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Frankymole · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:36 pm Post subject:

Although I think the Venus Smith character was a huge misfire for the show, being totally against the grain of interesting and dynamic (nay, groundbreaking) female regular characters - even the surgery receptionists of Drs Keel and King were more enterprising - I do in fact love Julie Stevens and her enthusiasm for the show and her part in it.

I'm tempted to watch her episodes (and hers alone) in sequence and in production order to see how they progressed, or regressed. IIRC, she started as a mature woman and ended as a Beatles groupie. Though I will be putting ear plugs in for the songs.
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dissolute · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject:

I'd recommend that Franky but I like Venus. You will too by the time you reach "Man in the Mirror". Smile

To my mind, she progressed from being a dull Fifties cabaret performer to a groovy beat chick. Why they ever put her in that terrible wig for the early episodes is beyond me.
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Rhonda · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:01 am Post subject:

A Happy Birthday (20th Dec) to Julie Stevens. Venus Smith is very entertaining!
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MRotten · Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:17 pm Post subject:

I always fast forward past the musical numbers. They just seem like padding. But I love all of her episodes, especially A Chorus of Frogs and School for traitors.

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Frankymole · Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:59 pm Post subject:

Oh she was fantastic on Play School, and all her interviews. Great charisma. The writers just didn't seem to be excited by her character. They really cottoned on to Cathy Gale, which is probably why Venus suffered.
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mrspeel01 · Thingumajig Joined: 20 May 2016 Posts: 81

I actually can't blame the writers to be honest. Cathy Gale was something completely new, which eveyone could see. Venus, however was not. A nightclub singer was more the '50s than the new exciting '60s era. Perhaps this is why new producer John Bryce decided to change her into a younger character with the short Vidal Sisoon haircut. Not that this was any better, in my opinion.

The fact the plot always had to stop for one of her "musical" numbers did not help at all. Nor the fact that she wasn't a good singer. If she had been a real jazz singer a la Cleo Laine, for example, it might have worked. No disrespect to Julie Stevens, who was warm and likeable and deserved her later success. But Cathy, was, of course, the future and we will/should always be grateful for her.

Allard · Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:48 am Post subject:

Don't forget that a charterer like Cathy Gale played by a somewhat older actress was a big gamble for the makers of the show.

Venus Smith was the safe normal route. I can imagine it was comforting to have something to fall back on if the Cathy Gale thing didn't work out.

mrspeel01 · Thingumajig Joined: 20 May 2016 Posts: 81

I don't think Honor Blackman was seen in TV land as an "older actress" at that time,in her 30s, as leading actors/actresses in TV were generally around that age or older upto this point -1962. The "youth audience" of TV was not yet as strongly considered as it would soon become in the '60s. Then the age of leading characters became younger.

However, Cathy Gale, as a character, was new and exciting and was certainly a gamble. But that was the rationale behind the series from the start-to create something new and fresh from a somewhat tried and tested formula. But yes, i can understand that Venus may have initailly been seen as a "safety net", and when Cathy was so quickly accepted by audiences, she was no longer deemed necessary.

MasterMind · Little Wonder Joined: 17 Sep 2017 Posts: 105

I really like the Venus eps as a kind of counterpoint to the Cathy ones.

Also I think the Venus ones are important because they show the lead male character having a healthy, warm relationship with a woman that's not based on romance or sex, or on the quest for either of those things. I really like that Steed relates to Venus more as a big brother or older cousin, and she is like the little sister or younger cousin.

That kind of representation matters.
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mrspeel01 · Thingumajig Joined: 20 May 2016 Posts: 81

I can only assume that the importance of having such a pro-active, ground breaking female Character as Cathy, especially at that time, precluded an analysis about the considered importance of the relationship between Steed and Venus. I can't imagine the then production team took the time to analyse it in the way it can be analysed today.

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Allard · Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:25 am Post subject:

When Honor Blackman was considered for the role her age was a concern, preference was for someone younger. And I agree, Blackman was not old at the time, but this is what happened.

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mrspeel01 · Thingumajig Joined: 20 May 2016 Posts: 81

In the books I have read, and have just checked, the outline/profile of the character Cathy Gale states she is approx 35 (mid 30s) The outline for Venus was as a younger character.

It is stated that Sydney Newman (often credited as "creator" of the series) who was head of drama at ABC at the time, told the then producer Leonard White when Honor's name was mentioned that he didn't want her. He said he hated those that had come through the "Rank Studios charm school". Newman felt thay were groomed to constantly smile and be amiable and he saw Cathy as a tougher character, which he didn't feel Honor could portray. But of course she did so billiantly. I haven't read/heard that her age was a concern, particularly as she fit the character outline in terms of age.

It is also stated that Moira Redmond was on the shortlist for Emma Peel (after the departure of Elizabeth Shepherd) and she is just 3 years younger than Honor! Brian Clemens often stated that it was between Moira and Diana Rigg but that it was felt a (TV) unknown was preferable, plus Diana had really impressed in her screen test and with her chemistry with Macnee.