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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Dead Duck Reply with quote

With postings on the forum virtually grinding to a halt, has interest in The Avengers reached an all time low ? There are 8106 members here, and new ones joining all the time, yet nobody posts ! This seems to be the norm now rather than a quiet lull. As many of the die hard fans who remember the series original run move into their 50th and probably 60th years themselves, and with many of the people associated with it being no longer with us, is the Avengers as a topic for discussion finally approaching it's shelf life ? Is there really anything new to say that hasn't already been said over the, what, past 25 years ? It seems not. There was a time a couple of decades ago when everyone over the age of 30 seemed to know the Avengers, and Avengers forums were a buzz with activity. These days it seems many people in their 40's haven't even heard of it. Sadly I think as a topic for general discussion and interest, the Avengers is rapidly becoming something of a dead duck. I'm finding recently too, that for the second and probably final time in my life, that my interest in the show is again on a rapid decline.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that for the conversation to continue, there needs to be a new generation of fans to ask questions and want to find out more about the series. With the show airing on True Entertainment and ITV4, there's hope of that happening - and that's just in the UK.

But I'm with you. My personal interest peaked sometime ago. Sad but true.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of Avengers interest, chat, and excellent photo-posts on The Avengerians (with nearly 3.000 members and growing rapidly)
and Fans of Diana Rigg Facebook Groups from fans all over the world - but very sadly, a declining number of posts here.

I definitely think there is a large new generation of interest out there - but we are not seeing it reflected on the forum.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I've looked but apparently interest thrives on Tumblr but then that's more of a visual arena to post animated gif etc - dare i suggest it takes less effort to post a pre-existing photo and have it liked whatever.

A couple of years back I found it very stimulating to contribute to the books that Rodney Marshall compiled - looking at episodes in a deeper way than would normally be the case.

I agree that it needs new fans and as Alan says the reshowing may encourage new fans.

Is it wider than The Avengers - is Cult TV in general hitting a lull. Have we now discovered all those things that made us nostalgic or galvanised our interest. There are no more episodes to be released (well Tunnel of Fear but I don't expect to see that outside of a pirate copy..), there's nothing to stimulate our interest. Once upon a time, the videos were slowly being released and they had episode titles on them of which i knew nothing or had only read a synopsis. Now the series amounts to a favourite book you once read sitting on a shelf.

I still like to stick the odd episode on from time to time, have the odd mini-marathon.

But I'm sure for all of us, life has changed around our interest and we don't have the same space to indulge or there's too much to indulge in so our interest is diluted by all the other stuff.

In terms of the forum - the show isn't one that especially invites deep analysis from the broader fan base - we enjoy the superficial aspects and they don't that doesn't necessarily encourage long term discussion and debate. In days gone by the most debate came from those defending Tara King's value against Emma Peel's.

Yes, the forum does have new members (when they're not those bots thing) but there's nothing to encourage and excite discussion.

...Maybe someone will be mad enough to create a new series that actually succeeds and then we'll have someone to hate and say it's not as good as the classic and others say it doesn't need to be they can both exist and others who only love the new series...haha
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is interesting. I have found that despite owning all the DVDs etc , i make a point of watching the showings on true entertainment and now ITV4. I find i am still very much interested in the series. Though part of the joy for me has been to watch the Julie Stevens episodes, and mock her singing. It's become a bit of a game now, and i'm surprised it isn't more popular. Cringing and laughing at the same time.! Maybe it's only me...

The series has always been my all-time favourite and I am always on the look-out for merchandise. The big finish graphic novel of the original "Diana" comic-strips was so welcome. I have also recently gotten into the Roger Marshall books, which I find an enjoyable read.

Hopefully, as mentioned, the showings on 2 UK channels now will mean more new fans. But I think the point about the popularity of the series on tumblr and facebook is a significant one. For new fans coming onto the forum it could be a bit of a jolt not to see images everywhere, accompanying the text. The increased visual aspect of social media may mean the nature of forums seems "dry" to some. I know it won't really be a forum in the true sense, but perhaps if there could be a way to easily post images as well, it may attract more new fans. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook and the like has made a dent in all forums. I belong to a few forums and they have all been quiet for some time. I wouldn't say they're a dead duck though. I still learn things here, such as Diana's appearance at Elstree this Sunday. I read about that here. I didn't see a mention of it anywhere else. Thanks to this forum I bought a ticket and I'm going Exclamation I'll let you all know what Diana says on Sunday.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rich

I will be there, along with half the regular attendees of the Treasure Hunt Event.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great to hear. I'm travelling down alone from Birmingham as I couldn't talk anyone into coming along. The only Avengers fans I know are on here. It would be nice to meet you all but as we've never met before I doubt we'll recognise each other. Laughing If we don't see each other have a great day! Looking forward to hearing Diana speak.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually the avengers forum is doing better than you would think. Think back to a year and half ago when Alan posted about this very issue. People had stopped posting and the forum looked like it was going to die. And the presence of social was not the only reason for it

But people came back though because they love this place enough to keep it going. the activity is way better than it was 2 years ago. It says a lot with a show that ceased to be active for the last 20 years

Facebook and tumbler does make it easier but I also find it makes for a lot lazier postings. I prefer actual forums like tis when discussing common interest or fandom where people have to actually make more effort to engage each other

sadly I don't post much since after 20 years of discussions in this and earlier versions of the forum I've pretty much ran out of things to say.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Frank, it's a combination of facebook, tumblr and other commitments taking our time away from us. Britmovies is similarly affected so it's not just us here.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberrich wrote:
Facebook and the like has made a dent in all forums. I belong to a few forums and they have all been quiet for some time. I wouldn't say they're a dead duck though. I still learn things here, such as Diana's appearance at Elstree this Sunday. I read about that here. I didn't see a mention of it anywhere else. Thanks to this forum I bought a ticket and I'm going Exclamation I'll let you all know what Diana says on Sunday.


I agree, Rich and Frank, this is still the best place for serious, detailed Avengers discussion and information.
Enjoy Diana's appearance at Elstree Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rich

I will be there, along with half the regular attendees of the Treasure Hunt Event.


Yes, I'll be there too (will probably wear my 'An ITC Production' T-shirt if anyone wants to say hello) so I'm looking forward to seeing a few familiar faces outside of the Treasure Hunt environment.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll say hello if I see you! Hoping to bump into some of the people I've chatted to on her over the years. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrs_emma_peel wrote:
There's a lot of Avengers interest, chat, and excellent photo-posts on The Avengerians (with nearly 3.000 members and growing rapidly)
and Fans of Diana Rigg Facebook Groups from fans all over the world - but very sadly, a declining number of posts here.

I definitely think there is a large new generation of interest out there - but we are not seeing it reflected on the forum.


What is The Avengerians? I've never heard of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Avergerians is a Facebook group. There are now over 3,500 members.

Lots of interesting pictures, some I've never seen before ... such as this one posted today:


However, like all Facebook groups it's completely unstructured and you need to have a Facebook account to view it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian

This image is from the Elstree Studios 'Add-A-Vision' booklet they issued in the sixties to publicise the fact that they were the first major UK film studio to utilize this system, which was actually their system based on a similar German system they has studied and then decided that they make better.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike. I remember seeing the system in use on a Leslie Phillips feature film but I don't think I've seen that Avengers picture before.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's great to see shots like that.

I'm normally good at it but it took me a while to identify where the shot was from - The Forget-Me-Knot. It's the hallway from Steed's apartment building. I do't recall the scene though. I think we only see it when Emma and Tara pass one another.

I wish we had more photo sharing on this forum (I'm not gonna rejoin Facebook ever just to see some photos).
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole Add-A-Vision booklet has been available for download as a PDF from The Avengers Declassified for about the last five years. Smile

Enjoy!

http://www.declassified.hiddentigerbooks.co.uk/king_archive.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers. Alan. That was one that I've missed previously.

Interestingly, Don Sharp is the director. I wonder if this was set up specifically for the brochure and not part of an episode.

But if it is an episode - it would come from Invasion of the Earthmen, Curious Case of the Countless Clues or Get-A-Way. That set doesn't feature in any of those episodes - that would suggest a deleted scene. I'm imagining it was specially shot for the brochure though. I'd guess it was done when Don Sharp had finished or was completing Curious Case and they'd erected the hallway set for Forget-me-knot.
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