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2.02 - Trap

 
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Darren
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:26 am    Post subject: 2.02 - Trap Reply with quote

Written by Brian Clemens
Directed by Ray Austin
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 for me
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7/10

Soo Choy. He's the main issue with this episode. Terry Wood has an imposing build but is clearly not Chinese. It really doesn't help that he's dubbed with a voice that, though threatening, doesn't fit him. Since he was part of the cast and had a long history of voices, I reckon it was Robert Rietty voice. He's a rather laughable character as he's so serious.

Another issue is where is the episode supposed to be set?

But the meat of the episode is the leads. they work so well together, using their ingenuity to outwit the baddies. And it's got a great Johnson score.

Flawed but fun if you're in the right mood.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trap?

Trash.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not classic TNA, but by no means as bad as some people make out. 5/10 from me. Rich.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes agree with Darren. It has the makings of a good episode. Just without a villain. Soo Choy almost comes across comedic. That's the way I took it. This Chinese dude who is obviously caucasian with the dubbed voice.

Who was the casting director or consultant?
Anybody know what went wrong here?

In any case this is an example of a plot that's not too bad. Lots of good action scenes. TNA landing a plane. All great. But one fundamental flaw that makes the episode look almost like a parody rather than great espionage and intrigue.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What can I say?

I had read a lot of previous comments but watched with an open mind. If anything I was more ready to find something good in this episode. But I couldn't. Anti-clockwise said it, it is a parody. I felt I was watching a very bad, very long Benny Hill sketch.

Mrs. NickP, who knew nothing about it, said when it had finished "that was rubbish wasn't it?".

I've scored it 1 for the opening scene ... and because there is no 0 option.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickP wrote:
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What can I say?

I had read a lot of previous comments but watched with an open mind. If anything I was more ready to find something good in this episode. But I couldn't. Anti-clockwise said it, it is a parody. I felt I was watching a very bad, very long Benny Hill sketch.
Benny Hill doesn't deserve that!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the episode that almost unanimously shared by everyone as one of the worst in the second season. Do I agree? Definitely.
The episode may still intrigue until the Avengers do not fall into the territory of Soo Choy.
Good scene with a courier in the parking lot. I think it's best scene. And the humor is quite good:
(in Russian soundtrack) "George Washington?". "He is not like George Washington". "You know what I mean".
However, I do not liked the Terry Wood's play in episode The Three-Handed Game and he again in TNA - here. My bewilderment, ladies and gentlemens. Confused Well, he plays as well as in the aforementioned episode. Dry, with a straight face, without a soul, and most importantly - do not even attempt to portray the Japanese. How many paid Terry Wood for it? I think a little bit.
Nice to see Ferdy Mayne, but unfortunately it serves as a background (sadly).
So, if the first half of the episode is sustained in the middle way, then it starts as kindergarten, parody, and embarrassment on the faces of the fans.
Horror is already in the plane's cabin. I have the feeling that the characters are sitting in the waiting room, not in the plane - I say about first half of the scene. Laughing
Further, it is not clear exactly why the Japanese go out fully of the control room - he should was to know that he will pull out of the plane. Is he suicidal? Idiot? Or he knew that will be punished if he does not take the heroes to Soo Choy? At first glance, too, can be said about the heroes (suicide) when they open the door of the plane. But in reality, it was a risky plan to force the Japanese to land the plane. They did not know that the Japanese go out fully of the control room, logically, he should was to land the plane as heroes like.
The plane crashes and surprise - all are alive Shocked (except Japanese - though he can also to survive, we just did not know. Laughing ).
Next nightmare - walking around and around the studio (around three pines). Boring work of the operator and silly scenario moves with dialogues.
It's a real shame. It's even bad as a parody. Embarassed
Another thing that no one mentioned in the review of this episode - quite unsuitable music in the second half of Trap. She puts the final nail in the coffin. Why did this music? This is just terribly. Crying or Very sad

Summary.
The average first half and awful - the second.
3 of 10
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:

Benny Hill doesn't deserve that!

True, I hadn't meant to be disparaging to Mr. Hill; but even his greatest fan would find it difficult to tolerate a single sketch that lasts an hour. As well as the stereotyped pantomime Chinese villain it seemed that some of the action had been speeded up, e.g. the scenes with the soldiers setting the trap in the wood, which I found made parallels with Benny Hill unavoidable. They might as well have ended the episode with the cast chasing Soo Choy around the woods to tune of Yakety Sax, that would have improved my score.

denisrigg wrote:

Good scene with a courier in the parking lot. I think it's best scene. And the humor is quite good:
(in Russian soundtrack) "George Washington?". "He is not like George Washington". "You know what I mean".


I'm not sure how this translated into Russian but in the original English that scene continued to the best exchange in the show.
"Perhaps it's on his mother's side"
"I always was on his mother's side."
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NickP wrote:
Frankymole wrote:

Benny Hill doesn't deserve that!

True, I hadn't meant to be disparaging to Mr. Hill; but even his greatest fan would find it difficult to tolerate a single sketch that lasts an hour. As well as the stereotyped pantomime Chinese villain it seemed that some of the action had been speeded up, e.g. the scenes with the soldiers setting the trap in the wood, which I found made parallels with Benny Hill unavoidable. They might as well have ended the episode with the cast chasing Soo Choy around the woods to tune of Yakety Sax, that would have improved my score.
Heheh, yes. Done as an outright comedy it might have sort of worked. I think the closest Avengers came was "Look - Stop Me if You've Heard This One, But There Were These Two Fellers..." but even that had an underlying hard edge. "The Correct Way to Kill" or even the (similarly oriental-influenced to "Trap"?) "Legacy of Death" stories were perhaps more silly / less serious intent, especially the latter being a movie spoof. Yes, the more I think about it, it's the humourlessness of "Trap" that kills it. Even other TNA series 1 episodes that seem more "gritty" had more humour.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, but didn't Purdey show she was a superb tennis player to add to her many skills Laughing Giving poor old Gambit the runaround again Laughing
Legwarmers and Tights playing tennis ...is Purdey making a statement ? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Embarrassing all around. Even the set-up sucks. I was expecting Soo Choy to turn out to be an Englishman who thinks he's Chinese, but instead it's just a terrible, embarrassing racial stereotype that makes zero sense. Best part of the whole episode was Steed setting his own broken arm. The climax worked all right, but again the villain was so confused a character I didn't know what to think.

Oh, and I do get tired of Gambit's petty little jealousies of Purdey's potential love interests, especially when he's messing around with wordless blondes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Purdey's potential love interests...Gambit's petty jealousy of them.... always thought Purdey showed far more jealousy than Gambit Question
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there things about Trap that are absolutely stupid? You bet!

Do I still enjoy the episode? You bet!

There are some significant flaws in the show which make it hilarious: Soo Choy, the most white Asian diabolical villain ever; a plane crash in which two of the three people are fine, and one suffers a broken arm; nearly everything else.

Steed flew a large commercial airliner in "Dead on Course," so in terms of writers not remembering what was already written, Steed was a pilot and could have downed the plane adequately.

Steed says a famous line to Gambit "It's MY arm!" convincing Gambit that yeah, Steed knows his arm is broken. The all stick cast is great! Steed hanging around with Purdey in the woods is fun--although in reality hiding in a white shirt in the woods is probably not the best camouflage!

Steed being wounded and nearly unclothed on his upper body...that puts the episode up around 8/10 right to begin with. His hair is mussed! He certainly has a high pain tolerance after the "It's my arm" comment, as he chokes someone with his broken arm, and uses it at the end to clarify his hand was not sliced off.

Unfortunately, for those of us who greatly dislike Gambit, Soo Choy did not cut off his head....And, the incredibly inappropriate last line of "Chinese Take-Away" was bizarre in a rational view of the scene, as just how fast and how far do they think they can drive with men running behind the Jeep before the men are 1) exhausted and 2) being dragged, and they have to stop?

I mean the sheer lunacy of the episode, and the injured Steed, makes it one I have no trouble watching again and again.
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