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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Elizabeth Sheperd Reply with quote

I wonder what everyone thinks of the DVD Bonus Material with the Sheperd interview. She certainly was an attractive actress and came across as a pleasant woman for her interview.

What I was struck with was the question where they asked her what her vision was for the Emma Peel character. I was a bit surprised with her answer which to be frank seemed a bit out of tune. She was asked what to do with her long hair during fight scenes and she suggested cutting it longer on one side than the other and thought it would create a fashion craze. Or have a wig she puts on for fight scenes Question

I guess that would be like wonder woman from the 70's. But her responses seemed a bit odd or out of place. I do think it was lovely of her to do the interview. I also wondered why they left one scene of her hands from the episode she filmed. What did everyone else think?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't dug into my DVD extras yet, so haven't seen the interview, but the reason her hands pop up is unquestionably because they were trying to limit reshooting as much as possible. Anything they could recycle would have been salvaged.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I haven't dug into my DVD extras yet, so haven't seen the interview, but the reason her hands pop up is unquestionably because they were trying to limit reshooting as much as possible. Anything they could recycle would have been salvaged.
Wow that is really trying to salvage with a few seconds worth of material!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Elizabeth Sheperd Reply with quote

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I wonder what everyone thinks of the DVD Bonus Material with the Sheperd interview. She certainly was an attractive actress and came across as a pleasant woman for her interview.

What I was struck with was the question where they asked her what her vision was for the Emma Peel character. I was a bit surprised with her answer which to be frank seemed a bit out of tune. She was asked what to do with her long hair during fight scenes and she suggested cutting it longer on one side than the other and thought it would create a fashion craze. Or have a wig she puts on for fight scenes Question

I guess that would be like wonder woman from the 70's. But her responses seemed a bit odd or out of place. I do think it was lovely of her to do the interview. I also wondered why they left one scene of her hands from the episode she filmed. What did everyone else think?


good insight on an ill fated choice...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Timeless A-Peel wrote:
I haven't dug into my DVD extras yet, so haven't seen the interview, but the reason her hands pop up is unquestionably because they were trying to limit reshooting as much as possible. Anything they could recycle would have been salvaged.
Wow that is really trying to salvage with a few seconds worth of material!


Money's money. It's always a stretch to stay within budget, so if you could use it, why waste it? They likely didn't even notice that Diana was wearing gloves in the scene when they edited it together. It took me a few watches to catch it myself! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose she could have taken off the gloves when she pointed but it just doesn't look like her hands. But i did not notice that until it was pointed out.
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I suppose she could have taken off the gloves when she pointed but it just doesn't look like her hands. But i did not notice that until it was pointed out.


She doesn't--she's wearing them when they cut to the book, and when they cut back again. And it's definitely not Diana's hands--the nails are even painted. Of course, it could just as easily not be Elizabeth's hand--they often use someone else's to double for them in shots like that--but either way, it's definitely not Diana's.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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anti-clockwise wrote:
I suppose she could have taken off the gloves when she pointed but it just doesn't look like her hands. But i did not notice that until it was pointed out.


She doesn't--she's wearing them when they cut to the book, and when they cut back again. And it's definitely not Diana's hands--the nails are even painted. Of course, it could just as easily not be Elizabeth's hand--they often use someone else's to double for them in shots like that--but either way, it's definitely not Diana's.
I just saw the episode and it really did look out of place. But like you said if you're not looking for it it passes by rather quickly.
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Timeless A-Peel wrote:
anti-clockwise wrote:
I suppose she could have taken off the gloves when she pointed but it just doesn't look like her hands. But i did not notice that until it was pointed out.


She doesn't--she's wearing them when they cut to the book, and when they cut back again. And it's definitely not Diana's hands--the nails are even painted. Of course, it could just as easily not be Elizabeth's hand--they often use someone else's to double for them in shots like that--but either way, it's definitely not Diana's.



stunt hands ? and yeah, it's not her hands...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An actor completely changing between shots isn't unusual in The Town of No Return. Patrick Newell changes to a totally different actor during the chase scene.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title is misspelt : it is Shepherd, isn't it ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An actor completely changing between shots isn't unusual in The Town of No Return. Patrick Newell changes to a totally different actor during the chase scene.


happened alot with the show...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw Shepherd in The Tomb of Ligeia not that long ago (opposite Vincent Price, no less!). While I'm glad that they ultimately turned around and went with Diana, who made Emma Peel iconic, I began wondering how Shepherd would have played the part. She has a very different vibe as an actress, but I imagine she and Macnee would have had interesting chemistry. I'd still love to see her version of Town of No Return.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timeless A-Peel wrote:
I haven't dug into my DVD extras yet, so haven't seen the interview, but the reason her hands pop up is unquestionably because they were trying to limit reshooting as much as possible. Anything they could recycle would have been salvaged.


exactly....limit losses, etc...and shooting is time and money!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can probably tell from "The Corridor People" how Shepherd played it.

The fact that the famously co-star supporting Macnee failed to save her tell a story in itself. Though hearing face-to-face from Peter Graham Scott what went on - there's no way she could have continued.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw her in a episode of Danger Man playing an initially innocent German lady who turns out to be the baddie. There's something about Avengers ladies that they can get cast as the baddies as well as the heroine. All of them have played nasty roles. I suppose it's an inner steel that they have that can work for either good or bad.

Shepherd is an actor with a very strong presence. She's the one you remember from The Corridor People (whatever that show's about!!!!). Macnee just works brilliantly with women so I'm sure they would have had great chemistry on screen regardless of what was going on behind the scenes.

I so want the original footage to show up (that guy who has that 15th generation silent footage - it must have come from somewhere) to see Peter Graham Scott's direction would be great as well - to compare it to Roy Ward Baker's.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren wrote:
I saw her in a episode of Danger Man playing an initially innocent German lady who turns out to be the baddie. There's something about Avengers ladies that they can get cast as the baddies as well as the heroine. All of them have played nasty roles. I suppose it's an inner steel that they have that can work for either good or bad.

Shepherd is an actor with a very strong presence. She's the one you remember from The Corridor People (whatever that show's about!!!!). Macnee just works brilliantly with women so I'm sure they would have had great chemistry on screen regardless of what was going on behind the scenes.

I so want the original footage to show up (that guy who has that 15th generation silent footage - it must have come from somewhere) to see Peter Graham Scott's direction would be great as well - to compare it to Roy Ward Baker's.


Darren

This is news to me, a 15th generation copy of Elizabeth Shepherd on footage from the original shoot of The Town of No Return... do please tell us more.

I believe that the Elizabeth Shepherd master print/negative featuring Shepherd originally filmed for the episode The Town of No Return was disposed of and that the current copyright holder of The Avengers, StudioCanal do not possess a copy in their archive. I also believe that only a small circle of people in ABC Television and Telemen ever saw this footage. I have spoken and exchanged emails with both Brian Clemens and Brian Tesler, who inform me that they have no knowledge of its whereabouts. The only other person who might have seen this is Roger Marshall, although I cannot confirm this. Unfortunately, the other people who must have seen this, Howard Thomas, Julian Wintle, Albert Fennell, Gordon L.T. Scott, Roy Ward Baker and Peter Graham Scott are all deceased.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can probably tell from "The Corridor People" how Shepherd played it.

The fact that the famously co-star supporting Macnee failed to save her tell a story in itself. Though hearing face-to-face from Peter Graham Scott what went on - there's no way she could have continued.


now that would have been an interesting tale...and take ..
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeR wrote:
Darren wrote:
I saw her in a episode of Danger Man playing an initially innocent German lady who turns out to be the baddie. There's something about Avengers ladies that they can get cast as the baddies as well as the heroine. All of them have played nasty roles. I suppose it's an inner steel that they have that can work for either good or bad.

Shepherd is an actor with a very strong presence. She's the one you remember from The Corridor People (whatever that show's about!!!!). Macnee just works brilliantly with women so I'm sure they would have had great chemistry on screen regardless of what was going on behind the scenes.

I so want the original footage to show up (that guy who has that 15th generation silent footage - it must have come from somewhere) to see Peter Graham Scott's direction would be great as well - to compare it to Roy Ward Baker's.


Darren

This is news to me, a 15th generation copy of Elizabeth Shepherd on footage from the original shoot of The Town of No Return... do please tell us more.

I believe that the Elizabeth Shepherd master print/negative featuring Shepherd originally filmed for the episode The Town of No Return was disposed of and that the current copyright holder of The Avengers, StudioCanal do not possess a copy in their archive. I also believe that only a small circle of people in ABC Television and Telemen ever saw this footage. I have spoken and exchanged emails with both Brian Clemens and Brian Tesler, who inform me that they have no knowledge of its whereabouts. The only other person who might have seen this is Roger Marshall, although I cannot confirm this. Unfortunately, the other people who must have seen this, Howard Thomas, Julian Wintle, Albert Fennell, Gordon L.T. Scott, Roy Ward Baker and Peter Graham Scott are all deceased.


From what I recall there's a guy who owns an audio recording of season one episode Tunnel of Fear and he also allegedly has some silent very poor quality footage of a scene of Shepherd's Emma tied up in the blacksmiths. He wasn't prepared to share it for the DVDs but will let anyone have a look if they want - don't know if anyone has ever taken him up on it. Though thinking about it is could be a case of cross-wires as we know a lot of photos from the blacksmith sequence exist.

There are probably some posts somewhere on the forum talking about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Lhbizness"]I saw Shepherd in The Tomb of Ligeia not that long ago (opposite Vincent Price, no less!). While I'm glad that they ultimately turned around and went with Diana, who made Emma Peel iconic, I began wondering how Shepherd would have played the part. She has a very different vibe as an actress, but I imagine she and Macnee would have had interesting chemistry. I'd still love to see her version of Town of No Return.[/quote

same here..I don't think footages exist..or do they ? I can't seem to remember...


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