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denis rigg
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Hi, dear Fans!!! 
Opening a new topic - Extras in series!
This area fascinated me for many years and I, like Piers, conducted various studies and identification of the performers in the Avengers and TNA.
Today I would like to present for fans the latest research:
Watching the episode The Bird who Knew too Much, often I thought who is this actor? 
I definitely see him in other films, but he was nowhere in the credits.
Finally I stumbled on the answer: turns, famous extra is William F. Sully.
He played a funny role in The Avengers, as model in studio dressed as a Steed. I like to watch this scene. 
William F. Sully played in many known films: A Stitch in Time, The Ipcress File, James Bond movies, etc...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0838425/
http://movie-dude.co.uk/William%20F%20Sully.htm
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MikeR
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Extras |
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| denis rigg wrote: | Hi, dear Fans!!!
Opening a new topic - Extras in series!
This area fascinated me for many years and I, like Piers, conducted various studies and identification of the performers in the Avengers and TNA.
Today I would like to present for fans the latest research:
Watching the episode The Bird who Knew too Much, often I thought who is this actor?
Denis
I definitely see him in other films, but he was nowhere in the credits.
Finally I stumbled on the answer: turns, famous extra is William F. Sully.
He played a funny role in The Avengers, as model in studio dressed as a Steed. I like to watch this scene.
William F. Sully played in many known films: A Stitch in Time, The Ipcress File, James Bond movies, etc...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0838425/
http://movie-dude.co.uk/William%20F%20Sully.htm
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There is a book that lists many extras seen in The Avengers, with information taken from official paperwork and eagle-eyed enthusiasts. |
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denis rigg
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Extras |
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Thanks for information. Nevertheless, I think this is a good topic for research in this area. I'm sure that many of the findings in mentioned book have already been presented on other sites and forums.
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cyberrich
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Great idea for a topic I can only remember the famous extras in The Avengers. Penelope Keith in Murder Market and Nicholas Smith in Escape in time. They of course had proper roles in season 6. (Take me to your Leader, Super secret cypher snatch). I recognised the extra in the opening scene of Escape in time as an extra in the opening scene of a season 6 episode. I'm trying to recall which one. Anyone remember  Rich. |
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denis rigg
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| cyberrich wrote: | | Great idea for a topic I can only remember the famous extras in The Avengers. Penelope Keith in Murder Market and Nicholas Smith in Escape in time. They of course had proper roles in season 6. (Take me to your Leader, Super secret cypher snatch). I recognised the extra in the opening scene of Escape in time as an extra in the opening scene of a season 6 episode. I'm trying to recall which one. Anyone remember Rich. |
Clifford Earl, Rich. He played a similar small role in Super Secret Cypher Snatch. It's interesting that I first watched Super Secret Cypher Snatch in January 1995, after Escape in Time (in October same year). It happened that when I watched Escape in Time, I recalled actor from Tara episode, but I vaguely remember what happened to character there.  Bottom line, I thought, "There is a small chance that this is the same character."
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cyberrich
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2016 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| denis rigg wrote: |
Clifford Earl, Rich. He played a similar small role in Super Secret Cypher Snatch. |
That's it  Thanks. I wonder if anyone has spotted an extra in The Avengers before they became famous. |
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Ian Wegg
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Clifford Earl was later a well known face to viewers in the south of England as a continuity announcer on Southern Television.
He acted in The Avengers and Doctor Who, as well as a supporting role in Diamonds Are For Ever. He was founder of the Porton Down Veterans Support Group having been exposed to Sarin in 1953.
Sadly he passed away last year.
http://exforces.net/ken-earl-founder-of-the-porton-down-veterans-support-group-dies/
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| Ian Wegg wrote: | Clifford Earl was later a well known face to viewers in the south of England as a continuity announcer on Southern Television.
He acted in The Avengers and Doctor Who, as well as a supporting role in Diamonds Are For Ever. He was founder of the Porton Down Veterans Support Group having been exposed to Sarin in 1953.
Sadly he passed away last year.
http://exforces.net/ken-earl-founder-of-the-porton-down-veterans-support-group-dies/
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thank you. that is most interesting! Then he knows all about espionage first hand.
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| Thanks for the info Ian. The next time I watch an Avengers episode I shall be looking out for a future star among the extras Rich. |
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dissolute
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You are the business, Denis! Last time I checked Britmovies & movie dude, he was still an unknown.
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denis rigg
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| dissolute wrote: | | You are the business, Denis! Last time I checked Britmovies & movie dude, he was still an unknown. |
This was sudden happy finding, Piers! The next week will introduce some other interesting research that I've done.
The circumstances, from the afternoon to Sunday (full day) I will not be home - back to Avengerland on Monday.
In turn, I send the thanks (to admit, belated thanks) to you, Piers, for the identification of an extra Raf de la Torre in an episode "The Master Minds".
I tried for years to identify the man and once spent a whole day on it, flowing sweat , but to no avail.
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Ian Wegg
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aveleyman.com is useful site for actors' appearances, I found Clifford Earl there in 2014.
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Andrew Pixley
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Terrific thread. Always interested to see uncredited cast being identified!
All the best
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denis rigg
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John Cam
played in The Saint, Gideon's Way, movie Circus of Fear, and other works.
http://movie-dude.co.uk/John%20Cam.htm
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THat's fun to see his stunt double something we were never suppose to know. thanks Denis.
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dissolute
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Thanks Denis, I just looked at Escape in Time a month ago and still didn't connect Paul to the tout, not sure what I was thinking.... He's in a couple of other episodes as well.
Paul in my regulars gallery:
http://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avengers-tv-series/regulars/#W
Personally, I'm still not convinced that the other guy is John Cam, the only definite ID for the name is of a Doctor Who extra and the resemblance was passing at best (and he had a shaven head for the part!).
Unfortunately, it's a lost Doctor Who so I can't watch it to check.
He turns up all the time in ITC shows like Dangerman so there must be something somewhere...
[By the way, the ID for Bill Sully in You Only Live Twice I still think is Michael Nightingale, whom he closely resembles, but I know I'm in the minority on that one).
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denis rigg
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From my point of view, Josino's double and Tout are clearly same man.
Ear, nose, faint mustache, chin, almost identical hairstyle (that seen on screen) and even the hat on his head at the same angle.
Also, Paul as a journalist in episode Death's Door.
Yes, Piers, as for John Cam I was based on results from Moviedude, and Gerard Lovell here:
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/extras/103965-sighted-ah-there-you-196.html
Frankly, I had no doubt in these sources (unlike IMDB and aveleyman) and did not continue the search.
Now I researched topic:
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/british-television/101856-top-5-dr-who-pic-search-2.html
Seems actually John Cam is other person.
Thanks for info, Piers. I hope we find out who is really our extra in Two's a crowd.
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denis rigg
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Piers, however I can to confirm that person on picture below is Charles Rayford.
He is in credits for "Stars of the Roller State Disco". This is he.
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denis rigg
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Other man, Moonshiner in episode Emily (1977)
I suspect for many years he is Kurt Schiegl (ex-boxer).
He played a similar role in the Canadian film Starship Invasion (1977).
I have the movie in own collection, must admit actor plays even in the same manner as Moonshiner in TNA. Fine actor.
He is also remembered as Faum from The Ulam Tribe in movie Quest for Fire (1981).
Seaway (1966).
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