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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Julie Stevens Reply with quote

I just watched a recording of the 2000 Bafta award to the Avengers girls and was a bit disappointed that Julie Stevens didn't get a mention. So it was good to see her introducing 'The Removal Men' on the Optimum DVD. Venus Smith was an Avengers girl, and a very charming one, wasn't she!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Julie Stevens Reply with quote

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Venus Smith was an Avengers girl



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Re: Julie Stevens Reply with quote

Rhonda wrote:
Venus Smith was an Avengers girl



That's probably more of an opinion then a fact.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julie Stevens = fast forward . . .
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: Julie Stevens Reply with quote

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Rhonda wrote:
Venus Smith was an Avengers girl




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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VA_Avenger wrote:
Julie Stevens = fast forward . . .

Venus Smith = earplugs...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since everyone else is dismissing her, I'm going to stand up for Venus Smith.

She was in the Avengers and she was a "girl", therefore she was an Avengers' Girl!

Julie Stevens gives a lovely performance; wonderful, quirky, warm, funny, entertaining, innocent. I think her songs are brilliant for just being so bizarre. Box of Tricks is really the only episode to feature Venus that I don't engage with but she is a ray of sunshine is all the rest.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since everyone else is dismissing her, I'm going to stand up for Venus Smith.

She was in the Avengers and she was a "girl", therefore she was an Avengers' Girl!


I'll second that. I liked Venus immediately when I first watched the Cathys--she was warmer than Cathy, and she wasn't insufferably smug and manipulative like Steed. Watching the Gales the second time around, I find I like Cathy and Steed better, but I still have a soft spot for Venus. She's a bright, sunny character, pretty feisty, and copes pretty well given that Steed involves her and never tells her what's going on. I'm not saying I think she have been given the full 26 episodes, but I think she's a breath of fresh air in the episodes she does, and I love the little introductions Julie Stevens has done for the DVDs. I can't wait for her commentaries. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm not dissing her. My 'grabs popcorn' smiley was only there because we'd covered this topic before and I knew what might be coming. Smile

And because I wanted an excuse to use my 'grabs popcorn' smiley! Cool

I have dissmissed her as an Avenger girl in the past, but when I heard Julie's smashing commentary - and she the fact that she considers herself an Avenger girl - I thought, as Darren has said: She WAS in The Avengers. She DID get a star billing. She WAS a girl, therefore ...

Venus Smith may not have been an 'Avenger girl' in the way with think of Avenger girls today and she may have preferred karaoke to karate, so perhaps she can be thought of as a proto-Avenger girl - along with Carol Wilson, who also didn't climb into leather and get involved in the fights.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have dissmissed her as an Avenger girl in the past, but when I heard Julie's smashing commentary - and she the fact that she considers herself an Avenger girl - I thought, as Darren has said: She WAS in The Avengers. She DID get a star billing. She WAS a girl, therefore ...

Venus Smith may not have been an 'Avenger girl' in the way with think of Avenger girls today and she may have preferred karaoke to karate, so perhaps she can be thought of as a proto-Avenger girl - along with Carol Wilson, who also didn't climb into leather and get involved in the fights.


Exactly. I think of Carol as a sort of Avengers girl prototype. I wish we had more of her episodes--she actually handles herself pretty well in Girl On the Trapeze, and goes along with Steed's plots in The Frighteners. Sometimes she played a pretty large role in assignments, from what I've read. I suppose that makes the original Avengers format two men and a woman...Funny, that sounds familiar. Wink

I think it also helps to remember that Venus was "taken out of context" as it were. She was conceived as a character for the Keel episodes, when Steed and Keel could slouch around smoking in seedy nightclubs, and knowing the nightclub singer would probably come in handy for gathering intel from other patrons. The show sort of out-evolved her before she even had a chance, which is probably why she doesn't satisfy as a true "partner"--she was supposed to have Keel there to share the load.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Exactly. I think of Carol as a sort of Avengers girl prototype. I wish we had more of her episodes--she actually handles herself pretty well in Girl On the Trapeze, and goes along with Steed's plots in The Frighteners. Sometimes she played a pretty large role in assignments, from what I've read. I suppose that makes the original Avengers format two men and a woman...Funny, that sounds familiar. Wink


Sadly, Carol plays a very small part in three of the four episodes I've reconstructed to date, with only Double Danger seeing her getting involved to any real degree beyond "we need a nurse".
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Exactly. I think of Carol as a sort of Avengers girl prototype. I wish we had more of her episodes--she actually handles herself pretty well in Girl On the Trapeze, and goes along with Steed's plots in The Frighteners. Sometimes she played a pretty large role in assignments, from what I've read. I suppose that makes the original Avengers format two men and a woman...Funny, that sounds familiar. Wink


Sadly, Carol plays a very small part in three of the four episodes I've reconstructed to date, with only Double Danger seeing her getting involved to any real degree beyond "we need a nurse".


She must have had a larger part in a few of the stories. She goes undercover in Ashes of Roses, doesn't she? If she didn't have a bigger part, more's the pity.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, the other thing to consider is that as the telesnaps cover approximately the last half of the season, the reconstructions are coming from later episodes (so far, all post-Frighteners). It could be seen as evidence that the character got marginalised over time. I'm not overly familiar (yet!) with the remaining Series 1 missing episodes, so I'm hoping to discover episodes where she is in the thick of it, as in Girl on the Trapeze.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Of course, the other thing to consider is that as the telesnaps cover approximately the last half of the season, the reconstructions are coming from later episodes (so far, all post-Frighteners). It could be seen as evidence that the character got marginalised over time. I'm not overly familiar (yet!) with the remaining Series 1 missing episodes, so I'm hoping to discover episodes where she is in the thick of it, as in Girl on the Trapeze.


That's entirely possible. It's great you're doing these reconstructions, Alan. It gives us a real look-in to the neglected first season. I'd love to see more of what they did with Carol--keep it up! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dandy Forsdyke wrote:
Well, I'm not dissing her. My 'grabs popcorn' smiley was only there because we'd covered this topic before

I see it now (if this is it) Venus Smith : Partner or not ?

With the first Optimum DVD it is interesting to be able to find out how Julie Stevens feels about being in The Avengers.
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It's great you're doing these reconstructions, Alan. It gives us a real look-in to the neglected first season. I'd love to see more of what they did with Carol--keep it up! Very Happy


I hope that I can (along with the others who are helping out with them). It all depends on getting scripts and photographs.

I'll be very interested to hear your reaction when you see the first recons.
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Alan wrote:
Timeless A-Peel wrote:
It's great you're doing these reconstructions, Alan. It gives us a real look-in to the neglected first season. I'd love to see more of what they did with Carol--keep it up! Very Happy


I hope that I can (along with the others who are helping out with them). It all depends on getting scripts and photographs.

I'll be very interested to hear your reaction when you see the first recons.


It's going to be like seeing fresh episodes. I can't wait. Very Happy
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Timeless A-Peel wrote:
Alan wrote:
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Exactly. I think of Carol as a sort of Avengers girl prototype. I wish we had more of her episodes--she actually handles herself pretty well in Girl On the Trapeze, and goes along with Steed's plots in The Frighteners. Sometimes she played a pretty large role in assignments, from what I've read. I suppose that makes the original Avengers format two men and a woman...Funny, that sounds familiar. Wink


Sadly, Carol plays a very small part in three of the four episodes I've reconstructed to date, with only Double Danger seeing her getting involved to any real degree beyond "we need a nurse".


She must have had a larger part in a few of the stories. She goes undercover in Ashes of Roses, doesn't she? If she didn't have a bigger part, more's the pity.


Presumably the nurse who accompanies Dr King in "Mission To Montreal" would have been Carol Wilson in the original script, accompanying Dr Keel?
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Alan wrote:
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Exactly. I think of Carol as a sort of Avengers girl prototype. I wish we had more of her episodes--she actually handles herself pretty well in Girl On the Trapeze, and goes along with Steed's plots in The Frighteners. Sometimes she played a pretty large role in assignments, from what I've read. I suppose that makes the original Avengers format two men and a woman...Funny, that sounds familiar. Wink


Sadly, Carol plays a very small part in three of the four episodes I've reconstructed to date, with only Double Danger seeing her getting involved to any real degree beyond "we need a nurse".


She must have had a larger part in a few of the stories. She goes undercover in Ashes of Roses, doesn't she? If she didn't have a bigger part, more's the pity.


Presumably the nurse who accompanies Dr King in "Mission To Montreal" would have been Carol Wilson in the original script, accompanying Dr Keel?


Probably. Judy pops up in another King episode, too, so it's safe to say she was a Carol substitute.
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That's what I've always been lead to believe. The Dr King stories were Dr Keel stories with the names changed.
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