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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard Brian say before about how he was 'stuck' with Linda, if they really were that aghast with the lead surely they could have replaced her as they did with Elizabeth Shepherd. And to say Linda has no sense of humour is just rubbish.


i concur...Brian is just blowing smoke... I suspect the sour grapes was due to Linda and her then relationship with Bryce...
Alleged relationship. Best not mention it (doing so led to the Avenegrs Dossier being pulped) due to legal issues - one or both of them were married at the time.
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No they couldn't replace Linda. It was a different situation from the Elizabeth Shepherd situation where they no time to recast as they were in the middle of an American run. It's a pity Brian still feels he was burdened upon with LT, but I personaly believe it stems from the fact that he was not involved in the audition process. Had he been I think he would still have chosen her.

The sense of humour thing is a bit unfair. I think he was just used to the seamless same type of Patrick-Diana chemistry where the lines bounce and spark off between them.


Macnee and Rigg had an extraordinary chemistry, the kind that I don't think would have been duplicated with anyone else. From all of the women that I've seen who auditioned, I'd say Linda was definitely the right choice; young, fresh, stunningly beautiful, athletic, and most importantly, looked like an Avengers girl, which I don't think any of the others did. As for the "sense of humour" subject, all I know is that I saw Linda Thorson in the original Broadway run of "Noises Off" in the mid-1980s and laughed myself silly.

From what I understand, it was the ABC network in America that was calling all the shots, since they had a large financial stake in the show. They picked Linda, so it was out of Clemens' hands, which he obviously couldn't come to grips with. ABC also made the disastrous decision to air the show at the family hour of 7:30 PM (it had previously been aired at the more appropriate hour of 10 PM), ahead of the 8 PM start time for the No. 1 show on American television at the time, Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In on NBC. There was simply no way it could have survived that time slot. The ratings died, and that was it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No they couldn't replace Linda. It was a different situation from the Elizabeth Shepherd situation where they no time to recast as they were in the middle of an American run. It's a pity Brian still feels he was burdened upon with LT, but I personaly believe it stems from the fact that he was not involved in the audition process. Had he been I think he would still have chosen her.

The sense of humour thing is a bit unfair. I think he was just used to the seamless same type of Patrick-Diana chemistry where the lines bounce and spark off between them.


Macnee and Rigg had an extraordinary chemistry, the kind that I don't think would have been duplicated with anyone else. From all of the women that I've seen who auditioned, I'd say Linda was definitely the right choice; young, fresh, stunningly beautiful, athletic, and most importantly, looked like an Avengers girl, which I don't think any of the others did. As for the "sense of humour" subject, all I know is that I saw Linda Thorson in the original Broadway run of "Noises Off" in the mid-1980s and laughed myself silly.

From what I understand, it was the ABC network in America that was calling all the shots, since they had a large financial stake in the show. They picked Linda, so it was out of Clemens' hands, which he obviously couldn't come to grips with. ABC also made the disastrous decision to air the show at the family hour of 7:30 PM (it had previously been aired at the more appropriate hour of 10 PM), ahead of the 8 PM start time for the No. 1 show on American television at the time, Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In on NBC. There was simply no way it could have survived that time slot. The ratings died, and that was it.


laugh in no doubt 'socked it to the show'...actually, the ratings were not that dire..and the show simply could have been moved to another slot-and-or-night. but ABC was the third rated network at the time..and constantly made poor choices etc
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just watched an episode of Thriller, Brian Clemens series from 1973. Called The Ladykiller, starring Robert Powell and Linda Thorson no less. Not The Avengers quality admittedly, but not bad at all, and well worth watching. Has anyone seen any other episodes of this series, and can you recommend any episodes in particular. I have read the episodes range from brilliant to truly dire, so I would prefer to watch the former! Laughing Rich.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just watched an episode of Thriller, Brian Clemens series from 1973. Called The Ladykiller, starring Robert Powell and Linda Thorson no less. Not The Avengers quality admittedly, but not bad at all, and well worth watching. Has anyone seen any other episodes of this series, and can you recommend any episodes in particular. I have read the episodes range from brilliant to truly dire, so I would prefer to watch the former! Laughing Rich.


problem to me, was the scope of the scripts from that time frame.
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cyberrich wrote:
Just watched an episode of Thriller, Brian Clemens series from 1973. Called The Ladykiller, starring Robert Powell and Linda Thorson no less. Not The Avengers quality admittedly, but not bad at all, and well worth watching. Has anyone seen any other episodes of this series, and can you recommend any episodes in particular. I have read the episodes range from brilliant to truly dire, so I would prefer to watch the former! Laughing Rich.


I really liked Thriller back in the day, but sadly it has not aged well. Each episode is over an hour long which could easily be cut down to half, to three parts, of an hour in my opinion. Perhaps they were trying to build the suspense back then, but they're just very s-l-o-w. I've had my box set for a few years now but have watched only a handful of episodes. And even then I'm probably overestimating.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just watched an episode of Thriller, Brian Clemens series from 1973. Called The Ladykiller, starring Robert Powell and Linda Thorson no less. Not The Avengers quality admittedly, but not bad at all, and well worth watching. Has anyone seen any other episodes of this series, and can you recommend any episodes in particular. I have read the episodes range from brilliant to truly dire, so I would prefer to watch the former! Laughing Rich.
The one set in a college for blind students was good, starring Dennis Waterman and Alun Armstrong (New Tricks) plus William Marlowe and Peter Vaughan. It was called "The Eyes Have It". I haven't sene many others, though the one with Jeremy Brett as the new owner of a haunted Rolls Royce motor car is crazily amusing.

I think they went for the c.70 minute length to be closer to a feature film of the time. Films tended not to be too much longer then, and dominated the night's viewing schedule (when commercial breaks were factored in to the running time), so perhaps Thriller aimed at the same domination of the later evening/night schedule.

The new opening/closing titles made for American markets are dire though.
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Ah, I see.

When Timeless says 'pretty sure' I think she's being modest. She's very clued up. Cool


I try. Wink

The farm made for a pretty good episode, actually--half the fun of that one is watching Tara run around all over the place. Talk about bringing your work home with you. Laughing
Very witty banter Timeless! so i was unclear did brian buy the place after the shot or that was his actual home at tbe time? i am guessing that it was his home. That was sooo funny!
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Ah, I see.

When Timeless says 'pretty sure' I think she's being modest. She's very clued up. Cool


I try. Wink

The farm made for a pretty good episode, actually--half the fun of that one is watching Tara run around all over the place. Talk about bringing your work home with you. Laughing
Very witty banter Timeless! so i was unclear did brian buy the place after the shot or that was his actual home at tbe time? i am guessing that it was his home. That was sooo funny!


It was his home at the time. It fit the bill, so he thought they may as well use it.

I haven't read this thread in awhile, so don't recall being witty, but thanks all the same! Wink
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"He takes his work home with him" was very fitting! That is really interesting that they filmed his home. Can't wait to see it on my DVD's when they arrive!
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"He takes his work home with him" was very fitting! That is really interesting that they filmed his home. Can't wait to see it on my DVD's when they arrive!


Presumably it was more convenient than getting the permission of someone else to shoot on their property. What I'm more concerned about is the use of Albert Fennell's car in The Eagle's Nest. By the time Gambit's through with it, it looks pretty trashed. I sincerely hope the damage was mocked up, because it looks pretty rough onscreen. Shocked
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I didn't know that. I started with "c" for clemens so haven't gotten around to the thread on Fennel. Wonder why he would even consider doing that for the show. What kind of car? I am assuming it is unusual and pricey. They must have really loved that show. Come to think of didn't I just read that Fennel put in something like 80000 GBP into the show to keep it going and i believe lost it?
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I didn't know that. I started with "c" for clemens so haven't gotten around to the thread on Fennel. Wonder why he would even consider doing that for the show. What kind of car? I am assuming it is unusual and pricey. They must have really loved that show. Come to think of didn't I just read that Fennel put in something like 80000 GBP into the show to keep it going and i believe lost it?


I'm not great with cars, but Piers' site informs me it was a Citroen DS21 Pallas. It's not particularly surprising they'd improvise if they didn't have a car at hand, but from the looks of things they must have replaced the windshield with a sugar glass one so they could smash it. The sacrifices one makes. Wink

It's no secret that Clemens and Fennell put some of their own money into the show when the financing fell apart, and no, they never got it back. But then they weren't the only ones, sadly.
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Wow! This is the financing for the original or TNA? that sucks!!
Where is there a venture capitalist when you need them!!
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i have never heard of such a car. Amazing. Question Question
Is this normal or the usual behavior to lend out your home, your car your entire income for a tv show??
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Wow! This is the financing for the original or TNA? that sucks!!
Where is there a venture capitalist when you need them!!
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i have never heard of such a car. Amazing. Question Question
Is this normal or the usual behavior to lend out your home, your car your entire income for a tv show??


This was for TNA, which was an independent production and failed to get backing in Britain. It was funded by French money, which later fell through, followed by Canadian money, before sputtering out altogether for reasons that still aren't entirely clear. But it was a bit of a mess, no question of that. The original series wasn't plagued by the same problems, though it did become reliant on the American ABC network's buying the show in the last few years, meaning it couldn't carry on to the same standard once ABC chose not to renew it. But there wasn't the financial mess that plagued TNA.

I wouldn't say it was normal for production staff to lend out their homes to their shows, no, but I suppose if it was convenient they might do it, just to cut down on some aggrevation.
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Is that what brought down TNA the lack of finanacial backing? Was that the series that made Fennell and Clemens put in their own money?
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Is that what brought down TNA the lack of finanacial backing? Was that the series that made Fennell and Clemens put in their own money?


Yes - lack of funding was a big problem for the show. It didn't have the same pre-sales to America that the earlier film series had.

The New Avengers producers also weren't alone in providing their own vehicles for use in their programmes. Gerry Anderson's live action shows also featured his and his associate producer's own cars.
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Is that what brought down TNA the lack of finanacial backing? Was that the series that made Fennell and Clemens put in their own money?


Yes - lack of funding was a big problem for the show. It didn't have the same pre-sales to America that the earlier film series had.

The New Avengers producers also weren't alone in providing their own vehicles for use in their programmes. Gerry Anderson's live action shows also featured his and his associate producer's own cars.


I confess I don't know much about Gerry Anderson's series, but I'm not surprised. They could only recycle that shot of the white Jaguar falling over a cliff so many times, after all. Wink
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I'm on my third or fourth Jason King episode (Toki, with Felicity Kendall) and they had the white Jag / cliff sequence! I told my fellow viewer what was going to happen as soon as they got the victim drunk and went outside to a... white Jag! No cliffs in sight, so they had to get the car to drive itself down a massive hill first to get to the cliff.

As for loaned cars, Roger Moore famously bought one of the Saint's Volvos for the start of filming, so that they could have enough for use in the show. Patrick McGoohan's limo (Bentley?) is driven by the "posh gent" who draws alongside the escapees in the final episode of "The Prisoner" (he later got given a Lotus/Caterham 7 as used by the Prisoner himself, but that was in the 1990s).
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I'm on my third or fourth Jason King episode (Toki, with Felicity Kendall) and they had the white Jag / cliff sequence! I told my fellow viewer what was going to happen as soon as they got the victim drunk and went outside to a... white Jag! No cliffs in sight, so they had to get the car to drive itself down a massive hill first to get to the cliff.

As for loaned cars, Roger Moore famously bought one of the Saint's Volvos for the start of filming, so that they could have enough for use in the show. Patrick McGoohan's limo (Bentley?) is driven by the "posh gent" who draws alongside the escapees in the final episode of "The Prisoner" (he later got given a Lotus/Caterham 7 as used by the Prisoner himself, but that was in the 1990s).


I remember the first couple of times I saw it, I had this weird sense of deja vu, but didn't make the connection until someone mentioned it on here. By the time I got to Jason King, I knew the poor guy was doomed. Gambit should have counted himself lucky that his Jag was red. Wink

I think I may have heard the Roger Moore one before, but not the Patrick McGoohan one--thanks, Franky! Smile
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