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Steed's Rolls Royce in episode "Take-Over"

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:22 am    Post subject: Steed's Rolls Royce in episode "Take-Over" Reply with quote

One of many Avengers mysteries that we still have on today is Steed's Rolls Royce in episode "Take-Over".



Possible there exists the photos from the set of the episode or a document that can clarify it, I do no know, but some progress has occurred thanks to the production material in the book Bowler Hats and Kinky Boots.

So let's see what we have and will try to figure out what's what:
On 7 February, 1969 was exterior shooting of scenes with Steed's Rolls Royce for episodes "Take-Over" and "Bizarre". While the book does not mention a specific car model has been used in the first episode, in Bizarre has been used Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976), which we eventually see on the screen. Given that mentioned shooting did one film crew led by John Hough, this leads me to believe that in episode "Take-Over" was used Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976) too.
However, any material from that day was not included in the final version of Take-Over, and instead we see Macnee in a car, that we think should be Rolls Royce, who turns the steering wheel on the projection of the background in the studio.
Here interesting question: What kind of Rolls Royce model was used in Take-Over on screen? Rolls Royce New Phantom 1929 (UU 3864)? Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976)? Or... Confused maybe it was altogether a different model or imitation Rolls Royce at all, that is not excluded. Confused

Possible versions:
Exterior shooting with Rolls for Take-Over decided not to use if Macnee was wearing the same suit as for Rolls in Bizarre. Big mistake. Yes, it is possible, as if you sometimes do in one day more than two episodes, you can to accidentally entangled. Thus was decided to use other footage, which could even take from another episode filmed before, that is, from Pandora (because this was other single episode, where Steed was in same costume like he was in mentioned footage). We may recall the scene in the Rupert's car on the projection background, maybe on the same day they did footage with Steed in Rolls.
Well, although not mentioned in the book Bowler Hats and Kinky Boots that there was a shooting with Rolls of Steed in episode Pandora, but in the episode Take-Over also not mentioned, is not it. Wink
So, it can be assumed that for savings they inserted in Take-Over the footage with the Rolls, which initially was intended for Pandora, but in the end was unusable for the final version of the episode (as we know there were a few cases of use of the old material for new episodes). In this case, I think there was Rolls Royce New Phantom 1929 (UU 3864), but if they simply filmed the insert for the episode, it is most likely there was Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976). I would rather refer to the latest variant, standard practic.

As for version with other car as an imitation, ie if it was a insert for the episode, filmed at the end of production of episode as a rule (in this case, it is the last footage with Steed's car for Avengers series in general), here we should to focus on a point that they maybe not were able to use the necessary Rolls Royce again. They at first used Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976), after Rolls Royce New Phantom 1929 (UU 3864), and again Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976). Wink This suggests that maybe Rolls Royce New Phantom 1929 (UU 3864) was in use for another production at all (not The Avengers), while Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976) was back for some time. What for period - we do not know. Confused Based on it, possible when they did insert, they could not have already Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976) too, why not, so this was imitation of Rolls. Confused
All this is surrounded by mysteries, but at the moment I'm staying on the idea that they used Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1923 (KK 4976), as the most I think suitable variant. Rolling Eyes

It is interesting to hear your opinions. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have it down on my site as UU 3864 - they're both pale lemon so I must have some reason for deciding it was UU3864 instead of KK 4976.

I'll check... it may be that UU doesn't have the second window between the driver and the passengers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
I have it down on my site as UU 3864 - they're both pale lemon so I must have some reason for deciding it was UU3864 instead of KK 4976.

I'll check... it may be that UU doesn't have the second window between the driver and the passengers.


It has been tested before, Piers. Wink In episodes Stay Tuned, Fog and Bizarre, the second window between the driver and the passengers no available for KK 4976 too. In any case, they also could no used it at shooting in the studio, if for example they only back to KK4976 - after they could to install the window, if need. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car in "Take Over" has a grey side lamp beside the windscreen, whereas KK has a yellow and chrome sidelamp (Super Secret Cypher Snatch, Getaway!, etc.), so I think this makes it UU, which definitely has a grey sidelamp.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you're right, Piers. Razz It turns out that this was not a secret, despite I was not only one who was interested for it. So, it looks, that it's most likely been filmed before February 7, 1969 - maybe the insert from unused footage to Pandora? What do you think about it, Piers. Rolling Eyes Which version seems the most appropriate for the history of this footage for you - Steed in Rolls Royce in Take-Over? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it's a projection scene done in the studio it would have been filmed on a different date, not a location filming date. The location work is in the opener and in the hunting scenes, mostly. I would not like to hazard a guess.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I thought as it is known that on February 7 they have returned KK, it is likely that from this point if they were doing the shooting in the studio, they would uses KK too, because I think they already have not had in the avaialble of UU.
Why?
If we look at the Season 5 (colored episodes with Diana Rigg), we will see that in period Bentley RX, they used UW for one episode, then hired YT when RX still had available.
I guess they were planning to complete the producing of season at the end of the summer 1967 at all, this is term they hired Bentley RX (they well knew that Diana Rigg has to leave the show on 30 August for work in film Midsummer Night's Dream too). When they realized that did not fit into the schedule, they began to think in advance about finding another car. So, there was test for UW, I think, and then they stopped at YT in July. "Rental period" for the RX ended in August, that looks logically for me, based on speculation above.

Back to the season 6 Wink I gues they were planning to use the UU to the end of production, but something went wrong, and they returned to the KK forcedly. If my theory is correct, then shooting with UU, that we see on screen in Take-Over, should was to be before February 7, 1969. Wink

OK, stop, we will no guess. Smile
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