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| The Grave Diggers, the hands of the clock in the operating theatre are missing in the first scene it appears in. |
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| Avengerholic wrote: | Despite watching it dozens of times I noticed something I'd never noticed before, as the security guard tackles the Cybernaiut near the start of the episode, it isn't a cybernaut at all but an ordinary man. His face is clearly visible.
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same here....never noticed it....until now...sorta fun, uncovering these small glitches in production... |
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Makes you wonder why they didn't put rubber masks over the Cybernauts' faces to make them look more human so they could get into places.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Frankymole wrote: | | Makes you wonder why they didn't put rubber masks over the Cybernauts' faces to make them look more human so they could get into places. |
I always wonder what colour the heads were in the original cybernauts story. I think its generally taken for granted they were silver and that's probably right, but in reality they had stockings pulled over their heads so its possible they could have been a more metallic flesh colour. |
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| Avengerholic wrote: | | I always wonder what colour the heads were in the original cybernauts story. I think its generally taken for granted they were silver and that's probably right, but in reality they had stockings pulled over their heads so its possible they could have been a more metallic flesh colour. |
Yes a sort of silver/tan mix depending on the denier 
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Frankymole wrote: | | Avengerholic wrote: | | I always wonder what colour the heads were in the original cybernauts story. I think its generally taken for granted they were silver and that's probably right, but in reality they had stockings pulled over their heads so its possible they could have been a more metallic flesh colour. |
Yes a sort of silver/tan mix depending on the denier |
Exactly  Maybe the idea was to give them a sort of flesh tone. |
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I don't think so, they have the bolt detailing and, as seen in this shot, a hard covering on the front - only the eyes are still stocking.
It's certainly true the sides were more stocking than this frontal mask but I bet that was sprayed with silver paint, just like the Cybermen.
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| dissolute wrote: | I don't think so, they have the bolt detailing and, as seen in this shot, a hard covering on the front - only the eyes are still stocking.
It's certainly true the sides were more stocking than this frontal mask but I bet that was sprayed with silver paint, just like the Cybermen. |
low budget at it's finest..... |
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| dissolute wrote: | I don't think so, they have the bolt detailing and, as seen in this shot, a hard covering on the front - only the eyes are still stocking.
It's certainly true the sides were more stocking than this frontal mask but I bet that was sprayed with silver paint, just like the Cybermen. |
No, the stockings were over the full head (at least on the non maintenance Cybernauts), it can clearly been seen in this shot. most notably under the nose and the full neck. The eyes were mesh not stocking fabric. If you spray stockings silver they become opaque and thus would lose the head detailing.
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| Avengerholic wrote: | | dissolute wrote: | I don't think so, they have the bolt detailing and, as seen in this shot, a hard covering on the front - only the eyes are still stocking.
It's certainly true the sides were more stocking than this frontal mask but I bet that was sprayed with silver paint, just like the Cybermen. |
No, the stockings were over the full head (at least on the non maintenance Cybernauts), it can clearly been seen in this shot. most notably under the nose and the full neck. The eyes were mesh not stocking fabric. If you spray stockings silver they become opaque and thus would lose the head detailing. As for the original Cybermen from Doctor Who, its incorrect to say the faces were silver, they were in fact flesh toned stockings.
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| Quote: | | No, the stockings were over the full head (at least on the non maintenance Cybernauts), it can clearly been seen in this shot. most notably under the nose and the full neck. The eyes were mesh not stocking fabric. If you spray stockings silver they become opaque and thus would lose the head detailing. |
Sorry, that's what I meant - the stocking is over the whole head but a lot of it is covered up with possibly papier maché panels which would have also been sprayed silver. I stand corrected on the mesh eyes.
I would say a paper or cardboard mask and the rest of the bolts and seams are just spot applications glued/painted on the fabric.[/quote]
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| dissolute wrote: | SAorry, that's what I meant - the stocking is over the whole head but a lot of it is covered up with possibly papier maché panels which would have also been sprayed silver. I stand corrected on the mesh eyes.
I would say a paper or cardboard mask and the rest of the bolts and seams are just spot applications on the fabric. |
If you look under the nose you can see that the stockings are stretched over the outer surface of the full head 
These were the first Cybermen.
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That Cyberman action figure is slightly deceptive though. The colours aren't quite right - according to the costume designer and wardrobe supervisor, the stripes on the body were red and green (and on the jersey body suit underneath another outer suit of transparent polythene-type plastic), the hands were sprayed silver (though this didn't come across well on screen) and the actors' eyes were fully visible albeit with black make-up around them to hide the skin colour. It's likely the stocking head covering was grey rather than beige/sable.
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Possibly, but I think its generally acknowledged that the very first Cybermen had flesh toned heads as per the Doctor Who Exhibition example of what they looked like.
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| Avengerholic wrote: | Possibly, but I think its generally acknowledged that the very first Cybermen had flesh toned heads as per the Doctor Who Exhibition example of what they looked like.
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I'm pretty sure it isn't "generally acknowledged". The 1966 ones had some pretty good reliable information from the costume designer, Sandra Reid (Alexandra Tynan) in several interviews right up to recent times; you can't rely on what a new series designer guesses or makes up for Capaldi's era or for the Adventure in Space and Time in 2013. They had many inaccuracies (the serrated mouth for a start!). None of them seem to get the red and green piping right, and often ignore the made-up hands.
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| Avengerholic wrote: | Possibly, but I think its generally acknowledged that the very first Cybermen had flesh toned heads as per the Doctor Who Exhibition example of what they looked like.
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That's a new series one, not a 1966 one. The give-aways include the totally different shoulder plates, ear tubes and many other details. It doesn't even have the see-through body suit.
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| I'm sure your right, I'm not really very knowledgeable with regards Doctor Who, it's just when I was recreating the heads the general opinion was a flesh face. Silver does make more sense. |
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| Avengerholic wrote: | | I'm sure your right, I'm not really very knowledgeable with regards Doctor Who, it's just when I was recreating the heads the general opinion was a flesh face. Silver does make more sense. |
does the Avengers, share anything else with Dr.Who ?? |
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| mousemeat wrote: | | Avengerholic wrote: | | I'm sure your right, I'm not really very knowledgeable with regards Doctor Who, it's just when I was recreating the heads the general opinion was a flesh face. Silver does make more sense. |
does the Avengers, share anything else with Dr.Who ?? |
Quite a few writers (and actors, of course, like the splendid Peter Barkworth, not to mention Honor Blackman, who were both in an Avengers episode shown on the night that Dr Who was first transmitted). Notably Terrance Dicks and Malcolm Hulke who wrote the Mauritius Penny at the start of their writing partnership, and then reused many elements from it in Tom Baker's first Dr Who story.
Terry Nation who created the Daleks was script editor for Tara's season... the Thingumajig boxes are very Dr Who-like!
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| Frankymole wrote: | | mousemeat wrote: | | Avengerholic wrote: | | I'm sure your right, I'm not really very knowledgeable with regards Doctor Who, it's just when I was recreating the heads the general opinion was a flesh face. Silver does make more sense. |
does the Avengers, share anything else with Dr.Who ?? |
Quite a few writers (and actors, of course, like the splendid Peter Barkworth, not to mention Honor Blackman, who were both in an Avengers episode shown on the night that Dr Who was first transmitted). Notably Terrance Dicks and Malcolm Hulke who wrote the Mauritius Penny at the start of their writing partnership, and then reused many elements from it in Tom Baker's first Dr Who story.
Terry Nation who created the Daleks was script editor for Tara's season... the Thingumajig boxes are very Dr Who-like! |
sorta like cross pollen....lol.....interesting..that the shows share some creative processes, etc.....and Franky, thanks for the heads up...like going to school... |
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