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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject: Steed's Superlative Seven Uniform Reply with quote

Hey, all, does anyone know whether the uniform Steed wears in Superlative Seven represents an actual, authentic British military uniform? If yes, which branch of service and rank?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it's a Royal Marines uniform. 'Royal Marines being the amphibious infantry of the Royal Navy'.

The hat is a Bicorn with white feathers - I think that makes him a Officer.

These two images of Officers from the early 1800's combined seem to sum up his look:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Darren"]I believe it's a Royal Marines uniform. 'Royal Marines being the amphibious infantry of the Royal Navy'.

The hat is a Bicorn with white feathers - I think that makes him a Officer.

Cool! Thanks! Do you know what class of officer?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that the uniform is a Royal Marines uniform because the insignia on the cuffs do not match the Navy uniforms. There are many references to the Navy in his third flat, but during series 5 and 6 Steed "fancies" the Crimean War. And at the beginning of the episode he stands in front of the large painting above his mantlepiece, The Charge of the Light Brigade in the Battle of Balaclava on 25 October 1854 from the Crimean War painted by Robert Alexander Hillingford in 1899.
I guess it is a Staff Officer's uniform, but I found nothing better than this picture a while ago.
But on the other hand- I'm not an expert.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't pretend to be any sort of expert.

There's this image from a book on the history of Royal Navy uniforms. Number 8 is the closest I've found. Steed's hat with the huge swan feather plume seems to have been something that came later as a more ceremonial look.



Red was a common colour for the uniforms of the late 1700's/early 1800 as it was cheap (also said to disguise blood stains...). Afterwards they went with a navy blue colour.

So many uniforms of the period are sooo similar, it's a challenge to pin down but I'm sticking with Royal Navy.

In the episode, Max Hardy greets Steed with a comment about the Battle of Waterloo - and what little I know is that the Royal Navy were involved in the fight.

As an aside 'Camp' Freddie Richards says, "Kitchener's Valet?" when touching Steed's jacket - this was a reference to the trendy London clothing boutique I Was Lord Kitchener's Valet - where John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix and Mick Jagger got some of their gear.Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, all, for the info about the uniform!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the episode I think they refer to it as being one of Wellington's officers. Given the gold chevrons on the cuffs, staff officer looks the most likely answer.
The marines have straight navy cuffs with gold inside them, Steed's are slanted along the lowest chevron.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine the ABC costume department weren't overly concerned with historical accuracy when asked to supply a fancy dress costume.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed they would not, yet they appear to have done so and he is dressed as a Major General of the period. That ties in with the feather bicorne which was for upper ranks.

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General officers
Before 1767, there were no definite badges for Field Marshals and General officers. In 1767, the British Army issued an order to distinguish Field Marshals (once the rank was established in 1813) and different graded General officers by the combination of chevron-shaped ess pattern laces on the sleeve.

Field Marshal: Evenly spaced six laces.
General: Evenly spaced four laces.
Lieutenant General: Six laces in threes.
Major General: Four laces in twos.
Brigadier General: Three laces. Upper twos were in pair.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
Indeed they would not, yet they appear to have done so and he is dressed as a Major General of the period. That ties in with the feather bicorne which was for upper ranks.


Thanks for the info.

I'm rather less sanguine about having received the Gilbert and Sullivan earworm, tho.... Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive amount of information in the replies.
I love this forum.
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