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THE STRANGE CASE OF THE MISSING CORPSE
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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may have read that there was an option to go straight to colour with the 4th season (imagine going from videotaped Blackman to coloured film immediately with the Riggs Shocked), but it would have meant something like another 1,000 an episode. Peanuts today.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should have said ITV, not British television. ITV's colour service began after The Avengers had finished, as did BBC1.


Yes indeed, ITV and BBC1 began colour broadcasting in November 1969, several months after Bizarre had aired in May. Which begs the question, when were the Tara episodes first seen in colour on UK TV?
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly sure I remember seeing the 5th season repeated first in 1969 or 1970, but as I was 9 or 10 I could be mistaken. I may have read on the net something that would corroborate that though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johnny Smile

Johnny O wrote:
Yes indeed, ITV and BBC1 began colour broadcasting in November 1969, several months after Bizarre had aired in May. Which begs the question, when were the Tara episodes first seen in colour on UK TV?


Yorkshire Television could well be a candidate. As I recall, it was one of the big ITV regions which went colour in November 1969, and according to my notes they began a repeat run of the Taras from "The Forget-Me-Knot" at 9pm on Tuesdays from 16 December 1969, by which time a colour ITV service would have been in operation.

As an aside, Anglia had just started a run of the colour Diana Rigg episode in mid-November 1969, but I don't believe Anglia started colour broadcasts until 1970. Granada started the colour Emmas again at 9pm on Saturdays from 10 January 1970, so this may be a candidate for the first UK colour run of the earlier batch.

Hope that's of interest.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it does depend on what TV region you lived. It's difficult for me, not just because it was so long ago - 40 years! - but because at the time I had absolutely zero interest in Tara King.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. This has got me intrigued, so I've been digging a bit further.

There was actually a broadcast of "The Avengers" the night that ITV went colour; "The 50,000 Breakfast" was screened by Grampian at 7.30pm ... but the region didn't operate a colour service until September 1971. On the Sunday night, Anglia scheduled "My Wildest Dream" at 10.35pm, but this too was still a monochrome region.

Thames, LWT, ATV, Granada and Yorkshire seem to have been the only regions transmitting in colour from November 1969. Thames weren't running the show at the time - "Bizarre" had concluded in May 1969 and the next repeats I have are summer 1970. ATV started repeats of the colour Emma Peel shows again in February 1970. Granada were running the b/w Emma Peels up to the end of 1969. So, looks like it was Yorkshire.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Pixley wrote:
Hmmm. This has got me intrigued, so I've been digging a bit further.

There was actually a broadcast of "The Avengers" the night that ITV went colour; "The 50,000 Breakfast" was screened by Grampian at 7.30pm ... but the region didn't operate a colour service until September 1971. On the Sunday night, Anglia scheduled "My Wildest Dream" at 10.35pm, but this too was still a monochrome region.

Thames, LWT, ATV, Granada and Yorkshire seem to have been the only regions transmitting in colour from November 1969. Thames weren't running the show at the time - "Bizarre" had concluded in May 1969 and the next repeats I have are summer 1970. ATV started repeats of the colour Emma Peel shows again in February 1970. Granada were running the b/w Emma Peels up to the end of 1969. So, looks like it was Yorkshire.

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Thanks Andrew. I had a feeling that if anyone knew the details it would be you! Great background info. So it seems that Emma was seen in colour in the UK before Tara and presumably neither series was ever networked in colour simultaneously, making TNA the first network showing of the TA in colour.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course even if Yorkshire started broadcasting colour episodes in colour in 1969, there's no guarantee anyone was actually watching on a colour set at the time!
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johnny Smile

Johnny O wrote:
Thanks Andrew. I had a feeling that if anyone knew the details it would be you! Great background info.


No problem. It's one of the files I have to hand that's not in storage so I'm glad the information is finally useful! Very Happy

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So it seems that Emma was seen in colour in the UK before Tara and presumably neither series was ever networked in colour simultaneously, making TNA the first network showing of the TA in colour.


Hmmm. I reckon the first colour broadcasts in the UK were the Tara King episodes in Yorkshire from December 1969, and the first appearance of the Emma Peel shows in colour would be from Granada in January 1970.

I think that the only networked UK screenings of "The Avengers" have been on BBC Four; although the Channel 4 screenings covered most of the nation, I believe that S4C went its own way in Wales. "The New Avengers" was possibly networked on BBC Two (although again, there may have been regional variations) and again on BBC Four; the 1970s UK screenings weren't networked.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regional veriations used to drive me mad as a kid. In the TV Times listings there used to be a small box listing the programmes in other regions. It used to infuriate me when The Avengers or another favourite was shown anywhere else but my own area.

I don't know if this still the case today. I tend to think that these days - local news apart - that each region has fairly standard programming.
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regional veriations used to drive me mad as a kid. In the TV Times listings there used to be a small box listing the programmes in other regions. It used to infuriate me when The Avengers or another favourite was shown anywhere else but my own area.

I don't know if this still the case today. I tend to think that these days - local news apart - that each region has fairly standard programming.


I lived in the Thames/LWT ITV region and that's all we got, but somehow, some school friends were able to get Southern ITV on their sets. Southern showed TNA on a different night from London. If I missed an episode of TNA (there was no such thing as a video recorder!) I'd go round to theirs to watch it the next night! But somehow, I still ended up missing a couple of the episodes. They were first repeated in the London area late at night in 1980/81 and then again in 1985/86, by which time the awful film montage titles had been added on some episodes and I was able to record them.

Although the BBC run of TNA was the first true network broadcast of TA in any form, I think it's fair to say that they were broadcast across the ITV network in their original runs, just not necessarily simultaneously, which is as good as a network showing really. It's interesting that the Channel 4 run of the Peel/King episodes in 82-84 weren't shown nationally. I always assumed C4 was one network, but it makes sense that SC4 was separate.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the days when you had tune the TV station to change channel from one large knob on the TV set. So there were times, if you had a strong signal from another transmitter, you could watch, say, Granada Manchester programming in ATV Midlands area and so on.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I knew if I typed 'knob' it would arouse someone ... Wink
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An old question has long bothered me - whether James Hill really directed this episode, or is it still as hypothesis? Confused

I know Mike pointed James Hill in his book, that probably should be as confirmation, but in this case I wonder the source of information. Please.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would bet on Don Leaver as he was on hand for Honey for the Prince and it was filmed at the same time and on the same sets.
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I always thought in the same direction, Piers. Wink Really interesting, why there was mentions James Hill and whether there is confirmation for it? Wink
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The information that James Hill directed The Strange Case of the Missing Corpse came form Dave Rogers, who wrote a number of books about the series during the eighties and nineties. I used to talk with Dave on the telephone quite a bit at one time and he attended the first two Treasure Hunt events. Eventually, he gave up writing and went to live in Turkey, initially to assist his son run a bar/nightclub in Istanbul.
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Thanks, Mike. I think, it is likely that Dave surely knew about it, as in his book The Ultimate Avengers contains many James Hill's quotes (part of the material that I have not read anywhere else).
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