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darren
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 Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Stylistically it looks more like James Hill's direction than Don Leaver's. There's a clean, visual precision to Leaver's Avengers work that SCOTMC doesn't have. |
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denis rigg
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Darren wrote: | | Stylistically it looks more like James Hill's direction than Don Leaver's. There's a clean, visual precision to Leaver's Avengers work that SCOTMC doesn't have. |
I agree, Darren. 
However, should admit, if would I did not know who was the director of the episode How To Succeed....At Murder, I would have thought that this rather James Hill than Don Leaver.  Well, many years ago, in 1990s, I conducted a self-test to identify the directors and their Avengers work, when I knew little about it. As it turned out I was able good to identify Sidney Hayers, Robert Day, Robert Fuest and James Hill, but this was time, when I not seen any b/w Avengers episode at all.
Then when I watched the 4 season, I was surprised that while Sidney Hayers style was recognizable, I realized James Hill in a new way. In general, his style was to do some humorous scenes in a more serious manner, the individual scenes to do gloomy and ponderous, own aspects of working with camera operators and actors, etc.
So, I found the episode Honey for the Prince was not very similar to the style of James Hill, while, for example, Castle De'ath and A Touch of Brimstone were pure Hill's style.
Hmm, in addition to these things, I suspect my mistake was to doubt that the producers would have entrusted to James Hill such responsible work as the promo episode for American market. I just always thought that James Hill was not as good as the Avengers director in comparison with Don Leaver, Sidney Hayers, Roy Baker, Peter Graham Scott and some others.
Of all the Avengers directors who I think the producers could entrust the work for promo episode was Don Leaver, just reason you have indicated Darren - a clean, visual precision of Leaver's Avengers work.
As you rightly pointed out, promo episode in result stylistically looks no like Don Leaver's direction, but, if for example, comparing How To Succeed....At Murder and promo episode, here can to come to some conclusions.  Hmm...
But OK, Mike pointed out that Dave Rogers was a man who mentioned that James Hill was the director of the episode. And although we do not know for sure how Dave has come to this result, there is a good chance that James Hill so.
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darren
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| The James Hill of Honey for the Prince is similar to the Quick Quick Slow Death. |
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denis rigg
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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In some aspects, уes. Generally, if to consider James Hill's Avengers works, I think Quick Quick Slow Death closer to Look — (Stop Me If You've Heard This One) But There Were These Two Fellers...
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mousemeat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| denis rigg wrote: | In some aspects, уes. Generally, if to consider James Hill's Avengers works, I think Quick Quick Slow Death closer to Look — (Stop Me If You've Heard This One) But There Were These Two Fellers...
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hard to say... |
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denis rigg
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| mousemeat wrote: | | hard to say... |
These comparisons are actually several individually.
Darren sees that James Hill's Honey for the Prince is similar to the Quick Quick Slow Death, I think Quick Quick Slow Death closer to Look — (Stop Me If You've Heard This One) But There Were These Two Fellers.... Of course, in some aspects mentioned comparisons are similar, but same time we can not say that these works are so close that there is no doubt.
The reason is that people have unequal visual perception, a psychology for analysis of details, etc - so we have different opinions on many things. For example, it is difficult for me to define the style of John Krish. He directed the episodes Escape in Time, The Living Dead and A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Station. I'm surprised because I see it in the way that all these works are different.  That is, if you asked me to guess the other two works director's in 5 season saying that one of them is Escape in Time, I would not be able to do it.
Among other things, John Krish directed the open titles for color Emma Peel episodes and when I did not know about it, I thought like Dave Rogers and Mike Richardson. Indeed, as far as possibility for it and the style that was closer to Robert Day and Robert Asher, and these are those people who seems the producers would entrust this job, but it is difficult to say for certain.
Such directors like John Krish, Gordon Flemyng, and some others, in my opinion, has many points in common with Robert Day and Robert Asher.
Now we can look to the other side, for example, Ray Austin. If would I did not know what episodes of the series Ray directed, and you would have asked me about it, I would be called without delay for some:
Have Guns - Will Haggle (Ray as one of main directors)
All Done with Mirrors
Target
Definetely, part of The Lion and the Unicorn
Why? Because the choreography by Ray in his own works differed from the others episodes. He just liked to focus on the action and looking for interesting "angles" to it.
I'm sure you would could identify the works of directors that I would could not and vice versa, because unequal visual perception.
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johnnybear
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Anybody else here minded to be wrapped up with Valerie Van Ost in that carpet?
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mousemeat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| johnnybear wrote: | Anybody else here minded to be wrapped up with Valerie Van Ost in that carpet?
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right now ? heh heh heh......all kidding aside, sure, why not?
hard to believe that van Ost was screen tested for Tara king...eons ago..
always loved that little small opus..which introduced the program in Color..or should I say, colour ? |
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johnnybear
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Valerie Van Ost in Satanic Rites of Dracula could bite me anyday! 
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mousemeat
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| Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| johnnybear wrote: | Valerie Van Ost in Satanic Rites of Dracula could bite me anyday!
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no doubt, something to sink her teeth into....btw, welcome to the forum, have fun surfing the site... |
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Allard
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Just don't become a fiancé. |
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johnnybear
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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No indeed!
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mousemeat
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| I was always wondering what the UK take was on this ' mini film' which was basically done for the American Market, if memory serves me right.. |
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johnnybear
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it was ever seen here in the UK but I could be wrong...
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Lee
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:02 am Post subject: |
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That was my impression, too, but I get all of my information like that from Daves Rogers's books which say it wasn't broadcast here as series 5 in the UK was broadcast by monochrome broadcasters. Hence, the U.K. Didn't really see these in colour until Channel 4 broadcast them not long after commenting its contract.
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Frankymole
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:18 am Post subject: |
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It wasn't broadcast in the UK or the US, as far as I know. It was done as a test and possibly a sales "advertisement" taster for other overseas buyers.
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Frankymole
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Lee wrote: | | That was my impression, too, but I get all of my information like that from Daves Rogers's books which say it wasn't broadcast here as series 5 in the UK was broadcast by monochrome broadcasters. Hence, the U.K. Didn't really see these in colour until Channel 4 broadcast them not long after commenting its contract. |
Scottish TV repeated the Avengers in colour maybe in the late 70s, very early 80s? That led to the edited-for-time prints with missing intros/tag scenes to fit more adverts in (some used by Channel 4). I expect some other regions did too in the 70s, but they weren't networked as such.
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mousemeat
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| Frankymole wrote: | | It wasn't broadcast in the UK or the US, as far as I know. It was done as a test and possibly a sales "advertisement" taster for other overseas buyers. |
yeah, I think I once read it was done for U.S. ABC, as a 'lure' for product sponsors, etc....as ABC was going to a all color tv schedule... |
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