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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott Tyler

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This was mentioned in New Zealand TV Weekly (29 April, 1968) that Scott participated in The Avengers:

http://www.lonely.geek.nz/kiwi-tv/index.php/history-mainmenu-50/channel-check/2698-1968-04-29-channel-check

People who have played in episodes of popular TV series seem to be common visitors these days. Take Auckland-born Scott Tyler, for example-now heading back for a film job in Rome, with a Riptide episode to do for Australian TV on the way. Scott, seen while on holiday here in The Late Show has had parts in The Avengers, The Saint, The Forsythe Saga, F.B.I. and The Wild, Wild West, apart from playing important roles in London‘s West End theatre productions.


IMDb page:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5783443
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denis rigg wrote:
If resume of Charlie in programme of Aberdeen, His Majesty's Theatre (november 1964) was first mention about his participation in The Avengers, guessing that he could to be in the original version of The Town of No Return, for example, as well. Wink

Sadly, I'm trying for the fifth time to find anyone like Charlie, Jack Le White and others from this forum topic in the whole TV series, but still unsuccessfully. Hmm, it's actually doubtfully, that if they all did not get into the final editing. There must be at least two or three of the performers, mentioned in this thread, somewhere on screen in the series. Confused


Philly has spotted him in Box of Tricks in his pre-wig phase so his hairline is quite different.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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4. And conversely... I agree with you, Piers, that there is no Bill Westley Jr in sight in episode The Cybernauts in general.


You're wrong there, Denis. Dan & I are in agreement about the karate guy being Bill and Paul Weston confirms it.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
denis rigg wrote:
If resume of Charlie in programme of Aberdeen, His Majesty's Theatre (november 1964) was first mention about his participation in The Avengers, guessing that he could to be in the original version of The Town of No Return, for example, as well. Wink

Sadly, I'm trying for the fifth time to find anyone like Charlie, Jack Le White and others from this forum topic in the whole TV series, but still unsuccessfully. Hmm, it's actually doubtfully, that if they all did not get into the final editing. There must be at least two or three of the performers, mentioned in this thread, somewhere on screen in the series. Confused


Philly has spotted him in Box of Tricks in his pre-wig phase so his hairline is quite different.


Maybe, Piers, I’m personally not 100 percent sure.


dissolute wrote:
denis rigg wrote:

4. And conversely... I agree with you, Piers, that there is no Bill Westley Jr in sight in episode The Cybernauts in general.


You're wrong there, Denis. Dan & I are in agreement about the karate guy being Bill and Paul Weston confirms it.


Aha, great news, Piers, if Paul Weston confirms it, in this case, in my opinion, one of window cleaners in Super Secret Cypher Snatch is no Bill, as indicate on your site.



If there is confirmation that this is Bill too, then I have big problems with identifications, because for me they are two different people. Wink

I thought it was Bill (pic below), as was thought a long time (I decided you were in agreement with, by looking at the picture above): Confused



Many thanks to Paul Weston.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the shot with the white bowler was three years later an in bright sunlight.
I think they're the same person but I will go back to the attribution I received to double check. He certainly has the same creases on the left side of his face, same eyebrows, same mouth and the angle of the head hides the chin shape.
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Well, the shot with the white bowler was three years later an in bright sunlight.
I think they're the same person but I will go back to the attribution I received to double check. He certainly has the same creases on the left side of his face, same eyebrows, same mouth and the angle of the head hides the chin shape.


Yes, but his the chin is a little bigger and he has a completely different eyes section, as if real Bill (thanks again to Paul Weston) had undergone a plastic surgery or he had swelling for some reason. These are almost the same eyes and maybe even the same person on the black-and-white photo below.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's the angle of the face that makes it look different - try it yourself in a mirror sometime!

In the Cybernauts pic his head is tiled down and the others it's slightly back so you see the flesh underneath.

Here's a couple shots that show him looking more like his father, the Flickr one clearly shows both chin shapes:

http://www.propbay.com/attachments/original/8605d1366473841-esb-norwegian-crew-parka-img_5749.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers/38249123315/


Also, on Moviedude's page, I'd say it clear that the Saint picture and the Gidfeon's way picture are the same man, but the Saint guy is also clearly the Avengers guy.

What do you think?

btw here's the facebook post where Paul states it's him:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/avengerians/permalink/24079968526176
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Checked my notes and it was Phil Ellis who IDed him the Super Secret Cypher Snatch.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dissolute wrote:
I think it's the angle of the face that makes it look different - try it yourself in a mirror sometime!

In the Cybernauts pic his head is tiled down and the others it's slightly back so you see the flesh underneath.

Here's a couple shots that show him looking more like his father, the Flickr one clearly shows both chin shapes:

http://www.propbay.com/attachments/original/8605d1366473841-esb-norwegian-crew-parka-img_5749.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers/38249123315/


Also, on Moviedude's page, I'd say it clear that the Saint picture and the Gidfeon's way picture are the same man, but the Saint guy is also clearly the Avengers guy.

What do you think?


Actually, with serious identifications, anyone cannot ignore different angles, lighting, etc. of face - you're right with it - this is all taken into account by default. Wink

In The Cybernauts, there are enough frames with Bill to understand how his face actually looks.


Chin shape:

I guess this picture by link below was taken approx. in the late 1970s, it is clear that Bill is already aged. That is, many years have passed - it is quite normal that his face have changed a over so period.

http://www.propbay.com/attachments/original/8605d1366473841-esb-norwegian-crew-parka-img_5749.jpg

And after - again many years later:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mayhemers/38249123315/

But I do not believe that his face has changed so much in three years - beyond recognition (if not plastic surgery or swelling):



I'm sorry, Piers, I'd say it clear (for me) that the Saint picture and the Gidfeon's way picture are the different people on Moviedude's page.
But maybe I'm a bad identifier, then it is clear why I think so. Wink Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but look at a different angle of Bill in The Cybernauts and it's seems much closer, that's why I'm saying the angle of the face is important.



His chin is different in every shot here but you've got me thinking, so I'm asking Phil what he thinks.
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dissolute wrote:
Yes but look at a different angle of Bill in The Cybernauts and it's seems much closer, that's why I'm saying the angle of the face is important.



His chin is different in every shot here but you've got me thinking, so I'm asking Phil what he thinks.


I agree, angle of the face is important - depending on the angle of the face and lighting, we get a slightly different face. Chin on these shots is slightly modified, but slightly.

In any case, thank you Piers for your interesting thoughts - it’s a big discovery that now there are no mysteries of what young Bill looked like. It is wonderful.

It's curious what Phil will say. Wink
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Okay, so Phil concedes he was misled by the Gideon's Way picture and the similarity between the men, I've removed the attribution. Well done, Denis, for calling it out.

To make up for it, I just spotted Lee Fenton in Split! so I've updated that as well.

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Okay, so Phil concedes he was misled by the Gideon's Way picture and the similarity between the men, I've removed the attribution. Well done, Denis, for calling it out.

To make up for it, I just spotted Lee Fenton in Split! so I've updated that as well.

"What you lose on the roundabouts you make up on the swings"


Good to hear, Piers! For many years I used to be a little surprised that Bill participated in b/w Emma Peel series and seem did not to appear as extra in any of the episodes of that period - but it turns out he is in The Cybernautes. Hopefully we will find out in future who were the other currently unidentified extras in that episode. Smile

You spotted Lee Fenton in Split!? Cheers, I will look soon. Razz

"What you lose on the roundabouts you make up on the swings" - memorable phrase from the "Game". It sinks into the soul on first watching. As accurately said.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jill Goldston

Participated in the early Avengers era (presumably series 2).

First post in the topic of Jill on Britmovie forum:

https://www.britmovie.co.uk/forum/cinema/actors-and-actresses/extras-aa/73881-jill-goldston

Hello everyone,

I'm a filmmaker currently developing a documentary about prolific extra Jill Goldston, and thought you might be interested in seeing some of my research as it progresses.

I met with Jill earlier this year and she handed me over a long list of all the film, TV and commercial jobs she’s worked. As I understand it, this list was originally typed up by Scott Palmer and based on her diary entries.

Some of you may already have a copy of this, but I have (re)-digitised it, and started to do my best to determine what the entries mean, the best format they’re available on (if at all), and of course, if I can spot Jill.

I’ve put this all into a google sheet, with tabs at the bottom sorted by decade – and have been sporadically working my way through it in no particular order!


LINK: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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Alas, I could not find her anywhere in the surviving Avengers episodes. Sad
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I've suggested in that Britmove thread the she might be the Emma lookalike in The Hour that Never Was but I'm not convinced.
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No, that woman from The Hour that Never Was seemed like one of the stand-in for Diana as Emma Peel, she looks very similar to one from epsode Room without a View tag (on my opinion).
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