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The Complete Avengers: 50th Anniversary Edition (39 Discs)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heads up. Reduced at Amazon UK now to 107.07
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I hope I'm not opening up a can of worms but I have just received a copy of the complete box set (I had already purchased the individual sets but the completist in me wouldn't allow me to not save up and get the box set!) and the set looks lovely and I don't even have an issue with getting the discs out - however.....I have just tested to see if the issue on Legacy of Death had been sorted and although the picture no longer "flashes" it does seem to be an awful lot darker than previous, especially at the beginning, and it does somehow seem to have been inflicted with the sound speed up problems affecting Season 5 and The Forget-Me-Knot. Has anyone else noticed this?

(I have made a comparison using clips from both sets however we can't post videos on here can we?)


I think you have to post a link as opposed to the actual video on here, not because of the TOS, but because they simply won't work. If you can find a way to make it work on here, feel free to post, but please remember to post only short clips so that we don't have any issues of copyright laws being broken.


I have the V3 of season 5 in my complete set and the whole season has the chipmunk voice problem. I have my A&E DVDs to compare it to. And it's quite obvious. Hopefully the drop in price means a corrected blu ray release to come soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not the 'chipmunk problem', that's PAL speed-up, which is normal for PAL DVDs from film sources. UK TV runs at 25 frames per second and US TV at 30fps (actually showing the films at 24fps and slipping in six repeated frames every second).

The corrected DVDs have the sound at the same pitch as the original UK transmissions, so it's not a fault as such.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan, aren't the Pal version pitch corrected (ie the key of the music is the same as on the NTSC version)? That would be why the error occured, when a tech speeded up the tone instead of bringing it down.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ikbtops wrote:
I have the V3 of season 5 in my complete set and the whole season has the chipmunk voice problem. I have my A&E DVDs to compare it to. And it's quite obvious. Hopefully the drop in price means a corrected blu ray release to come soon.


Confused I'm confused. I thought the V3 version of season 5 was ok. I haven't bought the complete box set, as I've already bought the individual sets. I have the V3 set of season 5, but as I'm still watching season 4 I haven't had a chance to view them yet. I did watch a few seconds of one episode just to see, and it seemed ok. What do you all think Question Is V3 of the individual set of season 5 the correct pitch Question Thanks, Rich.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only reservations about the complete set is my copy didn't seem to have the Diana reprint (unless it's really well hidden) and it didn't include the hardcopy reproductions of the promotional flyers that the separate series sets have.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My only reservations about the complete set is my copy didn't seem to have the Diana reprint (unless it's really well hidden) and it didn't include the hardcopy reproductions of the promotional flyers that the separate series sets have.


I didn't receive them either. I bought the complete set via Amazon.co.uk and the strangest thing is that a friend of mine got his set from the same website and his copy contained the Diana comic !? Surprised Confused Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The V3's of season 5 are indeed fixed as far as the pitch problem for region 2/PAL goes. There's no remaining PAL speedup either, it has been pitch-shifted down to where it should be. The menus have not been changed so they still have the "chipmunk" voices, but the actual episodes are fixed. Steed and Emma sound exactly the same as on the season 4 set, and as on the fixed Forget-Me-Knot in season 6.

It sounds like ikbtops has somehow got an uncorrected version marked V3 (unique!), or their player is doinbg something weird when playing PAL disk (is it standards-converting on playback?)? What makes me think that is that the A&E, NTSC ones can be played back for comparison. What are they being played back on - the same PAL player? NTSC equipment?

I got the Complete set off Amazon a couple of months ago and it had the Diana comic (still no sign of the graphic novel book of them all being published?), I don't think it had every press leaflet reproduction from the individual sets but it did have some leaflets in it (and the episode listing booklet) - I'll have to check. Since I have the individual boxes as well, with leaflets, I'm not too bothered.

Edited to add: there's a 16-page just-larger-than-A6 book of photos from the 50th anniversary coffee-table book, the 8-page Diana comic reprint which is slightly larger, and a 4-page leaflet (about the size of the box, just smaller than A4) listing which episodes are on which disks, i.e. titles and a "Steed Does This, Emma [or Tara or whomever] Does That" summary for all the episodes (whether they had one on TV or not).

The individual box sets didn't have any of these, but had repros of publicity flyers from the 60s, and Season 1+2 had a big fat book of telesnaps from Leonard White's collection. If anyone wants to know what flyers I got in what box, let me know and I'll have a peek.

The O-ring on the Complete box set mentions "One use of bleeped strong language" - anyone know what that was? It might be on Season 1+2 extras, because that set has the same "12" certificate.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan mentioned it before that it was probably in a commentary or interview.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:
The V3's of season 5 are indeed fixed as far as the pitch problem for region 2/PAL goes. There's no remaining PAL speedup either, it has been pitch-shifted down to where it should be. The menus have not been changed so they still have the "chipmunk" voices, but the actual episodes are fixed. Steed and Emma sound exactly the same as on the season 4 set, and as on the fixed Forget-Me-Knot in season 6.


I haven't looked at any episodes on that set recently, so I'll take your word for it. Definitely the menus still feature the problem, but the episodes don't.

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It sounds like ikbtops has somehow got an uncorrected version marked V3 (unique!), or their player is doinbg something weird when playing PAL disk (is it standards-converting on playback?)? What makes me think that is that the A&E, NTSC ones can be played back for comparison. What are they being played back on - the same PAL player? NTSC equipment?


I think it's highly unlikely (probably impossible) that ikbtops has got a V3 disc that's any different from any other. I think people are just hyper sensitive to the pitch issue now and are hearing problems that are no longer there. Either that, or he's listening to the menus and thinking "this disc is not fixed".

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The O-ring on the Complete box set mentions "One use of bleeped strong language" - anyone know what that was? It might be on Season 1+2 extras, because that set has the same "12" certificate.


That is on the Series 1+2 extras. It's got that rating due to the use of an swear word on the Easter Egg, where Len White reads a letter he had received from Pat Macnee (the swear word was Macnee's). I had forgotten it was bleeped.
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Great! Thanks. About time I started again on the extras. I kind of lost enthusiasm after all the problems. Now they're mostly fixed, I can go back to the early DVDs. I haven't even watched the new Honor Blackman interview!

V3 of Season 5 is definitely lower in pitch than my old Contender DVDs, which had the normal PAL speedup. I'm totally happy with the series 5 box now - it's a relief to be able to say that!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we send a letter to those in charge of the dvds now in order to receive the Diana comic ? Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnSteedFr wrote:
Can we send a letter to those in charge of the dvds now in order to receive the Diana comic ? Shocked


Oh, I never thought of that... I have some of the originals so it wasn't a huge beef but it would be nice to have.
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Are there any rare photos in this Question I wonder if someone could upload the photos to this thread. Many thanks, Rich.


Please don't. We don't want this forum accused of copyright infringement.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
That's not the 'chipmunk problem', that's PAL speed-up, which is normal for PAL DVDs from film sources. UK TV runs at 25 frames per second and US TV at 30fps (actually showing the films at 24fps and slipping in six repeated frames every second).

The corrected DVDs have the sound at the same pitch as the original UK transmissions, so it's not a fault as such.

Is that just a DVD issue then? My Persuaders Blu Rays don't have that 4%
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BluRays don't suffer from any PAL speedup, because of the way they translate the data to a picture. Don't ask me how - it's far too technical for me! But that's what I was told, and although the explanation was long and involved, it made sense at the time... BD is definitely the best way to watch film series, short of getting an actual film print and watching it in a cinema / movie theater.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's simple, Blu-rays can be mastered at 24 frames/second, whereas DVD is restricted to 25fps for PAL. Therefore, film shot at 24fps can be transferred without being sped up for Blu-ray, whereas it has to be 1fps faster than filming speed when transferred for DVD.
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Thanks Alan. And the BD players are clever enough to play back HD/BluRays at 24fps and old PAL DVDs at 25fps? That'd explain it. My mind might grasp this for a second or two.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In The VLC media player I've downloaded, I'm able to lower the the pitch to .96. I may have to burn to DVD-R and hope the picture still looks better than my old A&E sets then. That or just watch them on my CPU.
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