There are a few footages where Emma's hand (s) (is) are present on the close-up, but I doubt that they belong to Cyd. It is most likely that all the footages with Cyd were not used or deleted during final editing of TV episode.

3. Yes, it looks like Rocky was doing stunt double for Peter Jeffrey as Max. You do not see his full face, but the hairstyle and manners is like Rocky.

4. Art Thomas probably fell down the stairs for Sally Nesbitt.

Also, there are unknown stand-ins, one of the curious is man on street:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:51 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

The Joker by Blu Ray.

Started watching and I got the feeling that stand-in for Peter Jeffrey is... Ronald Lacey. Very Happy



But the nails have a feminine manicure. That is, Max Prendergast does a feminine manicure? We are exploring character from a new angle.



Umm, this stunt double on pic below doesn't look like Rocky Taylor, Paul Weston and Joe Dunne too.



Finished the study - nothing more new.

Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) ?
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) ?
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for Max Prendergast) Most likely
Art Thomas (Stunt Double for Ola Monsey Chamberlain) ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

Now, I go to Who's Who??? by Blu Ray.

While I am studying again, those who wish can read my post from Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:50 am ( http://avengersfanforum.s2.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=64070 )

I watched the episodes Who's Who??? & Death's Door by DVD Optimum and result is the following:

Who's Who???

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 611).

Les Crawford (Driving Double for Basil [John Steed]) Yes
Joe Farrer (Driving Double for Tulip) it is not visible
Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) Looks like
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) Not sure
Joe Dunne (Stunt Double for Unknown Performer) Maybe as stunt double for Tulip

More, there are rumors that Annabella Wise (Heath) was as stunt double for Diana in the fight with Lola. Shocked (source, for example, book The Ultimate Avengers). I analyzed the scenes, definitely if Annabella is in episode, she performed her usual functions.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

Who's Who??? by Blu Ray.

What is new?

Found I think Annabella Wise (Heath) as stand-in for Diana Rigg and definitely Paul Weston as stand-in for Patrick Macnee in the footage when they leave the Lotus and go to the villains.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

The Superlative Seven by Blu Ray.

What is new?

Found a man in the training room, who appears near Clifford Diggins only in a close-up.



Your thoughts who he is? I think, Rocky Taylor!

Moreover:

1. There is definitely a driving double for Diana Rigg.
2. When Steed fights Wade, it isn't Les Crawford as stunt double for James Maxwell, but Arthur Howell! Looks like Les was as the stunt double for James Maxwell in the fight scene "Emma Peel vs Wade".

Result:

Go to the Book by Mike Richardson (page 604).

Rocky Taylor (Stunt Double for John Steed) No
Cyd Child (Stunt Double for Emma Peel) No
Les Crawford (Stunt Double for Jason Wade) Looks like

I still can't identify the stunt double for Patrick Macnee in this episode who replaced Rocky Taylor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:

Umm, this stunt double on pic below doesn't look like Rocky Taylor, Paul Weston and Joe Dunne too.


Hmm eyebrows look like Rocky's, a bit... Could it be Peter J. Elliott? Hairline also resembles Alf Joint's.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

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denis rigg wrote:

Umm, this stunt double on pic below doesn't look like Rocky Taylor, Paul Weston and Joe Dunne too.


Hmm eyebrows look like Rocky's, a bit... Could it be Peter J. Elliott? Hairline also resembles Alf Joint's.


hard to say...I'll have to go back and watch the episode ..and break it down, and look at certain scenes..and have a goal at it..etc
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
Now, I go to The Joker by Blu Ray.
1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:




Definitely Rocky Taylor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
The Superlative Seven by Blu Ray.

What is new?

Found a man in the training room, who appears near Clifford Diggins only in a close-up.



Your thoughts who he is? I think, Rocky Taylor!


Definitely NOT Rocky Talyor.

Another shot of him:

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dissolute wrote:
denis rigg wrote:
Now, I go to The Joker by Blu Ray.
1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:




Definitely Rocky Taylor.


According to Mike's book this should be Rocky, no other footage with Patrick's stunt double in this episode. However, according to Mike's book, Rocky is also indicated in the episode Epic, for example, but he is clearly not there (I checked yesterday on Blu Ray). I'm wondering if some of the Rocky Taylor for Patrick and Cyd Child for Diana appearances in this book are simply attributed by Mike. It is also curious, for example, that he points out Art Thomas's involvement in the beginning of the episode Take-Over, although the person does not look alike. Is it taken from the official source or Mike's own guess? Because I found that only Mike's book lists Art Thomas in this episode, while a lot of other things for the unlisted actors are taken from the websites on the series.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
denis rigg wrote:
The Superlative Seven by Blu Ray.

What is new?

Found a man in the training room, who appears near Clifford Diggins only in a close-up.



Your thoughts who he is? I think, Rocky Taylor!


Definitely NOT Rocky Talyor.

Another shot of him:


They do not look similar to me by the eyes, umm. The rest is identical, probably the camera angle creates illusions for me, again.


Maybe we should agree, in the end, that the person in the screenshot below is Terry Maidment, because that's what it says in the press release for the episode Requiem, even if you and me don't believe it?

Press release

http://deadline.theavengers.tv/requiem1.html



Definitely Rupert Evans was the stunt double for the bodyguard, when he falls on the car, I checked.
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I must have missed seeing that about Terry, that's definitely him with a fake moustache. Do you have a screenshot for Rupert Evans?
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There is no any clear framework for Rupert, it needs to be watch the footage and analyzed with parts of the face, lighten the pic and compared. Although admit when I watched this footage on the Optimum DVD, I already then came to the conclusion that it was Rupert Evans in the analysis.




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... this is why I haven't bothered to list the stunt performers on my site (so far...) it's unrewarding work as a lot of the time there is, by design, no clear shot of the stand-ins. I always wondered about Mike's book - did he have access to a ton of paperwork the rest of us have never seen? Certainly some of it is taken from other sources that have since been shown to be wrong.
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... this is why I haven't bothered to list the stunt performers on my site (so far...) it's unrewarding work as a lot of the time there is, by design, no clear shot of the stand-ins. I always wondered about Mike's book - did he have access to a ton of paperwork the rest of us have never seen? Certainly some of it is taken from other sources that have since been shown to be wrong.


Well, actually there are a lot of clear faces of stunt doubles and driving doubles. For example, I'm curious why I didn't identify Arthur Howell as James Maxwell's stunt double against Patrick Macnee's stunt double on Optimum DVD when his face is clearly visible. Confused



It only says that apparently I will be revisiting all the other episodes with Emma Peel that I have not watched on Blu Ray before.

I know name of man who was one of official sources for Mike (as for this book), but I do not know for sure where this source is actually in his book and where it is not. I think these many names of stunt doubles for secondary actors who can be identified are taken from the official one as they match when checked. And now I'm pretty sure that the names of Rocky and Cyd for some episodes are put down in this book at random by Mike.
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