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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Don't shoot the messenger.... Reply with quote

I didn't write it folks, so don't blame me.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAvengers
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't shoot the messenger.... Reply with quote

kim wrote:
I didn't write it folks, so don't blame me.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheAvengers
It was Nescafe that Gareth Hunt (and Diane Keen) advertised; not Kenco.

And the rest of it is mostly wrong, too. "Never survived the loss of Rigg"? They did more Tara episodes than colour Riggs. Maybe they should say "never survived the transition from black-and-white", it would be just as accurate Razz

The New Avengers "soon collapsed" due to its gritty tone - er, it lasted two years, and only stopped when the financial backers reneged on the deal...

I love the fact there is a category for "Evil Scotsman" (capitalised)...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't shoot the messenger.... Reply with quote

Frankymole wrote:


And the rest of it is mostly wrong, too. "Never survived the loss of Rigg"? They did more Tara episodes than colour Riggs. Maybe they should say "never survived the transition from black-and-white", it would be just as accurate Razz


I don't think The Avengers did survive losing Emma Peel. I don't think making 33 Tara King episodes makes any difference. Of course I don't know if it had lasted much longer, as the spy fad was getting tired, but losing Diana Rigg certainly didn't help.

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The New Avengers "soon collapsed" due to its gritty tone - er, it lasted two years, and only stopped when the financial backers reneged on the deal...


I remember the success of The New Avengers was spotty. After a huge fanfare, season one seemed to just piddle out. Then came the French criticism ("Make it more like Charlie's Angels!") and then the funding issues, US disinterest and generally poorer episodes in season two.

Two years? - woo woo ... Rolling Eyes Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually found that quite funny, particularly if you scroll on down and read all the little examples of cliches (this is probably the only time I'll ever hear Steed and Emma described as a "straight Will and Grace." Laughing )
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Don't shoot the messenger.... Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:

Frankymole wrote:


The New Avengers "soon collapsed" due to its gritty tone - er, it lasted two years, and only stopped when the financial backers reneged on the deal...


I remember the success of The New Avengers was spotty. After a huge fanfare, season one seemed to just piddle out. Then came the French criticism ("Make it more like Charlie's Angels!") and then the funding issues, US disinterest and generally poorer episodes in season two.

Two years? - woo woo ... Rolling Eyes Sad


From what I've read, TNA was actually quite successful internationally. It made more money than The Avengers ever did. The problem was none of it seemed to get back to the people who were actually, y'know, making it. I wouldn't say it "collapsed," either. It kept the momentum going pretty well for awhile there, until all the difficulties with being an independent production (unreliable backers, fewer people to write the scripts, no consistent time slot, etc.) overwhelmed it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless, I'm going by my own experiences of following the show when it was first broadcast in the 70's.

There was lots of media attention, well the News Of The World really, I even remember a reporter's name - Ivan Waterman. The TV Times Avengers souvineer issue (which I read until it disintergrated), the 'Purdey' haircut phenomenon (I remember a girl at work attempting a hilarious homemade version! Laughing ), Jo being criticised for not being sexy enough by the French backers, her hitting back saying the Charlie's Angels looked great in the California sunshine, but try looking sexy on a wet Monday in Pinewood Studios and Brian Clemens saying he would never sleep with any of the 'Angels', I remember the US not bothering to screen the show until 1978 and then only late night.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Timeless, I'm going by my own experiences of following the show when it was first broadcast in the 70's.

There was lots of media attention, well the News Of The World really, I even remember a reporter's name - Ivan Waterman. The TV Times Avengers souvineer issue (which I read until it disintergrated), the 'Purdey' haircut phenomenon (I remember a girl at work attempting a hilarious homemade version! Laughing ), Jo being criticised for not being sexy enough by the French backers, her hitting back saying the Charlie's Angels looked great in the California sunshine, but try looking sexy on a wet Monday in Pinewood Studios and Brian Clemens saying he would never sleep with any of the 'Angels', I remember the US not bothering to screen the show until 1978 and then only late night.


Right, and I'm not denying any of that. I wasn't there, so I just have to go by what I've read, and while I've read everything you mentioned above, I also read on more than one occasion that it actually did pretty well in terms of international sales, but for one reason or another it wasn't trickling back to where it was needed. All I'm saying is I got the impression that, despite the US not picking it up until it was too late, it actually sold pretty well and picked up its fair share of viewers, so it wasn't as if it was a flash-in-the-pan failure that nobody watched, internationally or otherwise, which is how it's sometimes made out. That's all I'm trying to say.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then you are right! Cool

The show always seems to be more popular in retrospect - I think video, DVD sales have been mostly good and it's still shown every day somewhere all over the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Then you are right! Cool

The show always seems to be more popular in retrospect - I think video, DVD sales have been mostly good and it's still shown every day somewhere all over the world.


Of course I am. Wink

When you read fan magazines from the late '70s, everyone is very excited and positive about TNA. Somewhere along the line it became fashionable to dump on it. I know when I started with the show it was at best ignored, at worst lampooned. I think having no expectations for it worked to my advantage in the end, though. Very Happy The tide of opinion has definitely changed in the past few years, though. In fact, I think all the non-Emma eras of the show have gotten a bit of a reevaluation. It's nice to see. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Timeless, I'm going by my own experiences of following the show when it was first broadcast in the 70's.

There was lots of media attention, well the News Of The World really, I even remember a reporter's name - Ivan Waterman. The TV Times Avengers souvineer issue (which I read until it disintergrated), the 'Purdey' haircut phenomenon (I remember a girl at work attempting a hilarious homemade version! Laughing ), Jo being criticised for not being sexy enough by the French backers, her hitting back saying the Charlie's Angels looked great in the California sunshine, but try looking sexy on a wet Monday in Pinewood Studios and Brian Clemens saying he would never sleep with any of the 'Angels', I remember the US not bothering to screen the show until 1978 and then only late night.


HEARD that it made money..and then read it lost money..

My thought was that it made money, however, it ended up in someone else's pocket, rather than the players, Clemens, etc...

Having a key backer, pull funding, did not help...

I first saw the show, on CBS late Night...and at one time CBS, was interested in funding the show, further...even a projected third season, so the story goes...but the lack of really solid scripts, deep sixed the series.
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