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denis rigg
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:59 am    Post subject: Never in Avengers/TNA credits: rejected scriptwriters Reply with quote

This topic is dedicated to the persons who worked as scriptwriters for The Avengers/TNA, but their works were rejected and they never got into credits.

1. Tudor Gates

He wrote scripts for many television series, including The Avengers and The Saint (his scripts were not adopted in both of mentioned series).




2. Michael Sayers

He wrote script (s) for The Avengers under the pseudonym Michael Connor.




3. Michael Feeney Callan

He was one of four scriptwriters for first TNA season, although his name is not in the credits.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It always strikes me that Brian Clemens had such a set idea of what an episode should be like that very few writers ever managed to live up to it - not without being massively rewritten (episodes like Bird Who Knew Too Much and The Living Dead spring to mind).

Interesting.

I only know of Feeney Callan.

Tudor Gates - a few horror films as credits.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the comment on Brian Clemens. I've always thought that when a single writer/producer has such a strong vision about how a TV/Fim series should be and has virtually total control that the series suffers in the long run. I say long run because that vision may be great at the start (think George Lucas, Joe straczynski on Babylon 5 and recently Steven Moffat on Doctor Who to name just three) but over time that single vision can be damaging.

To be fair to Brian Clemens (RIP) I think the Avengers film series began brilliantly, as is generally acknowledged, but later on, with the loss of writers such as Roger Marshall etc, it became much more hit and miss. The level of enjoyment of these stories strongly depends on how much you like Brian Clemens vision.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Never in Avengers/TNA credits: rejected scriptwriters Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
This topic is dedicated to the persons who worked as scriptwriters for The Avengers/TNA, but their works were rejected and they never got into credits.

1. Tudor Gates

He wrote scripts for many television series, including The Avengers and The Saint (his scripts were not adopted in both of mentioned series).




2. Michael Sayers

He wrote script (s) for The Avengers under the pseudonym Michael Connor.




3. Michael Feeney Callan

He was one of four scriptwriters for first TNA season, although his name is not in the credits.



Denis

Where does your information come for this? The reason I ask is that I exchanged correspondence with the late Tudor Gates for several years and he never mentioned having written any unused screenplays for The Avengers.

He did have a strange arrangement with fellow writer Brian Degas, where Degas would get a commission to provide a shooting script and Gates would actually write it, but take no credit, but they would split the fee 50/50. Later, Gates wanted a fifty per cent credit and so the screenplays were submitted under both names, although it was Tudor doing the actual writing.

Michael Sayers was an Irish born writer who worked in the USA, but after his communist sympathies had been brought to the attention of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, he was blacklisted, after which he had found it impossible to obtain writing work in the States. Sayers had to move back to Ireland, although he found an outlet with the ITP film series such as The Adventures of Robin Hood and Sword of Freedom. Eventually, American producers began using him again, which started with Charles K Feldman using him as one of many contributors to the sixties Bond spoof Casino Royale.

With regard to Michael Feeney Callan working on The New Avengers. I do seem to have found where this has come from on the net, although it does seem like a throwaway line. It would be nice to know more.

Over the years, I had come across various unmade scripts and storylines and when writing Bowler Hats and Kinky Boots, I outlined all the ones I was aware of which included material by Eric Paice, John Kruse, Philip Levene, Roger Marshall, Pat Silver & Jessie Lasky Jnr, Brian Clemens, Martin Woodhouse, Robert Banks Stewart and Cyril Abrahams, plus a script and outline for a pilot episode for The New Avengers by Tony Williamson.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
I agree about the comment on Brian Clemens. I've always thought that when a single writer/producer has such a strong vision about how a TV/Fim series should be and has virtually total control that the series suffers in the long run. I say long run because that vision may be great at the start (think George Lucas, Joe straczynski on Babylon 5 and recently Steven Moffat on Doctor Who to name just three) but over time that single vision can be damaging.

To be fair to Brian Clemens (RIP) I think the Avengers film series began brilliantly, as is generally acknowledged, but later on, with the loss of writers such as Roger Marshall etc, it became much more hit and miss. The level of enjoyment of these stories strongly depends on how much you like Brian Clemens vision.


When I interviewed Brian Clemens many years ago at his Kensington apartment, I touched upon the fact that the majority of season 5 (Rigg colour) was written mainly by Philip Levene and himself. He outlined how on the previous season he had to do a great deal of editing and rewriting and for the colour Rigg episodes he decided rather than do so much rewriting he might as well write the episodes himself.

However, in saying that there was still reworking and editing to doÖ and he went on by saying that Philip Levene was a brilliant ideas man for coming up with novel storylines, but his dialogue writing left something to be desired and as such Clemens would have to rewrite dialogue in all his episodes. Likewise, Dead Manís Treasure, which Clemens informed me had a major rewrite and really the only thing left from Michael Winder;s draft script was the car rally/treasure hunt concept.

I tend to agree with your thoughts regarding a producer, or show runner as they tend to be called nowadays, writing too many episodes and Stephen Moffiat being a classic example of someone who wrote very good material to begin with, but as time went on his work as a whole went downhill and his plotlines tended to be very similar.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to let you know Mike-I was reading your book again for the umpteenth time just the other day! It is THE go-to book for me!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrspeel01 wrote:
Just to let you know Mike-I was reading your book again for the umpteenth time just the other day! It is THE go-to book for me!

Ron


Thanks Ron

I was extremely lucky that Telos Publishing had faith in the project and took the risk as at the time it was highest word count for any book they had published, but they have been more than happy with its performance.

Being offered the chance to look over actual ABC Television documentation and shooting schedules was really the icing on the cake and helped me create something far more detailed than I ever imagined when I started writing it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I just read the article about scriptwriter Cyril Abraham in newspaper The Liverpool Echo (18 October 1967), in relation to what he contributed for the series.

Indeed, when in October 2012 was released never filmed script This'll Kill You (1967) for color Emma Peel block, it became well known about Cyril. But imagine if we had studied this article in the newspaper about Cyril many many years earlier, we just would try guessed what specifically wrote Cyril (for which Avengers season). Wink
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