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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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http://declassified.theavengers.tv/whats_new.htm
Marvellous episode pages, and you're totally right about TNA being underrated - but "The Midas Touch" better than "Target!"? Never, I say!


Before this week, I'd have said the same. I've always loved Target, but rewatching the series, probably for the first time in ten years, I'm finding myself surprised by what seems to work, and what doesn't. Target looks marvellous but feels lightweight to me. It has some great set pieces but doesn't hold together as well as I remember. Not that I don't still love it! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
Frankymole wrote:
http://declassified.theavengers.tv/whats_new.htm
Marvellous episode pages, and you're totally right about TNA being underrated - but "The Midas Touch" better than "Target!"? Never, I say!


Before this week, I'd have said the same. I've always loved Target, but rewatching the series, probably for the first time in ten years, I'm finding myself surprised by what seems to work, and what doesn't. Target looks marvellous but feels lightweight to me. It has some great set pieces but doesn't hold together as well as I remember. Not that I don't still love it! Very Happy


I loved your little TNA "sermon" as well, Alan (talk about preaching to the converted Wink ), and I've been having great fun reading your episode summaries, especially the trivia. You've unearthed a few things I didn't know about.

I watched Target for the first time in awhile a few weeks back, too, and for me the main weakness is how ridiculously long it takes Steed, Purdey, and Gambit to put the pieces together. But it doesn't matter when there's so much great character interaction going on, and the action setpieces really do make it. Watching it again, I was amazed at just how incredibly fit Gareth and Joanna were, and how much they actually did. After all those obvious stunt doubles in so many series, it's a wonder to behold. Midas Touch is a good one, too, though.

Keep up the good work, Alan! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I loved your little TNA "sermon" as well, Alan (talk about preaching to the converted Wink ), and I've been having great fun reading your episode summaries, especially the trivia. You've unearthed a few things I didn't know about.


Delighted to have furrowed some uncharted waters! Wink

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I watched Target for the first time in awhile a few weeks back, too, and for me the main weakness is how ridiculously long it takes Steed, Purdey, and Gambit to put the pieces together. But it doesn't matter when there's so much great character interaction going on, and the action setpieces really do make it. Watching it again, I was amazed at just how incredibly fit Gareth and Joanna were, and how much they actually did. After all those obvious stunt doubles in so many series, it's a wonder to behold. Midas Touch is a good one, too, though.

Keep up the good work, Alan! Very Happy


With people saying such nice things, I have every motivation! Very Happy

And I think perhaps I've been a little hard, at least in terms of my percentage rating, on Target. It'll get a small boost in the next update, but I still think it's a less effective episode than Midas, I'm afraid, Franky.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
Frankymole wrote:
http://declassified.theavengers.tv/whats_new.htm
Marvellous episode pages, and you're totally right about TNA being underrated - but "The Midas Touch" better than "Target!"? Never, I say!


Before this week, I'd have said the same. I've always loved Target, but rewatching the series, probably for the first time in ten years, I'm finding myself surprised by what seems to work, and what doesn't. Target looks marvellous but feels lightweight to me. It has some great set pieces but doesn't hold together as well as I remember. Not that I don't still love it! Very Happy
Interestingly (or not?), I initially disliked "Midas" a lot (yes, I even preferred "Gnaws" at points) but oddly every time I watch it I find more and more to like. There's some quite subtle stuff going on, and it's the first episode to heavily feature the "cost of the game" from Steed' point of view (Freddie's self-destruction, almost-redemption, and destruction by others). Laying out the stall for the 70s 'growing up' version of The Avengers, taking responsibilty after the mid-60s frivoloty perhaps Smile

Fun anyway.

A big shock reading your site was realising Purdey's stepfather "The Bishop" was played by the same actor who was the comedy/scary Caesar Nero in "Doctor Who" in 1964!! I never noticed that before. Wonderful!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really enjoying reading through all the stuff on your website Alan. Especially the TNA trivia per episode Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(yes, I even preferred "Gnaws" at points)


I've always been inordinately fond of "Gnaws", but I do realise I'm in a minority! Very Happy

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A big shock reading your site was realising Purdey's stepfather "The Bishop" was played by the same actor who was the comedy/scary Caesar Nero in "Doctor Who" in 1964!! I never noticed that before. Wonderful!


Even more of a shock to see him deliver a Purdey kick to Roland's assailant! Brilliant!
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I'm really enjoying reading through all the stuff on your website Alan. Especially the TNA trivia per episode Very Happy


Thanks, Philippa! Cool

The page for "Faces" has just gone up - clicky!
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Alan wrote:
Philippa wrote:
I'm really enjoying reading through all the stuff on your website Alan. Especially the TNA trivia per episode Very Happy


Thanks, Philippa! Cool

The page for "Faces" has just gone up - clicky!


I have to say I agreed with every bit of your Faces analysis. Half the fun comes from the fact that the actors are clearly having fun, particularly Gareth and Joanna. Reminds me of Patrick and Diana in Who's Who?, though I think Joanna wins in the "obnoxiously slurping gum" stakes (no wonder Gambit looks like he's plotting Lolita's murder! Very Happy )
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Another update tonight - probably the last for a few days. This time it's an episode guide page for The Tale of the Big Why. Not one of my favourite episodes, I'm afraid (this is definitely one where David K Smith and I disagree wildly!):

http://declassified.theavengers.tv/tna_170_big_why.htm

Here's David's page, for a bit of balance!

http://theavengers.tv/forever/newave-8.htm
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Alan wrote:
Another update tonight - probably the last for a few days. This time it's an episode guide page for The Tale of the Big Why. Not one of my favourite episodes, I'm afraid (this is definitely one where David K Smith and I disagree wildly!):

http://declassified.theavengers.tv/tna_170_big_why.htm

Here's David's page, for a bit of balance!

http://theavengers.tv/forever/newave-8.htm


I've never been big on Tale, either, and I struggle to figure out why it's generally so well-liked. I don't hate it, but there are lots of episodes in season one I'd pick before this one. Thanks for the update, Alan! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Alan! Any plans to add visitor reviews to your site like David used to do?
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No, Sam. I've always thought of my sites first and foremost as reference works and too much comment (though there will be some) can get in the way.

If I'm honest, I've always felt that the Avengers forums were better places for episode-specific reviews.
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Today's update: Thanks to the sterling efforts of John Tomlinson, our Regional Variations info for Series One is now complete. He has also made major inroads on Series Two and Three, with the promise of more information to come.

http://declassified.theavengers.tv/whats_new.htm
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I really love the trivia bits of your episode guide as there's always something that you read that makes you go, "I never knew that".

As for "Tale of the Big Y", I found it really disappointing on original viewing and didn't bother rewatching it or keeping the video recording from the BBC2 repeats. But when I got the dvd boxset it just came alive for me. I think it's the whole feel of the episode, I love how hot and summery the whole lot feels and love the open-airiness of it.

Target is one that feels iconic but doesn't really grab me. it's not a bad episode but the scenes away from the training ground aren't that interesting. And I love The Midas Touch, full of energy and one of the most colourful episodes of the New Avengers - I respond well to bright colours and flashy visuals.
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No, Sam. I've always thought of my sites first and foremost as reference works and too much comment (though there will be some) can get in the way.

If I'm honest, I've always felt that the Avengers forums were better places for episode-specific reviews.


Just wondering since AOR has reviews. Cool

Speaking of AOR... Since the main information from there is now also on Declassified (with some updates as well), is AOR going to continue to be its own site as well, or do you plan to "merge" them at some point?
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Just wondering since AOR has reviews. Cool


There's relatively little mileage in an early 70s radio series from South Africa, most of which doesn't exist, and which information on the history is hardly forthcoming - so I needed something to keep the site ticking over in between the big revelations! There was also the consideration that TAF's Visitor Reviews were TV series only. Very Happy

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Speaking of AOR... Since the main information from there is now also on Declassified (with some updates as well), is AOR going to continue to be its own site as well, or do you plan to "merge" them at some point?


Once Declassified is fully up and running, I may well transfer the rest of AOR there. I have considered it, but for now it's a back-burner idea and I think it would be a shame to lose the only site exclusively devoted to the radio series. But, by the same token, it wouldn't have made sense to ignore it at Declassified. (It also gave me a chance to revisit the text and information and spruce it up and make it more consistent.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An unexpected and welcome Honor Blackman-related AvengerNews update today...

http://declassified.theavengers.tv/forward_avengernews.htm
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That German Avengers DVD, on the same page, gets my vote for a best artwork on an Avengers box set.

I wonder if they played the new Honor song on the Steve Wright interview this afternoon.
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That German Avengers DVD, on the same page, gets my vote for a best artwork on an Avengers box set.


I think we'll have to agree to differ. The recent French sets and some of the Contenders are way better IMHO.

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I wonder if they played the new Honor song on the Steve Wright interview this afternoon.


They did. That's where I got my 'scoop'! Smile Pity they cut it off abruptly after a couple of minutes just in case the audience was thinking of reaching for their dials...
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That German Avengers DVD, on the same page, gets my vote for a best artwork on an Avengers box set.

I wonder if they played the new Honor song on the Steve Wright interview this afternoon.


They did, just the first bit. I listened to it two minutes ago. It reminds me of some of the stuff from her solo album. Honor does smokey well.

She mentioned doing an interview for an upcoming Avengers DVD set. Do you suppose it's that German one she means, or is there something else in the pipeline?
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