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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. It is obvious that Rocky was not in all the color Emma episodes, if only because Cyd said in the well-known interview that at some point when she came to the series, Rocky left for another production, and Paul Weston (apparently with other stunt doubles) performed functions.

http://132.148.53.140/Behind%20the%20Scenes/The%20Perils%20of%20Cyd.pdf ( page 18 )

Actually, I checked, he played in the first color episodes, then disappeared and reappeared somewhere from the episode "The Correct Way to Kill".

2. It is clear that Bill Westley was not the only one replacing Diana Rigg as a stunt double. In the episode Castle De'ath, it is clearly seen that Diana is replaced by a woman. So Diana had at least one female stunt double already in the black and white series.

3. Cyd Child, Annabella Heath and Diane Enright were clearly not the only ones replacing Diana Rigg in the color episodes. Moreover, if earlier we talked about Diane Enright as the main stand-in and driver for Diana Rigg in color episodes, now it is clear that actually Annabella worked in most color Diana Rigg episodes as a stand-in and driving double.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Correct Way to Kill by Blu Ray

There is progress, when Ivan runs into Steed's apartment, it is Joe Dunne performing this function.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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interesting learning about all the different stunt doubles, etc...in some episodes, they have done a lousy job, in masking the double(s) in some scenes..and you can tell it's not steed, or peel...etc


It really is surprising to see how inadequate the substitution is in some scenes. One that has always bothered me is in the climax of the Joker when Prendergast is threatening Mrs. Peel with scissors. I assume that's Rocky Taylor in some of the scenes doubling for Prendergast. But the match in their hair isn't even close–Rocky's is so much longer. Why didn't they spend a few minutes cutting Rocky's hair? Even if he was also doubling for Steed, it was still longer than Macnee's. It would have been so easy to correct.

(One of these days I'll figure out how to post screenshots. . . )
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mousemeat wrote:
interesting learning about all the different stunt doubles, etc...in some episodes, they have done a lousy job, in masking the double(s) in some scenes..and you can tell it's not steed, or peel...etc


It really is surprising to see how inadequate the substitution is in some scenes. One that has always bothered me is in the climax of the Joker when Prendergast is threatening Mrs. Peel with scissors. I assume that's Rocky Taylor in some of the scenes doubling for Prendergast. But the match in their hair isn't even close–Rocky's is so much longer. Why didn't they spend a few minutes cutting Rocky's hair? Even if he was also doubling for Steed, it was still longer than Macnee's. It would have been so easy to correct.

(One of these days I'll figure out how to post screenshots. . . )


The recent watching of the episode The Forget-Me-Knot surprised me. When Brad hijacks Bentley with Emma unconscious, Douglas Sheldon's driving double has dark hair, not blonde. Very Happy

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The Correct Way to Kill by Blu Ray

There is progress again, stunt double for Terence Alexander is Arthur Howell (this fencing specialist). Stunt double for Patrick is most lkely Rocky.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fear Merchants by Blu Ray.

Exactly Paul Weston as stand-in for Patrick Macnee sits in Lotus near Diana Rigg's driving double.



So, it is confirmed that Paul Weston has appeared in the series since the first episode in color (aside from the promotional short color episode featuring Valerie Van Ost). Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Escape in Time by Blu Ray.

Looks like Paul Weston as driving double for Patrick Macnee.

Definitely not Romo Gorrara as stunt double for Peter Bowles.


From Venus With Love by Blu Ray.

Definitely Paul Weston as driving double for Patrick Macnee, again.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
1. It is obvious that Rocky was not in all the color Emma episodes, if only because Cyd said in the well-known interview that at some point when she came to the series, Rocky left for another production, and Paul Weston (apparently with other stunt doubles) performed functions.

http://132.148.53.140/Behind%20the%20Scenes/The%20Perils%20of%20Cyd.pdf ( page 18 )

Actually, I checked, he played in the first color episodes, then disappeared and reappeared somewhere from the episode "The Correct Way to Kill".

2. It is clear that Bill Westley was not the only one replacing Diana Rigg as a stunt double. In the episode Castle De'ath, it is clearly seen that Diana is replaced by a woman. So Diana had at least one female stunt double already in the black and white series.

3. Cyd Child, Annabella Heath and Diane Enright were clearly not the only ones replacing Diana Rigg in the color episodes. Moreover, if earlier we talked about Diane Enright as the main stand-in and driver for Diana Rigg in color episodes, now it is clear that actually Annabella worked in most color Diana Rigg episodes as a stand-in and driving double.


Maybe it was Gillian Aldham in Castle De'ath.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe it was Gillian Aldham in Castle De'ath.


I will be getting to this point by Blu Ray shortly to do a new look. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comment on Facebook in the Avengerians group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/4108846275866048/

Bruce Blakeslee (12 July 2021)
“The Superlative Seven” Rocky Taylor stunt doubling for Patrick Macnee. (Anyone know who doubles for “Wade”? **Thank you, Paul Weston, who identified Les Crawford as the stunt double for “Wade”.)
I’ve heard Rocky was injured during this fight, leaving Paul Weston to take over as Patrick Macnee’s primary stunt double from this point on.


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I took over from Rocky after he cut his arm when fighting with Les Crawford who was doubling for Wade.

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I just revisited the scene of Steed's fight with Wade and I can now tell you that this is really Paul Weston doing Patrick Macnee's stunt double while Arthur Howell as Wade fights him. Ha, I couldn't recognize Paul Weston in this for a long time. Laughing However, it is clear that Paul Weston is fighting Arthur Howell, not Les. So why did Paul write that he took over from Rocky after he cut his arm when fighting with Les Crawford who was doubling for Wade?

I think this is the case:

On screen, we see Les Crawford as Wade who fights Diana Rigg and Arthur Howell who fights Paul Weston. Why did it take two stunt doubles for James Maxwell as Wade?

Because initially they were going to shoot Les Crawford in all the fight scenes for James Maxwell, but since Rocky, who was stunt double for Patrick Macnee, injured his hand in rehearsal on March 10, 1967 (almost at the end of the production of the whole episode), they only filmed this scene of Les's struggle with Diana Rigg on this date. Paul Weston and Arthur Howell's scene was likely filmed on March 11th (Mike's book points a scene in the dining room for that date). Seems Les was out of set on that date for some reason and was replaced by Arthur Howell (respectively Paul and Arthur held a rehearsal, then there was a shooting). Could Les get hurt like Rocky on 10 March?

P.S./ As a result, it is confirmed that Paul Weston was Patrick Macnee's stunt double already in the color Emma Peel episodes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other Facebook post from Bruce Blakeslee (Paul Weston's friend):

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/2282941891789838

"The Winged Avenger" fight scene, Paul Weston doubles as the Winged Avenger in various shots, Cyd Child/ Chris Gallie doubles for Diana Rigg in some shots.

Apparently Paul Weston informed that he played the Winged Avenger in some of the fight scenes, which says that he was not only a stunt double for Patrick Macnee in the color Emma Peel episodes. A shortage of stunt doubles after Rocky's temporary departure to another production? Very Happy However, there is no certainty that any footage with Paul as Winger Avenger actually got into the final editing for episode, but at least we know that he played for. Wink
I didn't see Cyd Child's face in the episode even on Blu Ray, but there are footages where she could be.

Also on Blu Ray it is visible that Paul Weston is driving double for Patrick Macnee in this episode.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:46 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
denis rigg wrote:
Now, I go to The Joker by Blu Ray.
1. Hmm, amazing but it doesn't look like Rocky Taylor as John Steed falling down the stairs for me (this is the only footage where there was a double for Patrick). Screenshot below:




Definitely Rocky Taylor.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/2591694014247956

Bruce Blakeslee (Admin), answer for this pic:

"The Joker," Rocky Taylor doubling for Patrick Macnee (identified by Paul Weston).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew it had to be Rocky, with those eyebrows Smile.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
I knew it had to be Rocky, with those eyebrows Smile.


Rocky's eyebrows are ones of these good clues - the same thing helps me for identification for Joe Cornelius. Smile I wonder if Paul Weston immediately thought of Rocky when he saw his eyebrows too. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:45 am    Post subject: Re: Stunt doubles in the Avengers film era: Episode list Reply with quote

The See-Through Man by Blu Ray.

The stunt double for Moira Lister maybe Gillian Aldam.

The End for color Emma Peel episodes! Now I go to black and white for Emma.
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Frankymole wrote:
I knew it had to be Rocky, with those eyebrows Smile.


That's what made me say it was definitely Rocky as well.
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By the way, one of the fencing stunt doubles in the color Emma Peel episode The Correct Way to Kill maybe Bob Anderson - it will be better understand what he looked like in those years when I get to the episodes with Tara King, where he definitely took part. Wink
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denis rigg wrote:
By the way, one of the fencing stunt doubles in the color Emma Peel episode The Correct Way to Kill maybe Bob Anderson - it will be better understand what he looked like in those years when I get to the episodes with Tara King, where he definitely took part. Wink


I thought this might be Bob - but it's not! I do not think Bob is there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never thought it was Bob in your screenshot from The Correct Way to Kill, Piers, but I should take a better look when I get to the subject.
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Now get to the point that we all make mistakes. I noticed the following:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/1673736429377057

Bruce Blakeslee
Paul Weston doubling for Patrick Macnee in fight scene from “Death’s Door”.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/1885025534914811

Bruce Blakeslee
I love the evenly balanced matched pairs” choreography in this fight from “Death’s Door”—as well as the clever substitution of Paul Weston for Patrick Macnee in the same unbroken camera shot after Steed momentarily disappears from camera view in the doorway (as Emma fends off her attacker, mirroring how Steed has just fended of his own)!

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I was surprised that I never noticed Paul Weston in this fight and started checking these footages on Blu Ray again. Well, this is the recognizable Joe Dunne fighting Rocky Taylor.

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Here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/2591648464252511

Bruce Blakeslee
"The Fear Merchants," Cyd Child/ Chris Gallie doubling for Diana Rigg.

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In the attached screenshot in the Faceebook post, Diana Rigg is present, not Cyd. I just checked by Blu Ray.

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Here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/1809028679181164

Bruce Blakeslee
"The Superlative Seven", with Paul Weston doubling for Patrick Macnee.(and Les Crawford doubling for James Maxwell. Thanks for the additional info, Paul!)

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It is clear that Arthur Howell is fighting Paul Weston, not Les Crawford.

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So, back to:



https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/posts/2591694014247956

Bruce Blakeslee (Admin):

"The Joker," Rocky Taylor doubling for Patrick Macnee (identified by Paul Weston).

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I hope they are not wrong both, even if the eyebrows are similar. Smile

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P.S./ I respect Bruce Blakeslee and Paul Weston (Bruce is the great specialist for stunt performers) and all the Avengers researchers, but this clearly shows that we have to do additional checks regardless of anyone's opinion. Given that seems I make more mistakes than anyone on this forum, it's no surprise that even Paul Weston himself make some serious mistakes. The norm of life.
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